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OhYes

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We may think that Big 3 are saving them for Slams and that they have let Masters go away as collateral damage, but it is obvious that it's just matter of time when first of young guys like Tsitsipas, Thiem, Zverev, Medvedev, maybe even Khachanov and Berretini, will finally win their maiden Slam. After that there is no going back, young tennis players will take control with full force. :eek:
Shanghai is really a turning point, big 3 are racing against the clock. You can start picking your new favs. ;)
 

MichaelNadal

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We may think that Big 3 are saving them for Slams and that they have let Masters go away as collateral damage, but it is obvious that it's just matter of time when first of young guys like Tsitsipas, Thiem, Zverev, Medvedev, maybe even Khachanov and Berretini, will finally win their maiden Slam. After that there is no going back, young tennis players will take control with full force. :eek:
Shanghai is really a turning point, big 3 are racing against the clock. You can start picking your new favs. ;)

Lol for Fed and Djokovic maybe. King Rafa still working the next gen out :p

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clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
NextGen H2H vs the Big 3



So just because Djokovic can't handle the NextGen you think the Big3 are finished? Rafa has played them more times than Djokovic and he has avery good record against them. He beat Medvedev in the finals to win Canada and the USO. Maybe, if Rafa was fit to play, we wouldn't have had four NextGens in the SF in Shanghai. If Djokovic was cleaning them all up, you'd be saying Ultron is unbeatable.

Djokovic is very lucky not to have played many of them and not to have played them that often.
 
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OhYes

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NextGen H2H vs the Big 3



So just because Djokovic can't handle the NextGen you think the Big3 are finished? Rafa has played them more times than Djokovic and he beat Medvedev in the finals to win Canada and the USO. Maybe, if Rafa was fit to play, we wouldn't have had four NextGens in the SF in Shanghai. If Djokovic was cleaning them all up, you'd be saying Ultron is unbeatable.
No I would use Wilander percentages. ;)
 

albertobra

Hall of Fame
The only lock is Medvedev which is showing consistence. The other boys mentioned (even Thiem) on the OP still have to bring up a lot before making a conclusion.
 
We may think that Big 3 are saving them for Slams and that they have let Masters go away as collateral damage, but it is obvious that it's just matter of time when first of young guys like Tsitsipas, Thiem, Zverev, Medvedev, maybe even Khachanov and Berretini, will finally win their maiden Slam. After that there is no going back, young tennis players will take control with full force. :eek:
Shanghai is really a turning point, big 3 are racing against the clock. You can start picking your new favs. ;)
Heard that in May 2017, July 2017, August 2017, November 2017, March 2018, May 2018, August 2018, November 2018, January 2019, March 2019, April 2019, August 2019, September 2019..
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
NextGen H2H vs the Big 3



So just because Djokovic can't handle the NextGen you think the Big3 are finished? Rafa has played them more times than Djokovic and he has avery good record against them. He beat Medvedev in the finals to win Canada and the USO. Maybe, if Rafa was fit to play, we wouldn't have had four NextGens in the SF in Shanghai. If Djokovic was cleaning them all up, you'd be saying Ultron is unbeatable.
Nole seems to be the weakest Big 3 against Nextgenners.
Nadal eats them for breakfast, and Fed seems to have trouble only against Zverev.
 

ChrisRF

Legend
NextGen H2H vs the Big 3



So just because Djokovic can't handle the NextGen you think the Big3 are finished? Rafa has played them more times than Djokovic and he has avery good record against them. He beat Medvedev in the finals to win Canada and the USO. Maybe, if Rafa was fit to play, we wouldn't have had four NextGens in the SF in Shanghai. If Djokovic was cleaning them all up, you'd be saying Ultron is unbeatable.

Djokovic is very lucky not to have played many of them and not to have played them that often.
No restriction here, this stat is absolutely impressive.

Also interesting that (contrary to Federer and Djokovic) Rafa has already played against anyone of them.
 
Not so fast, Rafa is destroying the wave of challengers behind the big 3.

Nadal is 20 - 5 v Zverev, Med, Thiem & Tsits
Nadal 5 - 0 Zverev
Nadal 2 - 0 Medvedev (both in Medvedev's current streak of making finals)
Nadal 9 - 4 Thiem
Nadal 4 - 1 Tsits

Djoker is 13 - 9
Djoker 3 - 2 Zverev
Djoker 3 - 2 Medvedev
Djoker 6 - 3 Thiem
Djoker 1 - 2 Tsits

Fed is 9 - 9
Fed 3 - 4 Zverev
Fed 3 - 0 Medvedev
Fed 2 - 4 Thiem
Fed 1 - 1 Tsits
 
Lol for Fed and Djokovic maybe. King Rafa still working the next gen out :p

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I'm a Rafa fan and also huge Nextgen fan but this GIF never gets old:

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Not so fast, Rafa is destroying the wave of challengers behind the big 3.

