So if polys are all trying to get softer, why aren't multis....

Dartagnan64 · Sep 18, 2017

All trying to get more slippery?

You'd think there is enough technology out there to make multis that slide as well as polys. Or is the fact that its cheaper to make polys driving the manufacturers away from applying tech to the multis. Kind of like how the car industry is pushing crossovers and SUV's because they make so much more money off them.

It just seems to me a nylon string with markedly reduced string-string friction is the way to move forward in the string industry. All I see is somewhat half assed attempts with coatings that wear too quickly.

CosmosMpower · Sep 18, 2017

There are already some pretty soft multis on the market. I wish there were more multis that had the control closer to what poly provides.

anhboa2 · Sep 18, 2017

Dartagnan64 said:
All trying to get more slippery?

You'd think there is enough technology out there to make multis that slide as well as polys. Or is the fact that its cheaper to make polys driving the manufacturers away from applying tech to the multis. Kind of like how the car industry is pushing crossovers and SUV's because they make so much more money off them.

It just seems to me a nylon string with markedly reduced string-string friction is the way to move forward in the string industry. All I see is somewhat half assed attempts with coatings that wear too quickly.

Maybe it'd cost more money and hassles making coating ? Poly still can slide by itself regardless of what coating it has.

CosmosMpower said:
There are already some pretty soft multis on the market. I wish there were more multis that had the control closer to what poly provides.

String them tight and we have all the control poly has, it is the spin that i missed.

SteveI · Sep 18, 2017

Dartagnan64 said:
All trying to get more slippery?

You'd think there is enough technology out there to make multis that slide as well as polys. Or is the fact that its cheaper to make polys driving the manufacturers away from applying tech to the multis. Kind of like how the car industry is pushing crossovers and SUV's because they make so much more money off them.

It just seems to me a nylon string with markedly reduced string-string friction is the way to move forward in the string industry. All I see is somewhat half assed attempts with coatings that wear too quickly.

The Guys at Team LF have a great new string with an outstanding and high tech coating on Supreme 2.0. I have been posting about it for about a month. Head Velocity and Bab Origin are also excellent. I tested a LF Supreme 2.0 17G (mains) and Head Sonic Pro 17G (crosses) hybrid and the results blew me away.

Outstanding spin, comfort and power. I also got 15 to 20 playable hours out of this set-up. It was cost effective and a really nice set-up..

Indeed the mutis are getting better. Not the older ones... the new ones are really nice. Head Velocity is also really cost effective

ricardo · Sep 18, 2017

SteveI said:
The Guys at Team LF have a great new string with an outstanding and high tech coating on Supreme 2.0. I have been posting about it for about a month. Head Velocity and Bab Origin are also excellent. I tested a LF Supreme 2.0 17G (mains) and Head Sonic Pro 17G (crosses) hybrid and the results blew me away.

Outstanding spin, comfort and power. I also got 15 to 20 playable hours out of this set-up. It was cost effective and a really nice set-up..

Indeed the mutis are getting better. Not the older ones... the new ones are really nice. Head Velocity is also really cost effective

I have tried multi/SG that are rated as slippery at TW string DB.
It is true. They are slippery. Some are more slippery than most poly.

HOWEVER, they get sticky quickly in only a few minutes. The only SG that remained slippery for a few hours (4) is B. Spiraltek.

I guess the multi/strings you tried are slippery.
Specifically, B. Origin is rated by TW as more slippery than most poly's.
However, HOW LONG does it remain slippery? A few minutes, hours, days, weeks or until it breaks?

On the other hand, slippery poly's and Ashaway Monugut ZX remain slippery for a long, long time.

esgee48 · Sep 18, 2017

1st gen polys and earlier co-polys have a very hard and durable surface. This makes them very stiff and slippery. Multis can be coated with a poly sheath, but for it to be durable, it also needs to be thick enough to last, which means at least 50% of the diameter should be poly. That would stiffen up multis a lot defeating the purpose of using multis. So that is why manufacturers don't do it. Velocity is between 40% and 20% poly (depending on who/what you read) so that tells you something right there as to how it maintains slippery conditions. If it spills over to 80% poly and other polymers, then the stiffness would definitely move back towards plain old poly. If your arm can stand it, the Kevlar/ZX hybrid is probably the most durable for spin. Polys are next. Then multis and SG.

