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Nathaniel_Near
That's also my gut feeling but Djokovic has the world at his mercy at the moment to potentially prove the notion wrong. One wonders if he can back up this year with further dominance like Federer managed from 2006-2007. So far, Nadal or Djokovic were not able to back up a legendary year with another, though Nadal may have done so in 2011 were it not for the rise of Djo.
NatF
NatF
I don't really rate Nadal's 2010 that highly tbh. It's probably the weakest 3 slam season of the last decade IMO. But yes he would have probably won multiple majors in 2011 if not for Djokovic. Though I don't feel his standard of play that year was better than say Djokovic in 2012 - who happened to come across the toughest field of any year in the last 20 IMO.
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Nathaniel_Near
Same and overall IMO 2013 and 2008 > 2010. "Tennis isn't math". Yeah, also agree on 2012.
NatF
NatF
Clay season 08 - the same point in 2009 is Nadal's peak in terms of playing level. 3/4 slams, tons of masters, OG and abject domination of the #2 in majors.
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Nathaniel_Near
That makes a lot of sense really - no need to always demarcate things by calendar years after all. The combination of his mastery across all conditions in the span you speak of.. yes, Nadal's "peak", even over 2013 in which he mugged it on grass, though had incredible HC performance (check his top-ten wins in that year on HC alone).
NatF
NatF
2013 was surely Nadal's best sustained peak on HC, at times it seemed like he might be better on HC than clay. I do feel the top 10 that year lacked killer instinct or something. It was beginning to feel stale to me, but it was still strong. His most impressive triumph on HC or maybe anywhere is for me the AO 2009.
vanioMan
vanioMan
Nvm.
RF-18
RF-18
When I said Djokovic is a better player/more talented/completer in terms of tennis a few years back, when he had like 6 or 7 slams, I recieved alot of **** then too. Over the years he has made that more clearer. Seems like you two agree with that assesement. And I rate you two highly on here.
RF-18
RF-18
But of course, don't get me wrong, tennis is not just about being a better player, the mental game is atleast as important and that is one of Nadals main weapons wich he makes up for. He is stronger mentally than Novak.
NatF
NatF
You've received a lot of **** over the years RF-18.

It is ok.
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Nathaniel_Near
He is in their ballpark. I don't know who is better or worse. I've never agreed that Djokovic is more complete than all other players.. people confuse his "balance" with his completeness. You can see my view on my gut feeling for who is best but like I admitted Djokovic has the world at his mercy to prove that he's perhaps even better than Federer, and that it depends on the adaptations he makes from now.
vanioMan
vanioMan
Just a random "lol" passing by. Don't mind it.
NatF
NatF
Novak is balanced in terms of serve and return, forehand and backhand and he has good feel on the drop shot. His net game has improved but...on anything approaching medium pace the aggregate of peak Federer's strengths would prove to be superior IMO.
NatF
RF-18
RF-18
@Nathaniel_Near
The thing is his balance is special. The thing we have to do here is to seperate him from other balanced players like lets say Murray cause Novaks balance is on a different level. Every shot he executes is on a incredibly high level.
NatF
NatF
Murray is hardly balanced, not with that forehand and second serve. Your overrate how balanced Djokovic in terms of tennis history because you have little semblance of tennis history. Is Djokovic a special player? Yes. Is his 'balance' totally unique? No. It's rare but not unique. Federer is a more complete player than Djokovic.
RF-18
RF-18
If we take a look at Federer, Nadal and Murray there are stuff where we look at their games and can say, hey, that is not good enough. For example, Nadals serve is not that good, weak 2nd serve and his BH is a bit overrated. Murrays we have his 2nd serve wich is awful and annoys the hell out of people, Federers return annoys people to, and sometimes his BH against specific opponents.
RF-18
RF-18
What about Djokovic? Top 5 FH in the game, arguably the greatest BH of all time and no question the best BH in tennis today and has been for many years, his serve both 1st and 2nd is world class, his ROS and any return is also arguably the greatest ever and the best today, one of the best defenders we have seen, best mover, mentally strong, great offensive qualities and world class in dictating a tennis match.
RF-18
RF-18
You can't see any holes as other players. His net game is the only thing you could say is not world class, but it is still good and holds up. During FO I made a thread wich a statistic showed Djokovic was one of the most effective at the net. He has made alot of improvements there and you couldn't say it is bad.
NatF
NatF
Federer was one of the best returners of his era and even this year his new SABR technique is showing something new on the return. He got lazy with his returning because he could beat pretty much anyone off the ground. He was hitting return winners off Sampras' first serve back in 2001 and Philippoussis' in 2003.
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