What Nick Kyrgios needs...

Winners or Errors

Winners or Errors

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Yes, I know this thread may just elicit a bunch of silly or outright negative comments about what Kyrgios "really" needs, but in spite of his obvious disrespect for everyone and everything, I like his game and think there could be hope if... a very patient (on the court, that is) former player known for good sportsmanship could be convinced to become his coach/mentor.

I think it'd be great for him to be coached by someone like Mats Wilander or Miloslav Mecir. I don't think Lleyton will help him mature; he was such an arrogant jerk when he was number 1. The sportsmanship part is big. The point construction, patient focus part is equally big, because I don't see him winning anything until he stops losing focus at key points in matches. Those two guys were, to me, in that mold.

The obvious question is whether or not one of them would put up with Kyrgios long enough for him to change, because I see Kyrgios as just that big a jerk at this point.

Watching the Simon-Djokovic match made me think Simon might be a good candidate, but I don't see any Frenchman having that kind of patience. I think this job would require the patience of Job.

Your thoughts? Can Kyrgios be saved at this point, or is he a lost cause?
 
Inanimate_object

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You don't need great sportsmanship to be a great player. It's just incidental as of late. Kyrgios can be an even bigger jerk and continue to sport even more questionable clothes and haircuts so long as he improves as a player. Don't see why everyone in this forum is so keen to play mother to a grown man. All that matters is if he can improve his tennis. Whether that ignores his behaviour or even exacerbates it is irrelevant. Jimmy Connors and John McEnroe may rightly be considered two of the finest players to ever pick up a racket. And it wasn't because they were nice. It's because they kicked ass.
 
Zoolander

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What Kyrgios needs is someone to get a great big ******** lump of wood and smack the ******** crap out of his ******* and if he tries to ******* then kick him hard in the ******* until that annoying little ******* cries like a little ******* ********, and his ******* dog too!

Is that " silly or negative" enough for you!! :D cant believe all those words got bleeped out.......
 
Winners or Errors

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Inanimate_object said:
You don't need great sportsmanship to be a great player. It's just incidental as of late. Kyrgios can be an even bigger jerk and continue to sport even more questionable clothes and haircuts so long as he improves as a player. Don't see why everyone in this forum is so keen to play mother to a grown man. All that matters is if he can improve his tennis. Whether that ignores his behaviour or even exacerbates it is irrelevant. Jimmy Connors and John McEnroe may rightly be considered two of the finest players to ever pick up a racket. And it wasn't because they were nice. It's because they kicked ass.
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Kyrgios is not McEnroe or Connors. McEnroe used it to gain focus. Connors used it to take other players out of their game. Kyrgios is no Mac or Connors. You are giving him too much credit. Did you ever actually watch McEnroe and Connors play? I don't think that path, which is also a bit the Hewitt path, will get that guy to the next level. He doesn't use his emotions, they use him. They cost him matches.
 
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Winners or Errors said:
Yes, I know this thread may just elicit a bunch of silly or outright negative comments about what Kyrgios "really" needs, but in spite of his obvious disrespect for everyone and everything, I like his game and think there could be hope if... a very patient (on the court, that is) former player known for good sportsmanship could be convinced to become his coach/mentor.

I think it'd be great for him to be coached by someone like Mats Wilander or Miloslav Mecir. I don't think Lleyton will help him mature; he was such an arrogant jerk when he was number 1. The sportsmanship part is big. The point construction, patient focus part is equally big, because I don't see him winning anything until he stops losing focus at key points in matches. Those two guys were, to me, in that mold.

The obvious question is whether or not one of them would put up with Kyrgios long enough for him to change, because I see Kyrgios as just that big a jerk at this point.

Watching the Simon-Djokovic match made me think Simon might be a good candidate, but I don't see any Frenchman having that kind of patience. I think this job would require the patience of Job.