100% ZX mono is in a class all by itself. Its surface is very dent resistant which makes it slippery. Multis with ZX strands are not as slippery mainly because their surfaces are Nylon. 3¢

Say Chi Sin Lo · Sep 18, 2017

Because multifilaments are.... multifilaments. There's always going to be a lot of fraction because they're... multifilament.

ByeByePoly · Sep 18, 2017

esgee48 said:
1st gen polys and earlier co-polys have a very hard and durable surface. This makes them very stiff and slippery. Multis can be coated with a poly sheath, but for it to be durable, it also needs to be thick enough to last, which means at least 50% of the diameter should be poly. That would stiffen up multis a lot defeating the purpose of using multis. So that is why manufacturers don't do it. Velocity is between 40% and 20% poly (depending on who/what you read) so that tells you something right there as to how it maintains slippery conditions. If it spills over to 80% poly and other polymers, then the stiffness would definitely move back towards plain old poly. If your arm can stand it, the Kevlar/ZX hybrid is probably the most durable for spin. Polys are next. Then multis and SG.

100% ZX mono is in a class all by itself. Its surface is very dent resistant which makes it slippery. Multis with ZX strands are not as slippery mainly because their surfaces are Nylon. 3¢

" ~~Velocity~~Cream is between 40% and 20% poly (depending on who/what you read)"

Don't mess with my head about Velocity ... jeeze

That said ... they did something weird with it.

Dartagnan64 · Sep 18, 2017

SteveI said:
The Guys at Team LF have a great new string with an outstanding and high tech coating on Supreme 2.0. I have been posting about it for about a month. Head Velocity and Bab Origin are also excellent. I tested a LF Supreme 2.0 17G (mains) and Head Sonic Pro 17G (crosses) hybrid and the results blew me away.

Outstanding spin, comfort and power. I also got 15 to 20 playable hours out of this set-up. It was cost effective and a really nice set-up..

Indeed the mutis are getting better. Not the older ones... the new ones are really nice. Head Velocity is also really cost effective

Yes I've been playing origin the last year and its good. Just put velocity in my new Phantom and was impressed with the spin on my first hit with it. Wondering how long its slippery coating will last however. I still think they can do better with spin production.

Never heard of the LF Supreme 2.0. Does it blow you away in a full bed or only when in a hybrid?

Dartagnan64 · Sep 18, 2017

Say Chi Sin Lo said:
Because multifilaments are.... multifilaments. There's always going to be a lot of fraction because they're... multifilament.

True but you can coat multi's to give them less friction like Velocity. The issue is getting the coating to last as long as the durability of the string.

ByeByePoly · Sep 18, 2017

Dartagnan64 said:
Yes I've been playing origin the last year and its good. Just put velocity in my new Phantom and was impressed with the spin on my first hit with it. Wondering how long its slippery coating will last however. I still think they can do better with spin production.

Never heard of the LF Supreme 2.0. Does it blow you away in a full bed or only when in a hybrid?

Velocity will drop tension approx 10% and settle. It will play consistent until it breaks. My strings stayed pretty straight @55 in my V1 tight middle 8 mains in 16x19. @52 ... more strings not straight, but mainly outside the center 8 mains. That oily coating (and smell) diminishes ... maybe around 10 hours. This is why I'm going to try V 16 @55 nat/V 17 @50 black ... I like lower tension than fb 55, but want straight strings until it breaks.

What tension, gauge, color, string pattern? Velocity had better feel/touch (woke up) @52.

Dartagnan64 · Sep 18, 2017

ByeByePoly said:
Velocity will drop tension approx 10% and settle. It will play consistent until it breaks. My strings stayed pretty straight @55 in my V1 tight middle 8 mains in 16x19. @52 ... more strings not straight, but mainly outside the center 8 mains. That oily coating (and smell) diminishes ... maybe around 10 hours. This is why I'm going to try V 16 @55 nat/V 17 @50 black ... I like lower tension than fb 55, but want straight strings until it breaks.

