BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
You can't compare to last year since he had a back injury for almost all of last year. This year, he's injury free.
Thoughts on Fed's racquet
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robok9
Semi-Pro
Compare to the 2013 AO. He didn't appear to be injured there.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
I'm not so sure 2013 AO is such a good comparison point. Federer has had a back injury since 2012 Wimbledon. Remember the MTO during the 4th Round match against Malisse, which he left the court and came back with a black compression undershirt underneath his white polio shirt and which he wore for every match afterwards to keep his back warm?
Also, his first serve used to average around 120mph with the 90 but now is down to around 115mph with the new 97.
Richie Rich
Legend
sure, i remember that. just like it was yesterday. dear oh dear.......
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLq9w-ignYs
Yup, the commentators couldn't stop talking about his black undershirt during every match afterwards.
Lilguy1456
Semi-Pro
BP is just butt-hurt that the last real mid user has finally seen the light. A sad time for BreakPoint.
SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
I dislike the way you phrase that. By the way, Dimitrov still uses a 93" mid and he is one of the "young guns".
Midplus racquets are not some kind of god-sent miracle that automatically improves one's game to an incredible extent.
It only is unusual for pros to be using mids nowadays as they no longer grow up with them. The juniors pushed towards professional tennis start from a young age onwards with mid plus racquets (obviously because they cannot handle mids at their age) and then they continue playing with what they are accustomed to. Pretty simple and nothing to do with superiority or inferiority of one or the other.
Vcore89
Talk Tennis Guru
Still lots of young 'uns playing with the 90s, specifically PS90 2014 and previous iterations although I must admit they also have inside their bag--larger racquets!
I myself isn't inclined to make the switch for bigger and more powerful (and much stiffer; 70 RA) racquet.
Sander001
Hall of Fame
lol
Heh, wait until you find out up to what size BreakPoint considers is a midsized racquet. (Hint: it's less than 93sq") :mrgreen:
robok9
Semi-Pro
where are you getting this chart from???
robok9
Semi-Pro
I cannot confirm nor deny that stat, but speed is not the only determining factor for the serve. I'd say look at the following stats:
-Aces
-Unreturned serves
-1st serve % in
Overall, this year he wins way more free points on his serve than he used to. Honestly, there is almost no arguing that point. (but I know you will certainly try)
Vcore89
Talk Tennis Guru
Just havin' fun AND because I really attests to the more control oriented racquets as opposed to the powerful ones. Supplying ones own power still reigns supreme in my book.
Nothing more.
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rh310
Hall of Fame
Actually, Fed did go back to the 90 at the end of 2013. Then he went back to the 97 and has stuck with it since.
What sensible person here would presume to know better than him what is best for his game at this point?
And why argue with someone who's only interested in racking up an "I got no life" metric like a big post count? Just leave the donkey to its meadow.
What sensible person here would presume to know better than him what is best for his game at this point?
And why argue with someone who's only interested in racking up an "I got no life" metric like a big post count? Just leave the donkey to its meadow.
Sander001
Hall of Fame
Sure you don't have that mixed up?
Edit: his 1st serve speed in 2013 Wimbledon was 111mph. 2014 seems to be higher, lowest one I could see was 114mph with a number of matches averaging 115mph.
Even his win in 2012 had his first serve only at 116mph in the final.
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West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
And doesn't matter and is hardly a great test. Young Fed w good back and younger shoulder versus early 30's, already had back issues and probably worried about a relapse. That's our @bp...
Sander001
Hall of Fame
Definitely. Also, I remember a year or two ago ESPN crew were saying that Serena had a higher speed average than Murray and how amazing she was etc. But then cooler heads prevailed concluding that Murray had much more energy in his serve, just that the spin makes it seem slower on the radar device because it measures speed in a straight line.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Do you have any actual numbers to back up your claim?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
No, I do not. Go back to before he had back pain (prior to 2012) and you'll see that he used to average around 120mph on his first serves.
