Dedans Penthouse
Legend
Bartelby said:
I really don't get this one and I really can't think of a plausible reason to continue this except that engaging shemales appear to be all the rage in 2017.
'nighty night...
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Head Graphene Touch Prestige
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
You don't get typos? You do make them.
Nothing you've said has been plausible, so you'll presumably go on and on.
Nothing you've said has been plausible, so you'll presumably go on and on.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
You have no idea what you're talking about as per usual!
moon shot
Hall of Fame
Do the Prestige S grommets fit any of the radicals like the Youtek Radical Pro?
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
I haven't tried it but it should fit the IG Radical Pro. The YouTek Radical Pro is 100sq.in and is really the racquet of choice of Maria Sharapova.
danbrenner
Legend
Hey man. @vsbabolat the open/dynamic patterns as you said, are the same. on the youteks and current Graphene models. props to you ..
I was duped as was Andy from TW. lol.
that just seems wrong that Head would go hard marketing that as if it were new tech.
oh well. i still love these sticks. just the marketing dept is a little lack luster.
I was duped as was Andy from TW. lol.
that just seems wrong that Head would go hard marketing that as if it were new tech.
oh well. i still love these sticks. just the marketing dept is a little lack luster.
El_Yotamo
Hall of Fame
Yeah, Head has made some poor decisions in the last few years.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I know more than you do trapped, as you are, in your nostalgic world of vintage Head racquets and Babolat gut strings.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Head has been like it has been for decades now.
Every two years they discover a new material that they market to death.
Nothing has changed other than their current strategy of slightly rejigging Graphene every two years.
And that is not exactly new. Ig followed Youtek, but it was Ig Youtek, so we had four years of Youtek.
The real change since then is the reformulation of frames and weights to capture the 'modern racquet' mood.
And this is a trend across all the major manufacturers.
Every two years they discover a new material that they market to death.
Nothing has changed other than their current strategy of slightly rejigging Graphene every two years.
And that is not exactly new. Ig followed Youtek, but it was Ig Youtek, so we had four years of Youtek.
The real change since then is the reformulation of frames and weights to capture the 'modern racquet' mood.
And this is a trend across all the major manufacturers.
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vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
Hahahaha, you're hilarious! Like I said, you don't know what you're talking about.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
Its been 13 years now.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
There aren't any manufacturers anymore except Yonex. Its all outscored. Also every racquet company is on the 2 year plan they all use the same play book.
10ACE
Professional
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Babolat has a three year plan and, yes, I do know they outsource.
Head frames are extremely well-made though so they know how to outsource well.
Head frames are extremely well-made though so they know how to outsource well.
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
There are no more pics as yet, so sidetracks are all we have.
They are mainly black with red accents, so almost like the last one.
Until they return to their red/burgundy with black accents direction, no surprises here!
They are mainly black with red accents, so almost like the last one.
Until they return to their red/burgundy with black accents direction, no surprises here!
El_Yotamo
Hall of Fame
I wasn't necessarily talking about their cycles or habits, but more about what they've chosen to market and use for the last few years. It is my opinion that in recent years Head has decreased the quality of their racquets' performance, looks, and adaptation to the player needs/wants. Every two years for the last few I've felt let down by them, that is all.
El_Yotamo
Hall of Fame
Why 13 years? Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I think head was still making many great frames until 2014 when really only the Speed, Instinct and Extreme lines were still fine (now of course the Speed line isn't doing too well either now). Basically, Head continued making good quality frames until 2014 and listening to their player base until 2014. Of course you don't have to agree
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
A lot of people don't like either Graphene's stiffness and/or the new polarised feel it makes possible, but a traditionalist like Granville switched to the Prestige Pro.
I'd presume declining sales motivated the switch, but whether new Head is attracting a new audience is doubtful.
I'd presume declining sales motivated the switch, but whether new Head is attracting a new audience is doubtful.