What tension, gauge, color, string pattern? Velocity had better feel/touch (woke up) @52.

Full Bed black 17 at 55 in 16x19 string pattern. I probably will try the next one at 52 but since I'm usually using Origin 17 at 58, I wasn't comfortable going so low right off the bat. But after one play i can see how I might want to string Velocity a little lower.

ByeByePoly · Sep 18, 2017

Dartagnan64 said:
Full Bed black 17 at 55 in 16x19 string pattern. I probably will try the next one at 52 but since I'm usually using Origin 17 at 58, I wasn't comfortable going so low right off the bat. But after one play i can see how I might want to string Velocity a little lower.

I would have played fb Origin 58-60, and fb Velocity 52 is about right for me ... fwiw. That was 16g and not 17g ... and I'm not sure if 55 flex would make me want to raise or lower tension.
Also ... not sure the equivalent fb 17 V tension. Maybe 16g 52 = 17g 55. Also ... maybe 17g stays straighter ... or less straight.

CosmosMpower · Sep 18, 2017

anhboa2 said:
Maybe it'd cost more money and hassles making coating ? Poly still can slide by itself regardless of what coating it has.

String them tight and we have all the control poly has, it is the spin that i missed.

String it tight enough to have as much control and a poly and it no longer feels comfortable which is the point of a multi. I'd rather play a soft poly, it will have superior spin.

The Big Kahuna · Sep 18, 2017

Say Chi Sin Lo said:
Because multifilaments are.... multifilaments. There's always going to be a lot of fraction because they're... multifilament.

Exactly. They are not well-suited nor were they developed to be cross strings - Multis (in essence) are a cheaper alternative to natural gut.

Best string for Poly hybrids are gut and synthetic gut - not soft gummy Multis.

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Dartagnan64 · Sep 19, 2017

The Big Kahuna said:
Exactly. They are not well-suited nor were they developed to be cross strings - Multis (in essence) are a cheaper alternative to natural gut.

Best string for Poly hybrids are gut and synthetic gut - not soft gummy Multis.

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That's what multis are now, but I'm not sure the technology is not there to make a soft slippery multifilament, especially given many poly makers are getting their polys to be softer.

The reason they were invented as a cheaper alternative to gut is because gut was, for the longest time, the best string for spin and control. Now they need to re think the paradigm where maximizing ball-string friction is not the goal, but minimizing string-string friction.

There are so many players I see that love the spin of poly but prefer the comfort of multifilaments and gut. It shouldn't be that hard to offer spin and comfort in today's day and age.

SteveI · Sep 19, 2017

The Big Kahuna said:
Exactly. They are not well-suited nor were they developed to be cross strings - Multis (in essence) are a cheaper alternative to natural gut.

Best string for Poly hybrids are gut and synthetic gut - not soft gummy Multis.

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I go the other way... slick multi in the mains and slick poly in the crosses.... works great...

ultradr · Sep 19, 2017

CosmosMpower said:
There are already some pretty soft multis on the market. I wish there were more multis that had the control closer to what poly provides.

I can provide control by myself.

But just can't provide spins of slippery polys.

ByeByePoly · Sep 19, 2017

CosmosMpower said:
There are already some pretty soft multis on the market. I wish there were more multis that had the control closer to what poly provides.

That's what Velocity is imo. It's very poly-like, and hopefully they keep evolving to play like poly with the comfort of multi. I am not looking for a multi to be more gut-like, but rather more poly-like. I hope they improve with zero poly in it. I know some have poly strands/cores ??? ... but I like the idea of zero plastic that still plays like poly. Velocity proves it's possible ... unless they put plastic in it and didn't tell us.

Muppet · Sep 19, 2017

Dartagnan64 said:
All trying to get more slippery?

You'd think there is enough technology out there to make multis that slide as well as polys. Or is the fact that its cheaper to make polys driving the manufacturers away from applying tech to the multis. Kind of like how the car industry is pushing crossovers and SUV's because they make so much more money off them.