Nadal is 20 - 5 v Zverev, Med, Thiem & Tsits
Nadal 5 - 0 Zverev
Nadal 2 - 0 Medvedev (both in Medvedev's current streak of making finals)
Nadal 9 - 4 Thiem
Nadal 4 - 1 Tsits

Djoker is 13 - 9
Djoker 3 - 2 Zverev
Djoker 3 - 2 Medvedev
Djoker 6 - 3 Thiem
Djoker 1 - 2 Tsits

Fed is 9 - 9
Fed 3 - 4 Zverev
Fed 3 - 0 Medvedev
Fed 2 - 4 Thiem
Fed 1 - 1 Tsits

Federer and Nadal have both been incredible against Medvedev. The key seems to be that Medvedev is utterly bamboozled by variety, and this approach is used by Nadal and Federer.

As soon as Tsitsipas learns that the key to beating Medvedev is to draw Med into the net, rather than trying to overhit and approach the net himself, it's curtains for Meddy in that matchup.
 
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Meles

Bionic Poster
I'm a Rafa fan and also huge Nextgen fan but this GIF never gets old:

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Federer and Nadal have both been incredible against Medvedev. The key seems to be that Medvedev is utterly bamboozled by variety, and this approach is used by Nadal and Federer.

As soon as Tsitsipas learns that the key to beating Medvedev is to draw Med into the net, rather than trying to overhit and approach the net himself, it's curtains for Meddy in that matchup.
Shameful sportsmanship against a young Zedly.:D
 
I'm a Rafa fan and also huge Nextgen fan but this GIF never gets old:

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Federer and Nadal have both been incredible against Medvedev. The key seems to be that Medvedev is utterly bamboozled by variety, and this approach is used by Nadal and Federer.

As soon as Tsitsipas learns that the key to beating Medvedev is to draw Med into the net, rather than trying to overhit and approach the net himself, it's curtains for Meddy in that matchup.
Then why djoker gets puzzled by meddy??
Its not like he can't employ variety
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
No restriction here, this stat is absolutely impressive.

Also interesting that (contrary to Federer and Djokovic) Rafa has already played against anyone of them.
A big but (also another post including Thiem) as a fair number of those probably on clay, a good surface for NextGen other than Medvedev. These stats also don't include Coric who has a fine record versus Nadal and Federer.;) This could come around to bite Nadal all too soon because Thiem & Tsitsipas have wins over him on clay and one should not forget Zverev's last match with Nadal on clay where its likely rain saved him from defeat in the Rome Final.

Nadal is holding off the new players on their best surface overall, but its probably going to be a very close thing in 2020. (He's lucky clay is Medvedev's worst surface).
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
NextGen H2H vs the Big 3



So just because Djokovic can't handle the NextGen you think the Big3 are finished? Rafa has played them more times than Djokovic and he has avery good record against them. He beat Medvedev in the finals to win Canada and the USO. Maybe, if Rafa was fit to play, we wouldn't have had four NextGens in the SF in Shanghai. If Djokovic was cleaning them all up, you'd be saying Ultron is unbeatable.

Djokovic is very lucky not to have played many of them and not to have played them that often.

Rafa has as many wins against the nextgen as the other two do combined, with half the losses. Epic :)
 

clout

Hall of Fame
A big but (also another post including Thiem) as a fair number of those probably on clay, a good surface for NextGen other than Medvedev. These stats also don't include Coric who has a fine record versus Nadal and Federer.;) This could come around to bite Nadal all too soon because Thiem & Tsitsipas have wins over him on clay and one should not forget Zverev's last match with Nadal on clay where its likely rain saved him from defeat in the Rome Final.

Nadal is holding off the new players on their best surface overall, but its probably going to be a very close thing in 2020. (He's lucky clay is Medvedev's worst surface).
Until these players do something at a major I can’t buy into them just yet. Medvedev is the only player that’s even come close to achieving that.
 

ChrisRF

Legend
A big but (also another post including Thiem) as a fair number of those probably on clay, a good surface for NextGen other than Medvedev. These stats also don't include Coric who has a fine record versus Nadal and Federer.;) This could come around to bite Nadal all too soon because Thiem & Tsitsipas have wins over him on clay and one should not forget Zverev's last match with Nadal on clay where its likely rain saved him from defeat in the Rome Final.

Nadal is holding off the new players on their best surface overall, but its probably going to be a very close thing in 2020. (He's lucky clay is Medvedev's worst surface).
But that works both ways. We could also say Medvedev is lucky that clay isn’t his best surface because he would lose to Nadal there anyway. Okay, he probably also does anywhere else, but as we saw at US Open, at least he had a chance.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
NextGen H2H vs the Big 3



So just because Djokovic can't handle the NextGen you think the Big3 are finished? Rafa has played them more times than Djokovic and he has avery good record against them. He beat Medvedev in the finals to win Canada and the USO. Maybe, if Rafa was fit to play, we wouldn't have had four NextGens in the SF in Shanghai. If Djokovic was cleaning them all up, you'd be saying Ultron is unbeatable.

Djokovic is very lucky not to have played many of them and not to have played them that often.
It will difinitely be like this forever.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
I felt like throwing things at the TV when Djokovic was playing Shapovalov in the 2nd round in Shanghai and the commentator went on and on about how Shaps had beaten Rafa but he had never taken a set off Djokovic (which is not even true, as Djokovic beat him in 4 sets in AO 2019). Anyone listening to that would automatically draw the conclusion that Djokovic dominates the NextGen and Rafa loses to them all the time.
 
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