Prince Original Graphite ( POG ) Mid and OS versions

michael valek

Hall of Fame
Anyone ever hit with the donnay pro one oversize? Orange grey or yellow blue? I never did but wonder how it compares to POG oversize.
 

n8dawg6

Legend
Or to the yellow black head radical 107.
ive hit with an original and reissue. the original (trisys 260) plays a lot like a POG, but the grip is the old school head type. the string pattern is tighter on the radical so you get lower launch angle. the reissue is a little less demanding and has a bit more pop, but still quite heavy compared to most other stuff.
 

Seth

Legend
Or to the yellow black head radical 107.

I’ve only hit with the OG Bumblebee briefly, but I’ve used the 2019 reissued version quite a bit. It’s really a heavier Ti Radical with Bumblebee paint. Easier to use than the POG - more maneuverable but also less access to spin. Soft stringbed but not as stable as the POG. I serve better with the Radical but volley better with the POG. I enjoy both frames.
 

michael valek

Hall of Fame
Not exactly a POG but I acquired 2 nxg mp experimental frames, the all black ones. These are awesome. Anyone got any they would like to part with?
 

jdeloach

Hall of Fame
Just started playing again and dug this out of my bag...
POG Longbody Midplus
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shamaho

Professional
Does anyone know or do something to maintain that subtle sheen on the black paint/cover of the POGs - to stop them going matte ??
Any recommendations ?
 
Treat your tennis equipment like you would a cherished car. The first and most important thing is to always keep your frames clean, so wipe the sweat and court dust off after every use. A very mild, high quality automotive polish followed by a wax can make these old glossy frames look really good and protect them. Just don't over do it and rub hard or use a cheap abrasive cleaner/wax since unlike a car the clear finish is very thin (if there even is one). Non gloss frames are a whole other matter.
 

Ultra 2

Professional
For the frames themselves, i use this. Not sure if the previous poster was talking about the frame or the thermal cover.

 

shamaho

Professional
Treat your tennis equipment like you would a cherished car. The first and most important thing is to always keep your frames clean, so wipe the sweat and court dust off after every use. A very mild, high quality automotive polish followed by a wax can make these old glossy frames look really good and protect them. Just don't over do it and rub hard or use a cheap abrasive cleaner/wax since unlike a car the clear finish is very thin (if there even is one). Non gloss frames are a whole other matter.
Great suggestions, thanks! Never thought about automotive polish and wax.
Will definitely give that a try.

Recently tried treating the leather gripds as well after watching YouTube videos on reviving old leather shoes lol!!


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ron schaap

Hall of Fame
Great suggestions, thanks! Never thought about automotive polish and wax.
Will definitely give that a try.

Recently tried treating the leather gripds as well after watching YouTube videos on reviving old leather shoes lol!!


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I never thought i read this on a tennis forum. I m myself more concerned about the corona and if i m able to play tennis again at all this year! Maybe i just hit some balls with an old racquet against a oneven wall just to feel what is was like 1.5 month ago.
 

shamaho

Professional
I never thought i read this on a tennis forum. I m myself more concerned about the corona and if i m able to play tennis again at all this year! Maybe i just hit some balls with an old racquet against a oneven wall just to feel what is was like 1.5 month ago.

Well Ron, me neither but... one has to think & look forward, and something to look forward to - no matter how far it is.

In particular case of the POGs - I happen to still play competitively with them, and those are not easy rackets to find (at least in Europe) - so I'd like to keep mine in s a good condition as possible for as long as possible (as I'm not one to change rackets every two years) - everybody likes a racket in good condition yeah ?

As for keeping keeping that feeling of how it feels after month a half... check out the "Eye Coach" - you can can even hit indoors with it. I've gotten one and it provides great training opportunities!
 

kokolo

New User
Hi, I have a 2 POG OS. One is 4 & the other is 4.5. I want to purchase the grommet from TW. Would the grommet fit my POG OS? Or the grommet would only fit the current Tour version? Appreciate your kind input.
 

Ultra 2

Professional
Hi, I have a 2 POG OS. One is 4 & the other is 4.5. I want to purchase the grommet from TW. Would the grommet fit my POG OS? Or the grommet would only fit the current Tour version? Appreciate your kind input.

They will fit no problem.
 

gvsbdisco

Semi-Pro
Is there a way to tell where a POG OS was made? I just got a 4 stripe; Oversize in gold at top; Graphite Oversize in Green on both sides of shaft. Gold Hologram sticker with a number on it. Prince patent 1987 statement on inside of throat. No mention of tension or country where it was made. It is a snick longer than my current version 107 and is pretty close in weight and balance. All black buttcap with raised P. Marked a size 4 but sure feels like a 3 to me.
 