It just seems to me a nylon string with markedly reduced string-string friction is the way to move forward in the string industry. All I see is somewhat half assed attempts with coatings that wear too quickly.

The way I see it, they just about have all their bases covered. Poly is stiff and slippery. Most multis are soft and have a little texture. You can go full bed or go on a hybrid safari. The thing about having a soft string that is slippery is that it won't give you any feel and it won't snap back well, especially when the coating wears.

An example of a softer poly with a slippery surface is Topspin Cyber Blue. It is very, very muted and has poor control if you try stringing it lower. The challenge for the manufacturers now is to design strings that bridge the gap between string types and still have them play well. As mentioned, Head Velocity and Iso-Speed Cream are examples.

A hybrid that I like a lot is Topspin Cyber Flash/Pro's Pro Gutex Ultra. CF is a poly that is not quite smooth and GU is a typical multi that's pretty smooth for a multi. Together they play nice and plush. The small amount of texture on both strings adds feel. And the spin is surprisingly good considering they are not the most slippery strings. Now when I pull on the strings to see how well they snap back, they don't re-center all the way or very quickly. But when I am between points and I look down at my string bed, the strings are staying straight. I'm not sure the rules for snap back always apply.

So what I've discovered is that poly creates feel and spin with stiffness. Multi creates comfort with softness and feel with texture. Trying to make the strings into each other will usually give you a compromised product. Instead of waiting for the miracle string, use both types to find your best combo.

mikeler · Sep 19, 2017

My new string of choice is a soft poly/poly hybrid called Firewire Boost. The spin is the best I've ever used.

Shroud · Sep 19, 2017

Dartagnan64 said:
That's what multis are now, but I'm not sure the technology is not there to make a soft slippery multifilament, especially given many poly makers are getting their polys to be softer.

The reason they were invented as a cheaper alternative to gut is because gut was, for the longest time, the best string for spin and control. Now they need to re think the paradigm where maximizing ball-string friction is not the goal, but minimizing string-string friction.

There are so many players I see that love the spin of poly but prefer the comfort of multifilaments and gut. It shouldn't be that hard to offer spin and comfort in today's day and age.

Really surprised there isnt a 20page thread on how to get spin or comfort. It should have the word ESP in the title...

The Big Kahuna · Sep 19, 2017

I can highly recommend LTEC Flex as a cross in any hybrid - that is what it was solely developed for. Priced well and plays like gut.

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Chipnkick · Sep 20, 2017

Velocity/4g rough can change a man almost as well as some wild turkey

ricki · Sep 20, 2017

mikeler said:
My new string of choice is a soft poly/poly hybrid called Firewire Boost. The spin is the best I've ever used.

Firewire broke on first shank so no, thanks.

emn8 · Sep 20, 2017

SteveI said:
The Guys at Team LF have a great new string with an outstanding and high tech coating on Supreme 2.0. I have been posting about it for about a month. Head Velocity and Bab Origin are also excellent. I tested a LF Supreme 2.0 17G (mains) and Head Sonic Pro 17G (crosses) hybrid and the results blew me away.

Outstanding spin, comfort and power. I also got 15 to 20 playable hours out of this set-up. It was cost effective and a really nice set-up..

Indeed the mutis are getting better. Not the older ones... the new ones are really nice. Head Velocity is also really cost effective

+1 for Head Velocity

17g in black is slick and pairs nicely with a smooth poly - Max Power plays wonderfully. So much so, that I have bought a reel of the 17g.
Velocity has decent access to spin for a Multi and also plays quite dead unlike a bulk of the multi's like X1 and NRG.

ByeByePoly · Sep 20, 2017

emn8 said:
+1 for Head Velocity

17g in black is slick and pairs nicely with a smooth poly - Max Power plays wonderfully. So much so, that I have bought a reel of the 17g.
Velocity has decent access to spin for a Multi and also plays quite dead unlike a bulk of the multi's like X1 and NRG.

Brother emn8 ... you went all in (reel) like brother @KluddKalle. I bought 4 sets of nat 16 and 4 sets of black 17. I want that oily coating to live in it's package until it's time. Put that reel in a plastic bag.