Your thoughts? Can Kyrgios be saved at this point, or is he a lost cause?
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Dude needs a father figure. Not even trolling. Who taught this clown how to be a man cause he learned literally nothing. He's like a 13 year old in a mans body. I mean FFS, stand up straight, stop acting like a A hole. His dad was shown in the stands the other day. What the heck man? What have u been teaching this kid?
 
Inanimate_object

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Winners or Errors said:
Kyrgios is not McEnroe or Connors. McEnroe used it to gain focus. Connors used it to take other players out of their game. Kyrgios is no Mac or Connors. You are giving him too much credit. Did you ever actually watch McEnroe and Connors play? I don't think that path, which is also a bit the Hewitt path, will get that guy to the next level. He doesn't use his emotions, they use him. They cost him matches.
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I never said Kyrgios was McEnroe or Connors or even a great player. I said you are prescribing him antidotes for an attitude you personally find displeasing, not one that will necessarily improve his game. You don't win tennis matches with sportsmanship.
 
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Winners or Errors said:
Kyrgios is not McEnroe or Connors. McEnroe used it to gain focus. Connors used it to take other players out of their game. Kyrgios is no Mac or Connors. You are giving him too much credit. Did you ever actually watch McEnroe and Connors play? I don't think that path, which is also a bit the Hewitt path, will get that guy to the next level. He doesn't use his emotions, they use him. They cost him matches.
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So so so much this ^ Jmac and Connors used their act as a weapon. Nick just self destructs and blames everyone else
 
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I heard a psychologist talking about Kyrgios last year. He said that Kyrgios's antics are really about giving himself an out if he loses, by pretending that he doesn't really care...that he could win if he really tried so he doesn't have to deal with a painful loss. Same with the comments about not liking tennis, it makes the whole thing present as less important to him. He needs to engage with the ambition to achieve...if he possesses it.
 
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Mac33

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The problem is the whole Kyrgios family are ignorant.

Nick with his antics is making himself look like a first class a hole and the entire family cant see it.

A sign of the degradation of society-- brought on by TV. I bet the whole family are never away from watching their 'reality box'.
 
lud

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What Kyrgios need is to move out in Monte Carlo. It's obvious too much pressure on him. He is just 20 yrs old.
Australian tennis association is little bit too harsh on new players. I never seen this before in any country. They even manged destroy Hewitt with their cruel wishes. And what is worse Kyrgios has huge talent. One of the most talented guys I've seen in last 10 years. And Kyrgios is no McEnroe and Connors. Booth Connors/McEnroe are DIRTY personalities. Kyrgios is just unexperienced,not totally rotten like this.
 
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Inanimate_object said:
You don't need great sportsmanship to be a great player. It's just incidental as of late. Kyrgios can be an even bigger jerk and continue to sport even more questionable clothes and haircuts so long as he improves as a player. Don't see why everyone in this forum is so keen to play mother to a grown man. All that matters is if he can improve his tennis. Whether that ignores his behaviour or even exacerbates it is irrelevant. Jimmy Connors and John McEnroe may rightly be considered two of the finest players to ever pick up a racket. And it wasn't because they were nice. It's because they kicked ass.
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Maybe... but if young Nick wants to attract people who can help him get better, he stands a better chance of doing that by not acting like a turd.
 
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fuzz nation said:
Maybe... but if young Nick wants to attract people who can help him get better, he stands a better chance of doing that by not acting like a turd.
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So which is it? Does he need to improve is attitude to attract better mentors? Or does he need a better mentor to improve his attitude? Honestly this all seems like very thinly veiled attempts to conform someone's personality (or immaturity) to a more socially acceptable standard. And why? Because it offends the delicate sensibilities of an outspoken few? Who cares if he acts like an idiot? Seriously, why does it bother so many people on a personal level? I don't get it. Lets drop this specious pretense that fewer swear words equals more break points.
 
falstaff78

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Inanimate_object said:
You don't need great sportsmanship to be a great player. It's just incidental as of late. Kyrgios can be an even bigger jerk and continue to sport even more questionable clothes and haircuts so long as he improves as a player. Don't see why everyone in this forum is so keen to play mother to a grown man. All that matters is if he can improve his tennis. Whether that ignores his behaviour or even exacerbates it is irrelevant. Jimmy Connors and John McEnroe may rightly be considered two of the finest players to ever pick up a racket. And it wasn't because they were nice. It's because they kicked ass.
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Your reactions to Kyrgios and the flak he gets are almost as funny as Kyrgios' antics themselves.