Is there a way to tell where a POG OS was made? I just got a 4 stripe; Oversize in gold at top; Graphite Oversize in Green on both sides of shaft. Gold Hologram sticker with a number on it. Prince patent 1987 statement on inside of throat. No mention of tension or country where it was made. It is a snick longer than my current version 107 and is pretty close in weight and balance. All black buttcap with raised P. Marked a size 4 but sure feels like a 3 to me.

That's Made in Thailand.
 

joe sch

Legend
The Prince Original Graphites (POGs) are great playing rackets and many of the greats have played them. I used most of them at various times and the last version that I really like and played for years of tournaments was the Michael Chang Graphite Longbody Midplus. I still have a many of these great POGs in my racket stock including a few NOS gems.
 

jxs653

Professional
The Prince Original Graphites (POGs) are great playing rackets and many of the greats have played them. I used most of them at various times and the last version that I really like and played for years of tournaments was the Michael Chang Graphite Longbody Midplus. I still have a many of these great POGs in my racket stock including a few NOS gems.
I like thin beam OS racquets and absolutly agree POG is great playing racquet still today. I've got a dozen all of which are 4-stripes and earlier versions and love the nicely flexed feel over the years. One thing to add, I can't determine which racquet I play my best with, ProStaff Largehead, Ultra2 Lagehead, or POG OS. All of them are equally great frames.

By the way, technically Michael Chang Graphite Longbody Midplus isn't POG, is it?
 
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shamaho

Professional
Today marks my departure from the most venerable racket - the POG Mid - as my main playing stick !

I have been playing with it for the last dunno... more than year and half maybe two years (and before that was the classic graphite) - it has been a fantastic ride!

But nowadays seems like it requires from me that little extra physical effort to get the same spin and apower and control I get for free on more modern sticks, and not quite getting there.

Also somehow, and suddenly I can't find my rithm and zing on my best weapon - the kick serve... and makes something hurt on my shoulder.

I love it to death - and I thank the POG for having made me find my game and groove and gave bite to it! the feedback I get from the ball is simply unparalled - but it's time to get that extra zing on my game.

I'll be returning to the PS97 customized with a leather grip - for a crisper feel and more feedback from the ball.

To the POG Mid - my salute!
 

BlueB

Legend
Today marks my departure from the most venerable racket - the POG Mid - as my main playing stick !

I have been playing with it for the last dunno... more than year and half maybe two years (and before that was the classic graphite) - it has been a fantastic ride!

But nowadays seems like it requires from me that little extra physical effort to get the same spin and apower and control I get for free on more modern sticks, and not quite getting there.

Also somehow, and suddenly I can't find my rithm and zing on my best weapon - the kick serve... and makes something hurt on my shoulder.

I love it to death - and I thank the POG for having made me find my game and groove and gave bite to it! the feedback I get from the ball is simply unparalled - but it's time to get that extra zing on my game.

I'll be returning to the PS97 customized with a leather grip - for a crisper feel and more feedback from the ball.

To the POG Mid - my salute!
You can kiss your shoulder goodbye after that switch...

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shamaho

Professional
You can kiss your shoulder goodbye after that switch...

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I have played with the PS97 in the past (see sig), and even now recently - no pain whatsoever....
I'm curious, what was your experience to say that ?
 

t-swede

Semi-Pro
Where can i find s butt cap for a Prince graphite oversize straight shaft version i picked up 2 used ones and on one of them the trap door insert is missing making it 10 grams Lighter? Talked with tw customer service and they dont Carry any! Regards
 

BlueB

Legend
I have played with the PS97 in the past (see sig), and even now recently - no pain whatsoever....
I'm curious, what was your experience to say that ?
Shoulder pain is typically associated with a heavier racquet - PS97 in this case. It's stiffer too.

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shamaho

Professional
Shoulder pain is typically associated with a heavier racquet - PS97 in this case. It's stiffer too.

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The only issue there is.... the PS97 is much lighter than the POG Mid :) even after I added a leather grip to it (to the PS97 that is) - even with leather grip I'm about 10g lighter.

I have served with the POG Mid without issues until... one day (pre-confinement) I served one single serve to demo some technical aspect to soneone, competely forgot that I had not warmed up my shoulder.... and I tweaked something... then confinement, and on the return.... it started bugging me on serves with POG Mid.

Funny enough, they were completely absent when serving with a pure drive play (heresy I know :) but not only zero bother on the shoulder, and my serve ? oh boy...
That woke me up again to use more contemporary (and yes lighter) sticks and I had the PS97 gathering dust ....
 

joah310

Professional
Nice video. Anyway this modern version I suppose is much different from the original older versions (both one stripe and also 4 stripes)...of course the older are much better....
the newer tour model is similar to the 4 stripes, perhaps the 4 stripes is a little softer?, but similar feel and performance.
 

yatahaze

New User
the newer tour model is similar to the 4 stripes, perhaps the 4 stripes is a little softer?, but similar feel and performance.
I own a one stripe, but never used it, I only used a 4 stripes.....are you sure about that? I knew that the classic graphite made in china were much worse also than the 4 stripes
 

joah310

Professional
I own a one stripe, but never used it, I only used a 4 stripes.....are you sure about that? I knew that the classic graphite made in china were much worse also than the 4 stripes
perhaps qc might be worse. of the bunch definitely 4 stripes is the best. Ive got a few one stripes that I havent really hit with, but to me my tour and the 4 stripe feel pretty similar. of course opinion may differ depending on the player.
 

yatahaze

New User
Could please maybe someone make a resume of the first message, with all the different models/years/particulars that came in this 14 pages topic?
 

chazz

Rookie
the newer tour model is similar to the 4 stripes, perhaps the 4 stripes is a little softer?, but similar feel and performance.

