DAVIS CUP 2014 FINAL (21-23 Nov): France vs Switzerland

tipsa...don'tlikehim! · Nov 21, 2014

Marty Cintron said:
So not Benneteau tomorrow?

Actually now bookmakers say Benneteau/Gasquet vs Lammer/Chiudinelli
But it doesn't mean anything, I would be very surprised if Lammer/Chiudinelli is the swiss pair tomorrow.
Benneteau? Maybe... that said, Tsonga has a big ego, won't be surprised if he wants to play with Gasquet

I want Benneteau though.

Anyway, if France wins the doubles they win the final, no way Tsonga doesn't beat Federer if Monfils did so easily.

heninfan99 · Nov 21, 2014

Benneteau is in from good Twitter source.

heninfan99 · Nov 21, 2014

YES WE KNOW. You clearly don't udnerstand what a ;-) means. The Swiss are stained with French ejaculations of culture.

gavna said:
Federers French is perfect - you do know Basel is like 5km from the French border. The airport is shared with Mulhouse, France and 1:2 the airport is in France and the other in Suisse - there is a line painted in the middle of the terminal marking the border.

Many many in Basel speak French - TV, Radio and Newspapers are printed in both French / SuisseGerman

tipsa...don'tlikehim! · Nov 21, 2014

If you missed the match, its on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWibpu3UINY

(before it gets deleted)

MaiDee · Nov 21, 2014

dh003i said:
No one said you can't cheer for whoever you want, just that your reasons are idiotic and the players you're cheering for are clowns.

You are very annoying.
1. you bring politics in this discussion
2. why are you so aggressive towards other posters?
3. who are you to decided about other people reasons?
4. probably you want us all, to cheer for your favorite player!

All above in one word: you are clown.

slice bh compliment · Nov 21, 2014

RF20Lennon said:
The beautiful thing about tennis is that you can be from anywhere and support anyone else because of the player's style, personality and appeal. It doesn't matter where anyone's from. Tennis is about break international boundaries. Davis Cup takes that away. It makes it all about countries again rather than people supporting what they like.

Nice. ^This^ post is a lot less dramatic than your post out how dc destroys what tennis is about.
This is beautiful about tennis, yes. It is what tennis stands for....for you. Cool.

For me, davis cup does not destroy a thing. It is uplifting for me. I Often go to ties.

I personally can separate the two (atp, davis cup). I can also separate college tennis, my own tennis, the tennis of my kids, etc.

I am an american who likes tsonga, richie, stan, rog and baghdatis wayyy more than sock, isner, ginepri, querrey, blake, roddick, fishy, dre, pete, bg, arias, chang, jimmy and mac.

Davis cup has not destroyed a thing for most of my tennis friends, either. Sorry it is destructive for you.

heninfan99 · Nov 21, 2014

Was/is the poll still open? I noticed it ticked up by 2 for France. lol

Canis Lupus · Nov 21, 2014

RF20Lennon said:
The beautiful thing about tennis is that you can be from anywhere and support anyone else because of the player's style, personality and appeal. It doesn't matter where anyone's from. Tennis is about break international boundaries. Davis Cup takes that away. It makes it all about countries again rather than people supporting what they like.

I'd echo these sentiments. I cringe on occasions at the nationalistic behavior of crowds at tournaments where players are not playing for their country but themselves. I'm not referring to the natural support which generally followers a local player, but the flag waving and stupid nationalistic support chants.

Davis Cup is a little different, however, given that nationalistic nonsense is already over the top at some matches where players are competing for themselves, those same nationalistic idiots take it to even further extremes during Davis Cup. I have been appalled and ashamed at Australian crowd's behavior at times during Davis Cup. Very ungracious.

Nostradamus · Nov 21, 2014

has it been confirmed yet definitely who is playing tomorrow in doubles ?

urundai · Nov 21, 2014

Nostradamus said:
has it been confirmed yet definitely who is playing tomorrow in doubles ?

It doesn't need to be decided till an hour before the tie. So, expect both coaches to play it close to chest until the end.

Chanwan · Nov 21, 2014

InvisibleSoul said:
Nope, I'm calling you (Vero) out for this too. There could be 10 perfectly valid arguments made, and because you have no good rebuttals for them, you just ignore them and maybe nitpick one thing out of the post that you can argue against.