Either you defend him to a VERY generous extent. Or you go after people who get frustrated with him. Which winds them up further, then they react, and that only winds you up further.

Are you just a really big fan of Nick? Or just hate the tennis establishment? Or just angry at large? What's going on here?
 
Fedinkum

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So far, Kyrios had isolated wins over big names. I just don't think he can win a tournament with momentary flashy shots. He need a coach who can fix his head.
 
Mr.Lob

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reaper said:
I heard a psychologist talking about Kyrgios last year. He said that Kyrgios's antics are really about giving himself an out if he loses, by pretending that he doesn't really care...that he could win if he really tried so he doesn't have to deal with a painful loss. Same with the comments about not liking tennis, it makes the whole thing present as less important to him. He needs to engage with the ambition to achieve...if he possesses it.
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Always thought the same thing about Monfils. He has the talent to win big, but is too afraid to get that heart broken.
 
Inanimate_object

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falstaff78 said:
Your reactions to Kyrgios and the flak he gets are almost as funny as Kyrgios' antics themselves.

Either you defend him to a VERY generous extent. Or you go after people who get frustrated with him. Which winds them up further, then they react, and that only winds you up further.

Are you just a really big fan of Nick? Or just hate the tennis establishment? Or just angry at large? What's going on here?
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I have not defended him in this thread at all. I've only questioned the effect and motivation behind suggesting Kyrgios need become a good sportsman to become a good tennis player. He may not be a great tennis player or a very successful one. But what he needs in the context of competition is not for people to tell him how to act, how to speak, how to behave or how to dress. This is not a tennis prescription. It is an example of people being upset about how someone behaves and demanding that that person change his ways because it would make them feel better. If you want that, then fine, but don't wrap it up in some excuse that it's all for the virtue of the game.

People don't like Kyrgios. That's fine. There are many things he does that I find silly as well. I simply don't care to ask him to change and don't honestly know why so many people are.
 
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Inanimate_object said:
I have not defended him in this thread at all. I've only questioned the effect and motivation behind suggesting Kyrgios need become a good sportsman to become a good tennis player. He may not be a great tennis player or a very successful one. But what he needs in the context of competition is not for people to tell him how to act, how to speak, how to behave or how to dress. This is not a tennis prescription. It is an example of people being upset about how someone behaves and demanding that that person change his ways because it would make them feel better. If you want that, then fine, but don't wrap it up in some excuse that it's all for the virtue of the game.

People don't like Kyrgios. That's fine. There are many things he does that I find silly as well. I simply don't care to ask him to change and don't honestly know why so many people are.
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I'm a high school coach. For the virtue of the game, I appreciate any player who has enough class to win and also act like they deserve it. Those people earn my respect and regardless of whose team they play for, I'm happy to help them succeed if I can.

My earlier thought about Nick was that he isn't going to attract as much help if he more than rarely acts like a hot mess - that's the case for anyone. Nobody can campaign their way into the ATP's top ten and take up extended residence there on their own. Just thinking that Nick might miss out on connecting with talented help if he's a little too bananas.

He's young for sure. We'll see...
 
Fedole

Fedole

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Yeah I'm not bothered by his antics really. Its much more concerning, as a tennis fan, that mentally he just doesn't seem to be a winner. Fair enough, swear on court, have a go at the umpire - but don't lose focus. I'd be pretty surprised if he changes tbh, as much as I'd love to be proved wrong.
 
Omega_7000

Omega_7000

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He's got a good game and is entertaining to watch. He needs to take it to the next level. Fitness, mental strength, return game, consistency.
 
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