That's been my experience as well. The tour version feels a tad bit "crisper" which I actually prefer. I get a bit more power from the tour version. Also the 4 stripe version swung a little easier but that could be qc differences because the two tour versions I have vary significantly in weight. There's a 10 gram difference.
 

yatahaze

New User
I don't have a link, but I do have a combination of information I've gleaned off several posts over the last few years. Any quotes (e.g., "worst version IMO") are opinions of TT posters.

  • POG 1: 1 green stripe, no grommets, teardrop head, no bumper; no printing on top or side or racket (possibly a sticker) except for "Prince" and "graphite" at throat, cork-filled - circa 1978
  • POG 2: 1 green stripe, , no bumper, individual grommets, teardrop head; no printing on top or side or racket (possibly a sticker) except for "Prince" and "graphite" at throat, foam-filled? - circa 1980?
  • POG 3: 1 green stripe, bumper, grommet strip, modern head, ave. 356g/10.5 HL; "graphite series 110" printed on side (later variation read simply "graphite 110"); "Prince" and "graphite" at throat; foam-filled; circa 1983
  • POG 4: 4 green stripes, grommet strip, modern head, bumper, ave. 345g/8.5 HL; Printing: "GRAPHITE" in gold on crossbar, "Prince" and "Prince" in gold at throat, "110" in gold at 12:00, "Graphite 110" in green at side; foam-filled; circa 1987. At some point printing shifted to "Graphite Oversize" on side and "Oversize" at 12:00, but I don't know whether this corresponded to 4a, 4b, 4c, or 4d.
    • POG 4a: box beam with sharp corners, solid, stiff, damped, silver hologram; "Series 110" on side
    • POG 4b: solid, slightly less stiff, slightly rounder edges, green hologram
    • POG 4c: rare, silver hologram, "Made In Taiwan" on other side, roundest edges, less HL
    • POG 4d: white primer instead of black; squared edges like POG4a
  • POG 5: "Straight Shaft", lighter, less HL, less stiff, "nice pop"
  • POG 5.5: "20th Anniversary" "specs seem to be different"
  • POG 6: "Tour" - latest POG, very stiff, least HL of all, feels like different material than all others, hollow contraction (?), "worst version IMO"

I saw a 1 stripe with bumper and grommet strips.....but with "Prince" and "Prince" in gold at throat
which model is that?
 

joah310

Professional
I've got a question. I have 2 pog mids that say midplus rather than 90. They are both 4 stripe. Are there any differences with the midplus vs th 90 or is it just different time of production?
 
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BlueB

Legend
The only issue there is.... the PS97 is much lighter than the POG Mid :) even after I added a leather grip to it (to the PS97 that is) - even with leather grip I'm about 10g lighter.

I have served with the POG Mid without issues until... one day (pre-confinement) I served one single serve to demo some technical aspect to soneone, competely forgot that I had not warmed up my shoulder.... and I tweaked something... then confinement, and on the return.... it started bugging me on serves with POG Mid.

Funny enough, they were completely absent when serving with a pure drive play (heresy I know :) but not only zero bother on the shoulder, and my serve ? oh boy...
That woke me up again to use more contemporary (and yes lighter) sticks and I had the PS97 gathering dust ....

Oops, my bad! I thought we were talking about RF97, which is a fair bit heavier then my POG. [emoji15]
Also, POGs differ from one gen to another. Single stripes are heavier then the 4-stripe or more modern ones.

Your serving experience with PD doesn't surprise me at all. Great to serve, crappy to play with (for me, at least).

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shamaho

Professional
I present to you my latest acquisition. All of this was this forum's fault.

Very good condition for a racquet that's my age. The previous owner told me he used it maybe 4-5 times in the 80s And then stored it. It still had the original grip, and I am assuming the original strings too.

Prince Graphite 90


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gorgeous! just gorgeous! congrats on your purchase.... now it screams for a gut/poly combo !
 

djNEiGht

Legend
I've got a question. I have 2 pog mids that say midplus rather than 90. They are both 4 stripe. Are there any differences with the midplus vs th 90 or is it just different time of production?
I believe it is time of produciton. I had a pair before but don't recall if both had the same side indication. On my OS, I've had one that said OS and the other 110.
 
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