Cheers. Sadly, it's quite a common tactic by quite a few posters.

sdont · Nov 21, 2014

I really hope it will be decided by the Monfils-Wawrinka 5th rubber.

H2H is 2-2. Never played on clay. Could be a real thriller.

Chanwan · Nov 21, 2014

tipsa...don'tlikehim! said:
Rumours say the doubles will be Tsonga-Gasquet vs Fed-Stan

I would like to see that one - could be a stunner! And congrats on Le Monf today!

La Grande said:
"How much of that is down to his back injury?"
Mats Wilander "I think NONE!"

Lol!, Mats is quite a good commentator, but he really, really dislikes Fed for whatever reason. Maybe because Fed's game is the complete opposite to Wilander's own?

tipsa...don'tlikehim! said:
yyyyyeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

If I could put my monetary interest over my cheering for Fed, I could have been a rich man today - 3.00 return on Monfils victory ;-). Hope you earned a bit

Carsomyr said:
You're right. Hating on Fed is just an added bonus!

;-)

@Gary, Urundai
sad that it needed this match for you to be completely convinced about Sunday, but glad that you are now. Hoping for a GOATING Stan all weekend and that the Swiss can somehow win the doubles tmr.

heninfan99 · Nov 21, 2014

I don't get the sense that Mats dislikes Fed, he just doesn't handle him with kid gloves or awe. He said today on air that Federer is a really nice guy.

Chanwan · Nov 21, 2014

heninfan99 said:
I don't get the sense that Mats dislikes Fed, he just doesn't handle him with kid gloves or awe. He said today on air that Federer is a really nice guy.

I don't know. My impression is that he likes to take a dig at him quite often - for whatever reason. And smaller stuff like today saying something to the effect that the injury played no part whatsoever in Fed's biggest DC defeat ever.
He can praise him too, but it's rare and some of the digs have been quite big - most famously the no balls-comment (that was pretty funny though).

heninfan99 · Nov 21, 2014

^^Yeah, Mats does like to take at dig at Fed but I think Mats has a contrarian streak and likes to stir things up.

I don't think it's personal dislike.

cc0509 · Nov 21, 2014

Chanwan said:
I don't know. My impression is that he likes to take a dig at him quite often - for whatever reason. And smaller stuff like today saying something to the effect that the injury played no part whatsoever in Fed's biggest DC defeat ever.
He can praise him too, but it's rare and some of the digs have been quite big - most famously the no balls-comment (that was pretty funny though).

Wilander praises Federer one minute and criticizes him the next. I think many of these players as great as they were (and Wilander is an all time great) are envious of Federer's consistency and longevity. Many of these guys had it all and threw it all away too early (Wilander to coke, Becker to women, etc.)

But I have to say that Wilander's comment he made with respect to Federer not playing with balls vs Nadal was an accurate one, sadly.

jaggy · Nov 21, 2014

I'd love my boy Benny to get in on this

Prabhanjan · Nov 21, 2014

RF20Lennon said:
Countries and Borders were created by Human Beings. I don't have to subscribe to it. Being born to parents is biological. Just like being born on Earth. So if you make the argument about the planet I agree. But about countries? LOL please.

Being born to parents is biological! So what? Whats special about it? And about planets? Whats really distinct about the planets and countries, just the fact the former is natural and later is artificial. So somehow, continents make sense to you but not countries, and planets too just because the separation looks natural to you. Being born to specific parents is also more of emotional than scientific. Any kind of demarcation is meaningless, be it natural, scientific or human made.

Team10 · Nov 21, 2014

Typical Vero in this thread, really hard to read her posts. Missed most of the action so I was reading this thread to catch up. Watched most of the Wawrinka vs. Tsonga match on replay and will watch the Fed vs. Monfils after, too bad Federer couldn't do more, bad back

That coupled with Monfils focusing on clay in bo5 is not easy.

Hoping for Roger and Stan tomorrow for doubles, it's the only shot the Swiss have at it.

RF20Lennon · Nov 21, 2014

gavna said:
So it's safe to assume you disapprove of the Olympics as well???

I love Davis Cup and considering that for the majority of the ATP it's the Federal Federations that helped developed them.