Wow ... Max Power 241 stiffness, tw 38 power rating. That has to be a very good control setup.

I will give feedback if V 16/V 17 plays any different than fb 16 V in the Velocity thread. Black V 17 due in tomorrow.

emn8 · Sep 20, 2017

ByeByePoly said:
Brother emn8 ... you went all in (reel) like brother @KluddKalle. I bought 4 sets of nat 16 and 4 sets of black 17. I want that oily coating to live in it's package until it's time. Put that reel in a plastic bag.

Wow ... Max Power 241 stiffness, tw 38 power rating. That has to be a very good control setup.

I will give feedback if V 16/V 17 plays any different than fb 16 V in the Velocity thread. Black V 17 due in tomorrow.

I hear ya! That will be one sweet and buttery smooth setup in your V1 pro. Natty gut and V 17 together...damn. I have reels in both 16 (natural) and 17 (black) so gone all in like Kluddkalle.

Keep wanting to move away from Max Power as it's no good for my aging shoulder...but the control and response is just too damn good. Play some of my best tennis with that setup. Ache like crazy the next day but like an addict I go back for more. HyperG and a few others work quite well but have significant downsides..stringbed locking up; tension maintenance etc. Will tell myself no more MP after I deplete my current sets.

Be interesting to see how the gut and V workout and your take on it.

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ByeByePoly · Sep 20, 2017

emn8 said:
I hear ya! That will be one sweet and buttery smooth setup in your V1 pro. Natty gut and V 17 together...damn. I have reels in both 16 (natural) and 17 (black) so gone all in like Kluddkalle.

Keep wanting to move away from Max Power as it's no good for my aging shoulder...but the control and response is just too damn good. Play some of my best tennis with that setup. Ache like crazy the next day but like an addict I go back for more. HyperG and a few others work quite well but have significant downsides..stringbed locking up; tension maintenance etc. Will tell myself no more MP after I deplete my current sets.

Be interesting to see how the gut and V workout and your take on it.

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No ... sorry ... "nat" was me saving typing for "natural".

I am good to go with fb Velocity 16 natural color @52 ... other than increased string movement @52 than my previous @55. I am going to try V 16 nat 55/V 17 black 52 and see if I get back to straighter strings. It's actually a minor issue, strings aren't moving that much. I won't spray/lube ... so just experimenting.

Two reels ... take that @KluddKalle. Have you ever compared fb V 16 to fb V 17? I have always been a 16g player, but I could see trying fb 17 at some point. I'm getting all the spin I need with 16, but I am curious.

emn8 · Sep 20, 2017

ByeByePoly said:
No ... sorry ... "nat" was me saving typing for "natural". I am good to go with fb Velocity 16 natural color @52 ... other than increased string movement @52 than my previous @55. I am going to try V 16 nat 55/V 17 black 52 and see if I get back to straighter strings. It's actually a minor issue, strings aren't moving that much. I won't spray/lube ... so just experimenting.

Two reels ... take that @KluddKalle. Have you ever compared fb V 16 to fb V 17? I have always been a 16g player, but I could see trying fb 17 at some point. I'm getting all the spin I need with 16, but I am curious.

Gotcha

That would be a good setup and the tension for both seems about right. I find 17 to play marginally better (although that might just be in my head) in a Blade 18x20. As a cross for MP I prefer the 17 - just works better although durability is not so good. The black does seem to play a bit different to the natural. I may also try a mix of the 16/17 V and see how it plays. I was thinking 54/52 in a tight string pattern.

Back on topic to the OP. I've been a fb Poly user for as long as I can remember. Tried X1,NRG and NXT at various points and didn't really take to any of them. Advancing years and the aches/pains that come with it prompted me to look at Multi's again. Velocity (at least to me) plays like a dead poly. Not as much spin, but the control and playability is there. Does it match 4G, Revolve etc as a slick cross? Probably not, but it gives me most of what i'm looking for whilst softening up the stringbed just enough to help with the aches. Multi's have changed from when I last played with them - Velocity, PPC, HD Duramix (50/50 poly/nylon mix) and others indicate that multi's are evolving, just not at the rate we would probably like.