El_Yotamo
Hall of Fame
Actually I like polarized frames and I customize all my racquets to be polarized. By the way, Gran may be a traditionalist but he has recently said he's been looking for a more modern frame (just sayin').
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Apart from the Mid at 19mm, and that is only a mid, Head hasn't had anything you'd like judging from this.
El_Yotamo
Hall of Fame
I don't understand what you're trying to say. Please clarify, do you mean recently or ever? Thanks
El_Yotamo
Hall of Fame
Again, I'm not too sure what you're getting at. And about owning/using Head racquets, I'll have you know that I've extensively hit with the following:
-Microgel Radical MP (both original and reissue)
-Flexpoint Radical Tour
-Flexpoint Prestige MP
-Youtek and IG Prestige Pro and MP
-Youtek and IG Radical MP
-Graphene and XT Prestige Pro and MP
I'm unsure about this, but I think you're implying I wouldn't like any Head racquets ever made due to their beam thicknesses, but if I understand you correctly and that is the case it is simply untrue. I've loved most of the racquets on that list, and I even mentioned in the very post you quoted that I love 21mm beams nonetheless:
"although I can't pass up 16-19mm or 21mm either".
Also, as an added note, the PT57s are 20mm beams as far as I know, and I have hit with them a few times, and have a couple being delivered to me as well.
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
What about answering the simple question I asked: "What irks you about recent Head racquets?'
You are the one who claimed you like 16-20mm and yet none of your Heads has such.
Hence, the very simple question that I asked and that you still haven't answered.
(In your post that I quoted you are all over the place but your preference for 20mm or less is absolutely clear).
You are the one who claimed you like 16-20mm and yet none of your Heads has such.
Hence, the very simple question that I asked and that you still haven't answered.
(In your post that I quoted you are all over the place but your preference for 20mm or less is absolutely clear).
mhkeuns
Hall of Fame
I am not sure about the Graphene Touch Instict or the Extreme lines, but the Graphene Touch Speed Pro is a great frame. From its balance, feel and playability, I like everything about it and feel that the Speed Pro has become even more of a player’s racket, even more so than the Blade 98CV. I can really swing out and still get great control. I am expecting something great for the Graphene Touch Prestige MP & Tour versions. If the Speed Pro is any indicator, I think we will be getting something closer to the IG versions in feel and control. That would be great.
FearlessAnimal
Rookie
Why waiting for these GTP if man can buy IG? I saw almost unused IG Rad MP for ~$60 and IG Prest. Mid for ~$80.
El_Yotamo
Hall of Fame
In case I was unclear I apologize. However, I think it was clear enough that 20mm was my favorite and 21mm, as well as 16-19mm were also something I love, just slightly less. What irks me about the new racquets is the feel (I agree I wasn't clear enough answering that part) and their constant strive to innovate in the wrong ways (Graphene XT/Touch, MxG for example) instead of making no-nonsense, simple, good feeling racquets without being cheap and making racquets overly stiff and then now patching that up with overdampening effects which further reduce feel. Please let me know if I was clear enough this time
mhkeuns
Hall of Fame
I actually have a couple of IGPMP’s and a Mid. Just showing some excitement for the Touch Prestige line since I really like the feel of the Touch Speed Pro. I think it is a good trend that the racket companies are offering more muted feeling rackets.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
You have finally answered the question. So, in future, read the question. It makes the whole process clearer if you do.
Head racquets have never really gone in a no-nonsense, simple direction. I pointed out this above. You should have read that too.
I quote:
Head has been like it has been for decades now.
Every two years they discover a new material that they market to death.
Nothing has changed other than their current strategy of slightly rejigging Graphene every two years.
And that is not exactly new. Ig followed Youtek, but it was Ig Youtek, so we had four years of Youtek.
The real change since then is the reformulation of frames and weights to capture the 'modern racquet' mood.
And this is a trend across all the major manufacturers.
As I made clear in an early post, which you can read, I preferred the IG range because of the feel, but they move on every two years.
Head racquets have never really gone in a no-nonsense, simple direction. I pointed out this above. You should have read that too.
