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Apart from 15% more durability, is there any difference, if any at all?
Even in a hybrid setup with poly crosses, BT7 is still stiffer and takes some time to soften up. If i want such a setup, I could get cheaper Pacific and it would play the same for me. I still miss the original VS and guess for those of us who have remaining supply of original VS, we are just going to have to enjoy it until we run out of the original VS .
I took an advantage of Tennis Only's (TW's sister store in Australia) 20% off storewide sale and ordered 5x packets of Babolat VS Touch strings. I was pleasantly surprized that they sent me the pre-BT7 VS Touch strings
Sorry to rain on your parade, but they are all BT7.
They are? :?
Of course, they are.
You bought the latest version of VS gut, and Babolat no longer makes the non-BT7 gut.
Take a look at the description here. Although this is VS Team, it has the same packaging with Nadal and Tsonga pics.
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Babolat_VS_Natural_Team_Gut_17_125_String/descpageACBAB-BTG17.html
Here is what it says:
"Now comes with BT7 technology which is a new layering structure, increasing durability by 15%. Offers a slightly firmer feel, but remains the "Gold Standard" for comfort and playability."
Ah I see. Thanks for the info.
I saw a pic of your stash of natural gut strings you posted a while ago. So those Babolat VS with the black packaging are pre-BT7 are they?
It blows my mind how a company, whose namesake has been VS Gut CHANGES the formula for the most popular string ever.
It is equal to the coke vs. new coke formula debacle.
Title was slightly confusing. That's a lot of VS
It blows my mind how a company, whose namesake has been VS Gut CHANGES the formula for the most popular string ever.
It is equal to the coke vs. new coke formula debacle.
Vote with your wallet. There are much better choices for $43/ea.
The discussion of the BT7 on stringforum concluded that Babolat introduced it because it is superior for use with Polyester hybrids; by making the gut stiffer-in-fact, it can be strung at a lower tension, close to what polyester should be. They recommended if you are using BT7 to lower the tension to compensate.
Does anyone else think that the VS Touch Black is a better string than the natural? I definitely seem to have better touch and control with it on my mains.
The discussion of the BT7 on stringforum concluded that Babolat introduced it because it is superior for use with Polyester hybrids; by making the gut stiffer-in-fact, it can be strung at a lower tension, close to what polyester should be. They recommended if you are using BT7 to lower the tension to compensate.
VS Team went BT7 as well, right?
Anyone tried both? Same story as the Touch?
Anyhow, it seems that Babolot has changed its thermogut process in order to produce a stiffer string that will be better for poly hybrids. I have never used the old VS (the VST) but the racquet I strung with the new BT7 version of VS had a string-bed stiffness that was much higher than I anticipated, based on my experience Bow and Klip natural gut strings. Basically it was as though I had strung it 15 percent tighter than I did - which is a huge difference.
I added 3 grams to the head of this racquet with the GT7 VS and played with it yesterday. It played pretty well. I am happy with it now, and I am not going to cut it out.
I don't play with poly or with poly hybrids. For my game poly really is not a good string. I think that the new VS, the GT7, which I think has a higher dynamic tension, or which produces a stiffer string-bed at the same actual tension that you string it at, will be a much better string for poly hybrids. You won't have to string the gut 4.5 lbs. tighter than the poly anymore. You should be able to use a difference much less than that, or no difference at all in the tensions of the two strings, and this should be a big advantage.
Regarding how the new GT7 VS plays in full bed string-beds, it's probably not quite as good as the old VS, but it is still a very nice string to play with. You just need to install it about 15 percent looser than with normal gut.
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. Babolat told me that they went to the new BT7 formula in order to make the NG string more durable and crisper than the old formula. What they did was to use 7 thicker segments to make up the core of the NG, instead of the old 13 segments. They also use 2 stiffer coatings, so the overall effect will lead to a crisper feel and playability.
I've been using Tonic+ because it's cheaper. Am I missing something? Should I try Wilson Natural Gut, or the regular Babolat VS instead? or is Tonic+ OK?
Well that sucks. Explains why my recent stringing with VS was not quite what I had expected / remember...Yes sadly it did. I was so disappointed with BT7, it just doesn't stretch and isn't as soft.
Prince & Wilson gut is just rebranded Babolat gut, all of which is made in France. Prince & Wilson do not produce any natural gut of their own. I have heard Wilson outsources all of its strings to other companies to make, but I cannot confirm that.
I am skeptical that BT7 was merely a money-play (by-itself), as Babolat already sells plenty of their flagship product; rather, it was probably in reaction to the growing use of hybrids and polyester and an attempt to make sure the standard-by-which-all-strings-are-compared, VS Gut, remains relevant. Also it may have cost them R&D to develop BT7. Not sure though why they haven't continued to produce the non-BT7, perhaps not efficient to do both, and would confuse the market.
That is enough of me defending a rather aggressive giant company. From stringforum:
I'm using VS Team BT7, and have it strung at 47 lbs.The Tonic+ is just seconds from Babolat. There are usually some type of imperfection in the string gauge or even some type of discoloration. It has the BT7 stuff if you get the newer packaging.
The Wilson is much softer like how VS used to be. You will certainly notice a difference. It is also more powerful so you will have to string a little tighter to get the same results as you were getting with the Tonic+.
I hated the BT7 stuff when I initially tried it because I strung it at a tension that I would usually string VS. Once I lowered my tension a few pounds, I enjoyed it. It still isn't quite as nice as pre BT7, but it does last longer for me. It's worth the trade off for me.
I'm using VS Team BT7, and have it strung at 47 lbs.
Your experience is similar to mine. So far, I've hit with it for about 20 hours tops and only just started fraying a little on the sides. Mostly still looks good as new, which is great.
Initially, it felt a little tighter than normal, and its definitely more crisp feeling than the Wilson Natural Gut that is strung at the same tension on my coach's K90, but after a little bit of hitting actually feels a lot livelier than before, and because of the lower tension is more than powerful enough for my purposes.
Definitely expensive. Costs me $35 in a hybrid setup, but I only string my racquets with natural gut every once in a while...I think a soft poly / hard poly setup is better for me because it's got less power, but I'd be lying if I said I like it more than VS.Yes, It's certainly a great string. My only issue with it is that it cost so much, I would hate to string it at a tension that I would not be happy with. If I knew which tension would work for me, I would use this stuff full time in a tight pattern stick. I've been experimenting with a Prestige Mid and this string would work perfect in it and last a loooonnnnggg time.
The discussion of the BT7 on stringforum concluded that Babolat introduced it because it is superior for use with Polyester hybrids; by making the gut stiffer-in-fact, it can be strung at a lower tension, close to what polyester should be. They recommended if you are using BT7 to lower the tension to compensate.
My prediction is $39.99 next year. Personally, I might consider them if $36.99.
To me, "softer" or "stiffer" are too simple words to put it. And I do not even want to say
BT7 is "crisper". Crisp is too nice word to describe BT7.
It is simply stiffer and feels more "synthetic".
Hybrid users may not feel that much difference but if you are full bed user,
BT7 can be a pretty serious offense to the happiness you had before with VS (or Tonic).
BT7 lost the "dynamic" nature of natural gut. I would even go ahead and say
it has lost the "magic" of Babolat natural guts.