Dartagnan64 · Sep 20, 2017

I have to admit I'm 6 hours into my trial of Velocity 17 black at 55 in a full bed and it does offer nice spin for a multi. Not terribly much different from gut/4G hybrid and a bit better than a full bed of Origin. I do wonder how a hybrid with Velocity in the crosses and something like PPC or gut in the mains would work out. Would the coating wear too quickly?

The search for comfort and spin is my ultimate goal. Touch is a lower priority for me since my game really is predicated on solid topspin groundstrokes to set up short ball opportunities.

Traffic · Sep 20, 2017

ByeByePoly said:
Velocity had better feel/touch (woke up) @52.

What do you mean by, "woke up"??

ByeByePoly · Sep 20, 2017

Dartagnan64 said:
I have to admit I'm 6 hours into my trial of Velocity 17 black at 55 in a full bed and it does offer nice spin for a multi. Not terribly much different from gut/4G hybrid and a bit better than a full bed of Origin. I do wonder how a hybrid with Velocity in the crosses and something like PPC or gut in the mains would work out. Would the coating wear too quickly?

The search for comfort and spin is my ultimate goal. Touch is a lower priority for me since my game really is predicated on solid topspin groundstrokes to set up short ball opportunities.

I actually like PPC, but imo Velocity is quite a bit better. Neither are particularly the best feel, but when I went to Velocity 16 fb @52, much of the feel improved. I went from struggling with drop shots @55 to hitting them as good as I ever have @52. Part of it was using it for a while, it's a weird duck multi.

To me, the only reason one might pick ppc over Velocity is power. I find Velocity mid-power, exactly what I need. But some may want/need the even lower power of ppc.

Power to me was (fb 16 @55):
- origin & natural gut 10
- Velocity 7-8
- PPC 5-6.

Best feel/pop ... Origin by a lot. No spin for me... only tried fb 55.

I found Velocity more forgiving than ppc, but when you hit it on the screws ppc feels very good and very controlled hitting your targets.I get more spin with Velocity than ppc, but ppc is good also. My strings did stay straight with ppc ... but I think it's because they don't move (don't need to snap back).

My impressions anyway.

I just hit 2 hours,with tonic/cream. I wish I preferred it over Velocity, because at 12 hours I can barely find a notch ... and minimum fraying. If Cream didn't go dead, it might be a 3 month string.

ByeByePoly · Sep 20, 2017

Traffic said:
What do you mean by, "woke up"??

Somebody else used that phrase in the Velocity thread ... I think it was @georgiahank. What he meant, and I agree is that @55 to much of the pop and touch is missing. Great control @55 .. just a hare too dead and stiff. At 52, it seems to wake up the feel/touch ... but really doesn't change control much (all win). You notice Velocity doesn't play very different from freshly strung until it breaks. Same idea ... just start lower to begin with. I tried to encourage you in the Velocity thread once to try lower if I remember correctly.

ByeByePoly · Sep 20, 2017

emn8 said:
Gotcha That would be a good setup and the tension for both seems about right. I find 17 to play marginally better (although that might just be in my head) in a Blade 18x20. As a cross for MP I prefer the 17 - just works better although durability is not so good. The black does seem to play a bit different to the natural. I may also try a mix of the 16/17 V and see how it plays. I was thinking 54/52 in a tight string pattern.

Back on topic to the OP. I've been a fb Poly user for as long as I can remember. Tried X1,NRG and NXT at various points and didn't really take to any of them. Advancing years and the aches/pains that come with it prompted me to look at Multi's again. Velocity (at least to me) plays like a dead poly. Not as much spin, but the control and playability is there. Does it match 4G, Revolve etc as a slick cross? Probably not, but it gives me most of what i'm looking for whilst softening up the stringbed just enough to help with the aches. Multi's have changed from when I last played with them - Velocity, PPC, HD Duramix (50/50 poly/nylon mix) and others indicate that multi's are evolving, just not at the rate we would probably like.