Yes don't like the tennis Olympics either.

RF20Lennon · Nov 21, 2014

Prabhanjan said:
Being born to parents is biological! So what? Whats special about it? And about planets? Whats really distinct about the planets and countries, just the fact the former is natural and later is artificial. So somehow, continents make sense to you but not countries, and planets too just because the separation looks natural to you. Being born to specific parents is also more of emotional than scientific. Any kind of demarcation is meaningless, be it natural, scientific or human made.

Last time I checked being really happy to be born to my parents didn't make me prejudiced against anyone else or start any wars. Nationalism on the other hand...

RF20Lennon · Nov 21, 2014

slice bh compliment said:
Nice. ^This^ post is a lot less dramatic than your post out how dc destroys what tennis is about.
This is beautiful about tennis, yes. It is what tennis stands for....for you. Cool.

For me, davis cup does not destroy a thing. It is uplifting for me. I Often go to ties.

I personally can separate the two (atp, davis cup). I can also separate college tennis, my own tennis, the tennis of my kids, etc.

I am an american who likes tsonga, richie, stan, rog and baghdatis wayyy more than sock, isner, ginepri, querrey, blake, roddick, fishy, dre, pete, bg, arias, chang, jimmy and mac.

Davis cup has not destroyed a thing for most of my tennis friends, either. Sorry it is destructive for you.

Exactly! So if USA went up against those guys who would you be supporting? It's kind of a double edged sword there. Supporting people and connecting with them should be personal not where they hail form. That's really my only problem with Davis Cup.

slice bh compliment · Nov 21, 2014

RF20Lennon said:
Exactly! So if USA went up against those guys who would you be supporting? It's kind of a double edged sword there. Supporting people and connecting with them should be personal not where they hail form. That's really my only problem with Davis Cup.

Not sure. case by case. Great moments each time i have been to a tie. I.e. I wave a us flag while cheering for great tennis. Gotta be true to your school (beach boys reference, Lennon).

They say the ability to deal with two opposing feelings is what separates us from the animals.

I do not get into olympic tennis. Nice, but no real tradition. Davis cup? 115 years of love, man. Deep.

RF20Lennon · Nov 21, 2014

slice bh compliment said:
Not sure. case by case. Great moments each time i have been to a tie. I.e. I wave a us flag while cheering for great tennis. Gotta be true to your school (beach boys reference, Lennon).

They say the ability to deal with two opposing feelings is what separates us from the animals.

I do not get into olympic tennis. Nice, but no real tradition. Davis cup? 115 years of love, man. Deep.

Hahaha Good one!

bullfan · Nov 21, 2014

Fed tanked against Monfils.

Deleted member 307496 · Nov 21, 2014

And a sweeping victory from Monfils.

Sentinel · Nov 21, 2014

bullfan said:
Fed tanked against Monfils.

Yup, just to prove that his fake injury is genuine !!!

slice bh compliment · Nov 21, 2014

Sentinel said:
Yup, just to prove that his fake injury is genuine !!!

Now this is commitment...to the craft. His loyalty to the game runs that deep!

Prabhanjan · Nov 21, 2014

RF20Lennon said:
Last time I checked being really happy to be born to my parents didn't make me prejudiced against anyone else or start any wars. Nationalism on the other hand...

Why should you be really happy about it

, and then you go around objecting people who are happy about their nation as if such individuals are responsible for the war? Now, if only you would take care of poorer people than your parents, I can accept your criticism of nationalists because such poorer people deserve your support more than your parents, isn't it:???:

Equivalently, if you are ready to abandon your healthy kids (born to you) in favor of the sick ones in the orphanage, I will accept your criticism of nationalists. So, "family" is that Achilles hill for you what you as "nationalism" in others. Hypocrisy smacks everywhere, isn't it:???:

RF20Lennon · Nov 21, 2014

Prabhanjan said:
Why should you be really happy about it, and then you go around objecting people who are happy about their nation as if such individuals are responsible for the war? Now, if only you would take care of poorer people than your parents, I can accept your criticism of nationalists because such poorer people deserve your support more than your parents, isn't it:???:

Equivalently, if you are ready to abandon your healthy kids (born to you) in favor of the sick ones in the orphanage, I will accept your criticism of nationalists. So, "family" is that Achilles hill for you what you as "nationalism" in others. Hypocrisy smacks everywhere, isn't it:???:

It was never about providing relief or taking care of someone who isn't related. The whole basis for this discussion was Tennis is a sport where you can support anyone you want regardless of where you're from or where the player is from. It breaks international boundaries. Davis Cup takes that away. You can be happy about your nation all you want. But that's all that is. Using parents as an analogy doesn't work because state isn't a physical, tangible object or person to which you have a physical connection to. It's just following of a sect of ideals. I don't see how that's even remotely comparable to what we're discussing. I personally choose to feel proud by what I've worked to achieve. Not something that was just simply handed to me.

MatsPhilander · Nov 22, 2014

Hard to see how the Swiss can win being saddled with a lame duck Roger who will likely lose both games in straight sets.

joeri888 · Nov 22, 2014

What Time Will the doubles lineup be certain?

heninfan99 · Nov 22, 2014

9:30 EST nothing is 100% certain but Benneteau/Gasquet are in according to my Twitter source. I fully expect Federstan on the other side of the net.

joeri888 said:
What Time Will the doubles lineup be certain?

Rozroz · Nov 22, 2014

why not Fed/Stan?

a doubles match clearly is easier on the back, and they mix well together.
unless Fed is suffering, etc..

heninfan99 · Nov 22, 2014

^^They must play Federstan in dubs. Not that miracles don't happen but Lamar and Chiudinelli would be out of their depth.

Rozroz · Nov 22, 2014

heninfan99 said:
^^They must play Federstan in dubs. Not that miracles don't happen but Lamar and Chiudinelli would be out of their depth.

but they're not.. flashscore shows it's the no names that play.
i hope they surprise and change that.

so if the Swiss take the dubs, and get a 5th rubber (if at least Stan wins),
what would be the chances?

heninfan99 · Nov 22, 2014

They can change line-ups up to an hour before the match.
Well, I'm rooting for France so Federstan can sit on the bench. I'm okay with it

but it would be a bad move for the Swisse.

heninfan99 · Nov 22, 2014

This is the most important doubles match of my life.
Allez Les Bleus!

Boom-Boom · Nov 22, 2014

bullfan said:
Fed tanked against Monfils.

He was just testing/warming up his back for today/tomorrow :-/

Deleted member 3771 · Nov 22, 2014

Freddy needs some Davis cup final inspiration from his hero.

heninfan99 · Nov 22, 2014

My kingdom for Hoolihan's nachos delivered at the start of the doubles match.

MatsPhilander · Nov 22, 2014

TheNatural said:
Freddy needs some Davis cup final inspiration from his hero.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iah-tk3wLJI

Hood_Man · Nov 22, 2014

I don't know if it's been posted yet, but according to streamhunter its going to be Benneteau/Gasquet vs Chiudinelli/Lammer for today's doubles.

joeri888 · Nov 22, 2014

Rozroz said:
but they're not.. flashscore shows it's the no names that play.
i hope they surprise and change that.

so if the Swiss take the dubs, and get a 5th rubber (if at least Stan wins),
what would be the chances?

This is the official lineup. Ofcourse that shows up everywhere, until Luthi announces at the last possible timeslot that it will at least be Stan teaming up with someone.

joeri888 · Nov 22, 2014

Hood_Man said:
I don't know if it's been posted yet, but according to streamhunter its going to be Benneteau/Gasquet vs Chiudinelli/Lammer for today's doubles.

Streamhunter might even show that while Fed and Stan are already playin.

Boom-Boom · Nov 22, 2014

Tsonga/Gasquet in dubs for the French apparently

Chanwan · Nov 22, 2014

heninfan99 said:
This is the most important doubles match of my life.
Allez Les Bleus!

match start is at 3.30 pm, French time, right? I get different information from different sites

joeri888 · Nov 22, 2014

It doesnt tell us everything, but the DC tweeted a picture saying Clement was watching Federer and Wawrinka practice this morning. In doubles formation

heninfan99 · Nov 22, 2014

I think 1430 GMT, 9:30 EST

Chanwan said:
match start is at 3.30 pm, French time, right? I get different information from different sites

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