Even when he last played Djokovic at Wimbledon in 2012, he averaged 119mph on his first serves despite back pain and having to wear a black compression undershirt underneath his white polo shirt. In the final this year with no back pain, his first serves averaged only 115mph using the bigger racquet.
Heck, when he beat Djokovic at the French Open in 2011, Federer's first serves averaged 122.5mph.
Sander001
Hall of Fame
Ok I see. His drop in mph is attributed to his back, not his racquet.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Huh? Did you read my post?
In 2012, WITH SEVERE BACK PAIN, he averaged 119mph against Djokovic with his Tour 90.
In 2014, WITH NO BACK PAIN, he averaged only 115mph against Djokovic with his new RF97.
In 2011, WITH NO BACK PAIN, he averaged 122.5mph against Djokovic with his Tour 90.
Sure seems to me he serves faster with the Tour 90 than with the RF97.
SublimeTennis
Professional
It has only hurt his best shot, forehand. With his 97 his forehand now is a lot of topspin, giving better consistency but slowing the pace down. This is simply fact and has been documented. In the past his forehand was like a ball being shot out of a cannon, in addition you couldn't read it, now you can.
Everything else, backhand, serve have all got better, so it's a trade off.
Personally I have switched back, after trying everything, to my 90. Aero 100, Blade 98, 6.1 95, all great racquets, but for me I just don't like doing the topspin all the time game. With my 90, yes, I hit off center once in awhile, but my accuracy is insane (Sorry, wrong section)
Sander001
Hall of Fame
I'm certain it does. You've been deluded by your midsize racquet agenda for many years so trying to convince others by expecting people to believe in amazing coincidences and cherry picking stats only serves to demonstrate the loneliness of that delusion.
Blitzball
Professional
Does it really matter how much faster or slower his shots are? He's playing great tennis right? Sure, some of you might not attribute his recent success to the racquet switch, but Federer does to an extent. By downplaying the impact of the switch, you're essentially telling Federer that he is wrong.
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BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Huh? I chose the two most recent Slam matches between Federer and Djokovic and one before Federer had back pain to show the difference.
Why is it so hard to believe that Federer can serve well with a Mid? That was his biggest weapon over the past 15 years. Heck, even the best server of all time used a 85 sq. in. Mid.
And there have been many others on this board who have been saying over the past week that Federer used to serve faster with his Tour 90.
Richie Rich
Legend
scary that a persons life hinges on a 3 or 4 mph difference in federer's serve speed between different racquets.
arche3
Banned
Also keep in mind 7.7 is actually 8 If your an engineer. If your a normal person 7.7 is 7.7. you would think an engineer would be more precise and describe 7.7 as 7.7 and not round up to 8. Like I am glad Boeing doesn't just round up the size of their screws that hold the engine on the plane. Can you see the mechanic... we are out of 12 mm bolts. BP the engineer answers: no worry. Round it up to 14 mm. It's fine. I'm am engineer. It won't slip off really.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Um...isn't the topic of this thread the differences in Federer's play using the two different racquets? And when discussing the differences in serve speed, shouldn't the differences in serve speed be discussed?
Scary that a person's life hinges on making snide remarks about me. :???:
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
No, not really. serve speed did not change but MORE ACES and MORE holding SERVICE games easily than before is what matters for Federer. he is holding easy to conserve energy and spend more energy to break serve. That is why he is playing so much better.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
And who said 7.7 is not 7.7? Oh you did! Because you can't do math and said 7.7 is 7, just like the guy who wrote that article.
Besides, 7/90 is 7.8, not 7.7. But you wouldn't know that either. 7/90 = 7.778 or 7.78 or 7.8 or 8 depending on how many decimal places you want to use. But as a whole number it is never 7, like you think it is. I guess you failed 4th grade math.