Velocity won't equal poly as a cross for spin, but surprisingly good for a multi. @scotus had good results with gut/V 17 black while his arm healed. @TenFanLA ... on the other hand ... hated it and called us names for wasting a set of gut. He goes through gut daily ... so crying about one half set of gut seems a bit drama queen.

georgiahank · Sep 20, 2017

More love for Velocity here. I continue to use 16g nat (54) / 17g black (52) as my go to string job. Much easier on my arm/shoulder than poly and still gives me the control, spin, and moderate power I was seeking in a poly. I may venture out to try something else after I get through my 16 sets of Velocity.

ByeByePoly · Sep 20, 2017

georgiahank said:
More love for Velocity here. I continue to use 16g nat (54) / 17g black (52) as my go to string job. Much easier on my arm/shoulder than poly and still gives me the control, spin, and moderate power I was seeking in a poly. I may venture out to try something else after I get through my 16 sets of Velocity.

I used your quote ... probably owe you some $. Explain it to @Traffic if I got your point wrong. Good ... sounds like my initial guess of 55/52 is a good choice. I may even tell my stringer to give me a "Hank" ... and go 54/52.

16 sets ... that should last a while. How many hours per stringing?

ByeByePoly · Sep 20, 2017

georgiahank said:
More love for Velocity here. I continue to use 16g nat (54) / 17g black (52) as my go to string job. Much easier on my arm/shoulder than poly and still gives me the control, spin, and moderate power I was seeking in a poly. I may venture out to try something else after I get through my 16 sets of Velocity.

Do the strings stay straight? What racquet/string pattern?

Traffic · Sep 20, 2017

ByeByePoly said:
Somebody else used that phrase in the Velocity thread ... I think it was @georgiahank. What he meant, and I agree is that @55 to much of the pop and touch is missing. Great control @55 .. just a hare too dead and stiff. At 52, it seems to wake up the feel/touch ... but really doesn't change control much (all win). You notice Velocity doesn't play very different from freshly strung until it breaks. Same idea ... just start lower to begin with. I tried to encourage you in the Velocity thread once to try lower if I remember correctly.

Yes. But it was after I strung it too high. As much as I enjoy cutting out strings, there has to be a purpose for it.

Now that I'm happy with my #1V1P, I'm going to string up V/Cream in #2V1P. But now you have just messed up the data I was using for the combo and tensions. I'm going to have to re-think this.

I think V "opened up" for me when I used OGSM in the main and V in the cross. I really did enjoy that setup. I wish it had a touch more spin though. That's what I'm hoping for V/Cream.

Dartagnan64 said:
I have to admit I'm 6 hours into my trial of Velocity 17 black at 55 in a full bed and it does offer nice spin for a multi. Not terribly much different from gut/4G hybrid and a bit better than a full bed of Origin. I do wonder how a hybrid with Velocity in the crosses and something like PPC or gut in the mains would work out. Would the coating wear too quickly?

The search for comfort and spin is my ultimate goal. Touch is a lower priority for me since my game really is predicated on solid topspin groundstrokes to set up short ball opportunities.

Ok, it's hard for me to believe that fb V has as much spin as gut/4g. I find V spin to be adequate. Very good for a multi. But gut/Cream to be downright poly-like in terms of spin. More than adequate...bordering on ideal.

SeeItHitIt · Sep 20, 2017

The Big Kahuna said:
Exactly. They are not well-suited nor were they developed to be cross strings - Multis (in essence) are a cheaper alternative to natural gut.

Best string for Poly hybrids are gut and synthetic gut - not soft gummy Multis.

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Agreed. Multis want to be gut, just aren't. I was going to reply 'just do a Klip/poly hybrid and be done with it', but decided not to....

ByeByePoly · Sep 20, 2017

Traffic said:
Yes. But it was after I strung it too high. As much as I enjoy cutting out strings, there has to be a purpose for it.

Now that I'm happy with my #1V1P, I'm going to string up V/Cream. But now you have just messed up the data I was using for the combo and tensions. I'm going to have to re-think this.

I think V "opened up" for me when I used OGSM in the main and V in the cross. I really did enjoy that setup. I wish it had a touch more spin though. That's what I'm hoping for V/Cream.

