The real thing starts after 11 seconds.I couldn't watch that backhand for more than 10 seconds, that is not my kind of aesthetic. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Yeah I see what you mean. I saw his other videos and usually hits pretty good backhands though. What do you think about the racket take back and pointing the racket straight at the net thing? Nothing special there?Yeah I skipped around, it's a combination of being completely off balance when he hits and being late on his contact points. My sense is that those two are connected, and there's a lot of jerky, body twisting of his weight into the ball to get the racket moving through.
Of course, I agree. Aesthetics is a subjective thing anyway. I was wondering if that sort of take back has any relevance in terms of stroke mechanics/efficacy etc.I don't think takebacks or follow throughs matter stylistically, as long as you can coil quick enough to get your shoulders and hips and legs into the shot, it's cool. Go nuts and do whatever you want, but the cleaner and more simple your technique is, the more repeatable it'll be and it'll be easier to improvise with on tough balls. Aesthetics are great but the most important thing is how good the ball you hit is and how much better it can get right?
This is funny. That was the first video I watched and then searched for other videos of him to see his backhand from side view and started the thread. And that video was the one I was referring to when I said I saw his other videos where he hit good backhands.I don't think takebacks or follow throughs matter stylistically, as long as you can coil quick enough to get your shoulders and hips and legs into the shot, it's cool. Go nuts and do whatever you want, but the cleaner and more simple your technique is, the more repeatable it'll be and it'll be easier to improvise with on tough balls. Aesthetics are great but the most important thing is how good the ball you hit is and how much better it can get right?
Edit: I watched another one of his videos and he looks well balanced in his most recent demo videos, as well as pretty consistent! Good player here!
I guess you're right about Edberg being a great maybe the best example.His backhand is indeed pretty sweet, especially in that 2nd video.
The closest pro takeback that I can think of is Gasquet, like you mentioned.
That loopy takeback might give him a tiny bit more power, compared to a compact takeback.
However, a drawback to such a big takeback is that the timing is more difficult.
Think about your FH - you're generally trying to eliminate any excessive stuff on the takeback/prep. This guy has a ton of excessive stuff going on!
I would recommend using a pro as a model who has a more compact BH takeback. That makes the timing easier (more consistent and holds up better under pressure) and will also make your BH more robust on a faster court (his BH would not be great on a really fast court - think Wawrinka and his limitation on serve returns and his poor results on grass).
Take a look at ~50-year-old Edberg's BH in this practice video (starts around 0:15). Notice how simple and compact his topspin BH takeback is. Food for thought...
I guess you're right about Edberg being a great maybe the best example.
I agree. He seemed pretty much out of balance on every hit.I couldn't watch that backhand for more than 10 seconds, that is not my kind of aesthetic. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Feel guilty. It’s like a neglected child.
They are equally bad I guess but somehow I trust the slice more. Topspin backhand return of serve sounds like a utopian goal at this stage!Which is your better backhand - slice or topspin?
Topspin backhand return of serve sounds like a utopian goal at this stage!
Wow how come I didn’t think about that! Especially Wawrinka who has such a high command of topspin backhand.Well, if it makes you feel any better, Wawrinka and Fed often resort to the slice BH ROS...
If you watch his match play that bh is a weakness imoI love this guy's backhand. There is something beautiful about his take back, racket tip pointing forward at some stage. Esthetics aside, what's the significance of that take back? Looks somewhat similar to Gasquet's. Don't forget to watch at 0.25X speed.
Check out my bh return in that video I posted recently.. all slice. The 1hbh is so timing dependent that I slice all 1st serves now, and all 2nd serves if its grass.Wow how come I didn’t think about that! Especially Wawrinka who has such a high command of topspin backhand.
One thing I noticed though is that all pro players with 1hbh hit topspin returns when they play doubles, including Wawrinka ( almost always).Check out my bh return in that video I posted recently.. all slice. The 1hbh is so timing dependent that I slice all 1st serves now, and all 2nd serves if its grass.
Wawrinka slices nearly all 1st serves also on his bh
1hbh = better power and spin, but more timing required compared to 2hbh. It is an unfortunate fact that all good 1hbh players must accept. The slice has a much bigger timing windiw
Yeah the net man forces it. Think of it as more aggressive play, that 1hbh off a serve is hard to do but powerful when it comes back. If you can chain 4 points in a row and get 1 break that's all you need thoOne thing I noticed though is that all pro players with 1hbh hit topspin returns when they play doubles, including Wawrinka ( almost always).
Damn top 50 player since 2010I'm impressed by Gasquet's record and his technique. Scan his weekly ranking for the last 16 years.
https://www.atptour.com/en/players/richard-gasquet/g628/rankings-history
Damn top 50 player since 2010
His forehand is pretty good. I think he uses eastern?Tennis Nerd guy's technique is really wacky.
Sure it works but no wonder he injures so often.
His forehand is pretty good. I think he uses eastern?
His forehand is pretty good. I think he uses eastern?
Viscous brutal tennis. Looks like a boxer throwing punches from his hipI vote old school myself:
Yeah and there is something about his forehand that is like that. It just seems so different. Not sure why maybe its the close angle or something. And my point in posting that is that even pros can be pros with a simple flashless takeback and once you get that down then maybe you can go for stylepoints.Viscous brutal tennis. Looks like a boxer throwing punches from his hip
Couldn’t get any more simple and effective than that.I vote old school myself:
certainly looked like he was getting some good topspin with that take back too.Couldn’t get any more simple and effective than that.
@J011yroger he gets a lot of forward lean on that bh especially @ByeByePolyI vote old school myself:
You need to be caught up on your calisthenics to be hitting a 1HBH topspin return of serve. It's really important to be able to short cut the backswing and time the contact well. When you do that you are relying a lot more on your shoulder and back muscles to give you the racquet head speed you need. It can be done, but it's challenging. It's almost a little easier when you have a big server where you can block it more and use their pace against them, but you need that timing. And to get that you need to practice. It's hard to find someone to blast serves at you over and over to get the practice.
If your timing's not on you can always fall back a city block like Nadal. Then you'll have plenty of time for the full back swing, and you'll need it when you're that far behind the line.
@J011yroger he gets a lot of forward lean on that bh especially @ByeByePoly
One thing I noticed though is that all pro players with 1hbh hit topspin returns when they play doubles, including Wawrinka ( almost always).
I bet when players had to face him on clay ... they cried a little.
Everyone except for this guy
Yeah ... but Muster probably had a role in breaking his hip.