I quote:
Head has been like it has been for decades now.
Every two years they discover a new material that they market to death.
Nothing has changed other than their current strategy of slightly rejigging Graphene every two years.
And that is not exactly new. Ig followed Youtek, but it was Ig Youtek, so we had four years of Youtek.
The real change since then is the reformulation of frames and weights to capture the 'modern racquet' mood.
And this is a trend across all the major manufacturers.
As I made clear in an early post, which you can read, I preferred the IG range because of the feel, but they move on every two years.
In case I was unclear I apologize. However, I think it was clear enough that 20mm was my favorite and 21mm, as well as 16-19mm were also something I love, just slightly less. What irks me about the new racquets is the feel (I agree I wasn't clear enough answering that part) and their constant strive to innovate in the wrong ways (Graphene XT/Touch, MxG for example) instead of making no-nonsense, simple, good feeling racquets without being cheap and making racquets overly stiff and then now patching that up with overdampening effects which further reduce feel. Please let me know if I was clear enough this time
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
You called them racquet manufacturers when they don't manufacture anything. HEAD hires the same OEM as everyone else They are all in the same factory.
Actually Babolat seems to be switching to the 2 year cycle now with the replacement of the Pure Drive 2015 now with the new Pure Drive 2017 that was released in August. My math says thats 2 years.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
Its not the polarized feel. Its the feel of the layup. Polarized feel is made up TT term. No racquet customizer uses these terms.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I think the entire range is a 2018 issue. They have just brought forward the release of one of the new models to bring sales forward.
racket king
Banned
Wrong.
Weight shifted towards either end = polarized weight distribution / polarized feel. Lots of people describe it in those terms in including customizers, MRTs, shop staff and region sales managers from Head.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
The release is August 2017 not 2018. Thats reality.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
You are still left with the problem of giving names to the feel of those lay-ups.
It is also clear that either centering or polarising weight in the lay-up is used more widely than that and it seems rather useful.
It is also clear that either centering or polarising weight in the lay-up is used more widely than that and it seems rather useful.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
Layup and balance are two different things. Layup is the composition and how the materials are used. Balance is how the weight is distributed in the frame.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
They open buildings long before people work in them, christen ships before they sail, and, yes, they even launch product early.
If the whole range was already out then it would be a 2017 release, but they are coming out as the 2018 range.
If the whole range was already out then it would be a 2017 release, but they are coming out as the 2018 range.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
They are selling the racquet. they have released the racquet. the racquet went on sale August 2017. thats when the Pure Drive 2015 was replaced. Thats the facts.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Do you always make statements in complete isolation and without any context?
I asked you to give names to the feel of those lay-ups? The statement below is not a response to my request.
I asked you to give names to the feel of those lay-ups? The statement below is not a response to my request.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The fact is that if Babolat sees it as a part of their 2018 Pure Drive range then that's what it will be. It's their product so what they decide is a fact too.
I've followed this for quite a while and it is extremely common for a model to come out in advance of its siblings. It happens usually closer to Christmas.
I've followed this for quite a while and it is extremely common for a model to come out in advance of its siblings. It happens usually closer to Christmas.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
I guess you like to be fooled by marketing.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
Layup and balance are two different things. Layup is the composition and how the materials are used. Balance is how the weight is distributed in the frame. The two terms are not interchangeable. You can not call a layup "polarized" or the feel of the layup polarized.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
You have taught us all what kind of fool you are.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
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vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
Im glad you enjoy the marketing. My calendar still says 2017 the release date of the latest and greatest Pure Drive is still 2017. Thats the reality.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
You still haven't answered the question I asked, but rather you have gone off on a frolic of your own of no conequence to the question.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
If something is almost universally described as Pure Drive 2018 then that is its name, regardless of the calendar.
The actual release date is a footnote.
The actual release date is a footnote.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
I see no question here actually. When you ask a question you end the sentence with a question mark. Rather you made a statement that is inaccurate and are confusing layup and balance
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