Ok, it's hard for me to believe that fb V has as much spin as gut/4g. I find V spin to be adequate. Very good for a multi. But gut/Cream to be downright poly-like in terms of spin. More than adequate...bordering on ideal.

Very good point ... tension advice after stringing is like milk past it's expiration date.

Why are you messing with Velocity again?

The friend I was hitting with today hits Dunlop sg @58lbs. It had no idea ... I asked our mutual stringer. He hits really pretty full strokes, penetrating with just enough ts to bring them down. I gave him the V1 with Baseline w/out a dampner and he hit 3 balls and gave it back. I gave him the V1 with tonic/cream ... and he didn't seem to want to give it back.

Edit: my friend had never hit poly before.

I have never hit Dunlop sg, but I'm betting he would love Origin.

ByeByePoly · Sep 20, 2017

SeeItHitIt said:
Agreed. Multis want to be gut, just aren't. I was going to reply 'just do a Klip/poly hybrid and be done with it', but decided not to....

I agree in general, but not Velocity. Velocity wants to be a nylon version of poly ... it doesn't want to be gut. It's a terrible gut if it does. Have you hit Velocity? It doesn't even fray in fb. IMO ... as they develop new breed multis ... it's not going to make sense to lump them into "multis". If you read the tw review on Origin ... it wasn't obvious where to list it.

Edit: fyi ... just giving my opinion Velocity isn't a typical multi ... or gut-like. I am not making the case pro or con on it's use as a cross. I have very limited hybrid experience.

Dartagnan64 · Sep 20, 2017

Traffic said:
Ok, it's hard for me to believe that fb V has as much spin as gut/4g. I find V spin to be adequate. Very good for a multi. But gut/Cream to be downright poly-like in terms of spin. More than adequate...bordering on ideal.

It's possibly the new frame and 16x18 stringbed that's helping. It's possible I'm forgetting the gut/4G experience since its been 6 months since I last used a poly.

The big thing is I don't feel lacking in the spin department at all with Velocity fb in the Prince Phantom. Maybe its all frame as this is the first string I tried in my new Phantom. But whatever it is, I'm pretty happy so far.

mikeler · Sep 20, 2017

ricki said:
Firewire broke on first shank so no, thanks.

I've also had shank issues with it. So I dropped 4 pounds off the mains and kept the crosses at my desired tension and that seems to have fixed it. Last night, I strung up another set and kept it at the original tension but dropped the outer 4 mains 10 pounds. We shall see what happens with that setup. Pinging @TierOneSportsOfficial to let him know I'm not the only one who experienced this.

ricki · Sep 21, 2017

mikeler said:
I've also had shank issues with it. So I dropped 4 pounds off the mains and kept the crosses at my desired tension and that seems to have fixed it. Last night, I strung up another set and kept it at the original tension but dropped the outer 4 mains 10 pounds. We shall see what happens with that setup. Pinging @TierOneSportsOfficial to let him know I'm not the only one who experienced this.

When Tier One started (2 years ago?) I received few sets of strings to try and Firewire was strung just at 24 kg's, it lasted like 5 minutes in warmup - brote at bottom outer main where it passes frame through small drilled hole (in prince ported racquet)... Same happened with RPM Dual (which is now out of market - I wonder why).

mikeler · Sep 21, 2017

ricki said:
When Tier One started (2 years ago?) I received few sets of strings to try and Firewire was strung just at 24 kg's, it lasted like 5 minutes in warmup - brote at bottom outer main where it passes frame through small drilled hole (in prince ported racquet)... Same happened with RPM Dual (which is now out of market - I wonder why).

That's where I was getting breakage as well. Next time you cut out the strings, notice how there is a definite kink in the string just due to the shape of how the string goes in and out of the grommets on the last 2 mains. It's a mild design flaw by Prince but they probably never figured anyone would break a string there. I also had the same issue with Discho Iontec but that one kept breaking near the top of the frame. Pinging @TierOneSportsOfficial official again. I'll send a pic via e-mail of the kink I'm talking about to Tier One.

So if polys are all trying to get softer, why aren't multis....

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