Richie Rich
Legend
LOL. I wouldn't say my life hinges on making snide remarks about anyone. why did you think my post was about you? I didn't mention anybody's name. but there is one poster who will argue with anyone, with such great vigor and vitriol, about such small things that are totally irrelevant to a normal persons every day life that it's really quite sad.
arche3
Banned
And who said 7.7 is not 7.7? Oh you did! Because you can't do math and said 7.7 is 7, just like the guy who wrote that article.
Besides, 7/90 is 7.8, not 7.7. But you wouldn't know that either. 7/90 = 7.778 or 7.78 or 7.8 or 8 depending on how many decimal places you want to use. But as a whole number it is never 7, like you think it is. I guess you failed 4th grade math.
Actually I said 7.7 is 7.7. Lol.. you argue with so many people you can't keep track.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Does it matter? You made a snide comment about SOMEONE, didn't you? And they are usually about me, aren't they? Or are you going to lie and deny it?
FYI, being on this board at all, as you are, is to read and discuss - "about such small things that are totally irrelevant to a normal person's every day life that it's really quite sad".
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
No, you didn't. You said:
And everyone here knows that you're not "normal". Besides, normal people are smart enough to know the difference between "your" and you're", especially after just being told as such.
BTW, 7.7 is only 7.7 when we're not talking about whole numbers. As a whole number, it's 8 and not 7. The article used only whole numbers. But then you probably don't know what a whole number is.
worldtennis
New User
Pretty sure he's got such things as what racquet he should be playing with or not under control. Pretty sure if he felt it was a debilitating factor he'd make the switch. Pretty sure it's not the racquet
Richie Rich
Legend
Does it matter? You made a snide comment about SOMEONE, didn't you? And they are usually about me, aren't they? Or are you going to lie and deny it?
FYI, being on this board at all, as you are, is to read and discuss - "about such small things that are totally irrelevant to a normal person's every day life that it's really quite sad".
maybe they are about you, maybe they are not. most people will be able to figure it out. what does your heart tell you? there are not too many people with normal every day lives that have 10+ posts a day for over 10 years on an internet message board. most people with other responsibilities just don't have the time. but some people have the time to argue about trivial and insignificant things, with such conviction, that it's clear there is something missing. there seems to be one person like that on every message board (who just has to be right no matter what), and it's a shame.
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arche3
Banned
No, you didn't. You said:
And everyone here knows that you're not "normal". Besides, normal people are smart enough to know the difference between "your" and you're", especially after just being told as such.
BTW, 7.7 is only 7.7 when we're not talking about whole numbers. As a whole number, it's 8 and not 7. The article used only whole numbers. But then you probably don't know what a whole number is.
ha ha. Calm down rufus. Your raging and harping on spelling again. Didn't I tell you only morons do that on Internet forums? It has nothing to do with whatever article. Just the fact you said 7.7 was 8. Well genius. It's not.
And yeah I didn't say anything about 7. Just that your so stupid you thought 7.7 is actually 8. Well 7.7 is 7.7 peanut.
arche3
Banned
Bud
Bionic Poster
What is the difference in static weight/SW on the new frame versus the 90?
i watched some videos of federer playing with his new racquet and his old racquet. it may be true he gets more stick and precision with his smaller head, but i think he realizes its getting too demanding to compete day in and day out as hes getting older and there is less margin for error with that smaller head. also considering his age, his results seem to be equal or better compared to his old frame imo..
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
No, but they do exactly what you're doing on an Internet forum, and also don't know the difference between "your" and "you're".
And thanks for confirming you have no idea what a whole number is.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
aimr75
Hall of Fame
I dont think P1 discloses any info about their clients frames
arche3
Banned
No, but they do exactly what you're doing on an Internet forum, and also don't know the difference between "your" and "you're".
And thanks for confirming you have no idea what a whole number is.
I know what your and you're means. It's just funny watching you correct my spelling like a little dog. Youz understand me?
apparently youz under the assumption a whole number is a big deal. 4th grade math? is the reason you think a whole number is a big deal because youz only completed 4th grade math and are showing off?
Dedans Penthouse
Legend
You rang? ;-)
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