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I am 3.0 rated and I clocked just over 110mph radar. I'm also 5'7" and 145lbs. It's all technique.
Kudos! And stupid me agrees with you and envies you at 6'2" and 225lbs (blah need to lose at least 10lbs).
I am 3.0 rated and I clocked just over 110mph radar. I'm also 5'7" and 145lbs. It's all technique.
Who cares about "average"?
"Average" is a mixture of safe serves, tentative serves, spin serves, and slower serves to set up your faster serves.
Dimcorner can indeed serve over 100.
Some guys have live arms, he's one of them.
He already clarified, the 110 was a parlor trick in a fastest serve event. Its nothing like a real serve in a real match. he is estimating in a real match he would be "in the 90s". Tennis is about averages, its a percentage game. The only serve that matters is the one you can win with.
I have been around the block a bunch of times. Everyone overestimates their match worthy serves. Like I have said several times, if he were in a real competitive match, his '100 mph serves' would very likely be accurately measured to average in the 80s.
There's a big difference between what somebody can hit and what their match speed is. For me, it can be up to 30 mph, just on first serves.
Of course, because even if the players are evenly matched, and suppose serving allows no advantage, (not an unreasonable assumption at this level), mathematics says that one out of 32 sets will be a bagel for one player simply by chance.Can a top tier National level 3.0 bagel a 2.5?
Should Basalt be banned from the sport? Does it give an unfair advantage to unscrupulous players? What if they made Basalt baseball bats? Would George Brett get busted again? These are a sampling of the horribly wrong things I am thinking about today.
If by not that many you mean none I'll agree You have a nice serve but I simply am not ready to believe any 3.0 has a 110 mph serve. None. The technique required for that speed is simply beyond that of a new player....I dunno about another, but I don't think there are that many.
I totally agree, if you have time to take even a shortened swing, the serve is not over 100.
But what about this? I've served to some 5.0's and 4.5's who stand one foot behind the baseline, and chip the return, or block it, off my first flat serves.
Abba of former Harvard No.2 singles did the same, he did not try a shortened groundie off my fastest serves.
Now, assuming, that word again, that most players today would rather hit groundies than volleys with a continental grip, why do you suspect those player's chip and block my fastest serves? They do try somewhat shortened groundie strokes off my second serves.
Of course it's about me, I"m posting and agreeing with a fellow TW poster, using an example from my EXPERIENCE to reinforce his thread.
Everything I know is about ME, because it's what I recall that counts, not something I heard or read about.
Me, me me me.
You know, YOU only post about ME ME ME, so why shouldn't I post about me?
At least 2/3rds of YOUR posts are about ME ME ME.
YOU never talk about tennis! You hardly ever answer about any tennis tips and instruction.
All YOU do is snipe and whine like a little girl.
I answer lots of posts, besides your whining posts about me.
I give good advice more often than I answer your whinny posts.
And of course, I often give advice that the OP would not understand, but I have played tennis longer than most of yous, and have played competitive sports longer than almost all of yous.
You don't know Papa or Shroud. You lie instead.
Can your swear you have contacted either? NOPE, you lie.
Do you want to get married?
Your obsession with me is beyond understanding.
You lie constantly, and yet you accuse me of stretching some facts.
You haven't ever communicated with either Shroud or PapaMango.
LeeD would crush younger 4.0s on the rise based on his experience on the court and the ttw forum.
Is this before or after sureshs revealed the secret to serving fast?
arche3 vs LeeD is the best rivalry around these days. I think arche3 is asian-american too, am I correct? Maybe he is trying to usurp Lee's position as the best older asian tennis player on these boards.
Take a guy like Filippo Volandri. High of 25 in world. The guy will average under 100 firsts in a match; only occasionally breaking 110. 3.0's are not hitting 110's during a match. No way; no how.There are NO top 100 ATP players who can't serve over 110. Even DonaldYoung, Somedev, on old Rochus/Barrasetchi have serve much faster AT TIMES!
You read an "average", like Connors or Mac, and think that's their fastest serve. It is NOT. Mac can serve into the 120's, as can Connors and Agassi, even though their match "average" is 107 or so.
LeeD goats on ttw forum due to lefty dominant typing.LeeD would crush younger 4.0s on the rise based on his experience on the court and the ttw forum.
Whatever major loser.
I post in response to your boasting because your annoying. And frankly you ruin ttw.
Maybe go in your van and go wind surfing for awhile and leave ttw to tennis players.
Actually, I'd say you're much closer to ruining ttw than LeeD is. Who caused the thread to deraill, Lee or you? At least he's trying to help. You're just trying to argue.
You know, YOU only post about ME ME ME, so why shouldn't I post about me?
At least 2/3rds of YOUR posts are about ME ME ME.
I don't believe anyone here is AVERAGING anything in triple figures IN A MATCH and LANDING IN THE SERVICE BOX.
A one-off serve during solo practice, maybe. But averages in matchplay? Not likely.
If I had never come on this forum I would have guessed my serve to be appox 1/2 the speed of a pro. So maybe 60mph.
I don't believe anyone here is AVERAGING anything in triple figures IN A MATCH and LANDING IN THE SERVICE BOX.
A one-off serve during solo practice, maybe. But averages in matchplay? Not likely.
The stats for pros are AVERAGES in a pressure filled situation.
Who cares about "average"?
"Average" is a mixture of safe serves, tentative serves, spin serves, and slower serves to set up your faster serves.
Dimcorner can indeed serve over 100.
Some guys have live arms, he's one of them.
Leed: It's not chance...
It's the normal ups and downs, call it what you want, of everything in life.
We cannot produce our best days time after time.
We also cannot produce our worse days every time.
That accounts for 6-1, 1-6, 6-1 scores in tennis.
And why the Pacers, Heat, and Spurs can lose to bad teams.
Yes im the downfall of ttw. Are you one of the guys that vouch for leeD? LeeD caused the derail by turning this thread to his fantasy tennis exploits. I just called him on it. But its fine if you don't agree. Considering I post only a few times a week I don't see how I can possibly ruin ttw. LeeD does have little groupies like you so I understand your concern.
Some people get fooled by big words like top spin and lefty twist. Its ok if your enamored by the spell of leeD. Maybe you guys can practice together to beat the bryan brothers in doubles.
Don't start arguments with me and I won't argue with you.
So if I don't like how you follow LeeD around and try to argue with him in every thread that makes me his "groupie?" Talk about a jump in logic.
This has nothing to do with LeeD's claims. The point is that you try to turn every thread into a "Bash LeeD" fest. Like his posts or not, Lee's are ON TOPIC. Your posts almost never are.
You're seriously delusional if you think LeeD speaking on the topic in a way that you find annoying is derailing the thread more than you blatantly changing the topic.
So, yes, you "calling Lee out" on every other thread makes you more likely to ruin the board than LeeD.
Oh, and before you imply that I am "fooled by big words," you might want to brush up on your usage of "your" and "you're" and "its" and It's."
Tried a Becker grip flat first serve today. Continental with a slight twists towards eForehand.
I'd been having trouble with the wide out duece court flat serve, using my normal conti grip. Me lefty.
What a revelation! Must have got 60% IN, most going past the startled or diving returner. And all the misses were net cords or close calls OUT by less than a foot.
I guess there's a time for slice serves, a time for weirdo grip serves, and a time for twist serves.
Just hard to find the right time for which....