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    Alan Trengove on Rod Laver. New Article

    PC1, Your assertion that to be ranked number one in the world you have to win the world tour is just wrong. In 1961 Rosewall was ranked number one in the world by many sources including L'equipe, Phillipe Chatrier , sutter, Christian boussus, peter rowley, Geist, tony trabert , john...
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    Alan Trengove on Rod Laver. New Article

    The fundamental rule is that all play counts towards world rankings not just the world tour. The pro majors and tournaments are just as important as the world tour. A pro major, like a modern slam, requires a player to win on the big, important occasion when it really matters against all the...
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    Alan Trengove on Rod Laver. New Article

    world tours pc1, I have to disagree. World rankings are always based on overall play not a proportion of it. Tha's true whatever year you do world rankings. The world tour was always only a proportion of play and thus not the whole picture of total play. You look at the pro majors...
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    Alan Trengove on Rod Laver. New Article

    1964 Just because a player wins the world tour does not automatically make you number one. Gonzales won every world tour played between 1954 and 1961, but that does not mean he was necessarily number one every year. Other play namely tournaments count as well. I rate sedgman as number 1 in...
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    Alan Trengove on Rod Laver. New Article

    1964 World rankings are based on total play; the organised series did consist of 19 tournaments(I have counted up Rosewall's 78 points) but that did not cover all 31 tournaments played in 1964. The series is faulty also because it gave no extra points to the pro majors. Just because the pro...
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    Alan Trengove on Rod Laver. New Article

    1964 The organised series consisted of 19 tournaments in 1964 more than 1959. Laver ended up playing 28 tournaments more than hoad's sixteen in 1959. I regard laver as clearly no1 in 1964. Overall he won 11 tournaments compared to Rosewall's 10. Laver won 2 major to rosewall's one. In the head...
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    Alan Trengove on Rod Laver. New Article

    hoad's activity Hoad played a lot of tennis in 1958 and 1959 because he was part of the world championship series of head to head tours. sedgeman did not play much tennis in '57 and '58 because he was not part of the head to head tours. The structure of the tour chaned in early 1960s. From july...
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    Alan Trengove on Rod Laver. New Article

    hoad's injuries 1961 is not 1964. Hoad's march 1961 injury was a different injury; he pulled a tendon in his foot. He was out of action for a few months. He came back in july 1961 as a full-time tournament player; in fact he played more tournaments than Gonzales and rosewall in 1961. It was the...
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    Alan Trengove on Rod Laver. New Article

    laver hoad Hoad's foot problem was in 1965 when he had operation in the middle of the season; he missed the usa and european section of the tour coming back to play in south africa. Hoad played a full season in 1964 with no lets up for injury. He played at least 24 tournaments not winning any...
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    Alan Trengove on Rod Laver. New Article

    laver hoad In 1964 laver crushed hoad 18-5 in all matches including beating him 7-1 in a tour of queensland. hoad's few wins incude 3 in new zealand but they are no where near countering laver's dpominance in tournament tennis. In 1963 hoad has a 12-7 edge which incudes the first 8. but...
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    WORLD NO. 1 (by year)

    pc1, For world ranking purposes kodes' wimbledon win of 1973, where only 3 of the top ten played, would earn considerly less points than the winners of the french and us opens in 1973. Similarly. the majority of aussie open winners in the 1970s would earn significantly less world...
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    WORLD NO. 1 (by year)

    1958 In my view the us pro was not a major in 1958. Rosewall and sedgman, 2 of the contenders for the world no1 spot, were absent from the us pro. Gonzales still only has one major the forest hills win. Us pro also did not deserve its major status in 1960,1961 and 1962. A major has to atract...
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    A GOAT list giving each era its due

    1958 rankings We will havve to agree to disagree. First I count the Aussie pro as a major because they are the four majors of today. It was not often playyed in the 1950's and 60's but when it attracts the best players (it had the top five in 1958) and had the best of five sets for the last 2...
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    A GOAT list giving each era its due

    1958 rankings The point about 1958 is that the head to head tour did not mean much in terms of world rankings. Hoad was only the 4th or 5th best player in 1958 looking at tournament results. So gonzales beating Hoad does not make him number one even if at the time all the publicity concentated...
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    A GOAT list giving each era its due

    world number 1 I disagree that gonzales has the longest run at world number one. In 1958 sedgman deserved the honour. He won 2 majors wembley(the most important event) and aussie pro whilst Gonzales won only one. He also had 4-2 head to head advantage over Gonzales in proper matches including...
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    Key events of 1969

    i would count the madison square garden open won by gimeno over ashe as one of the top 12 events. all the top players (ameteurs and pros) including laver played the event. I would rank it ahead of the us pro which was just a pro event. jeffrey
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    Pro Grand Slams in the Open Era - should they be valued then than pre-1968?

    In answer to the question were the pro majors best of 5 sets pre 1968 The french pro was best of 5 sets for every round the wembley pro was best of 5 for sf and final with the earlier rounds best of 3 The us pro was best of 5 for the final and best of 3 for all the other rounds. By...
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    WORLD NO. 1 (by year)

    1989 rankings I see becker as no1. He had a much better record in the majors than lendl. Becker lendl australian L16 w wct finals sf French Sf L16 Wimbledon W sf Us open W ru Masters...
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    Emmo’s Competition—how tough was it?

    emerson in 1968 emerson was not generally ranked in the top 10 in 1968. He failed to reach the sf of the 4 major events (french, wimbedon us open and PSW). He had losing records against Gimeno and Gonzales, the players who he was competing against for the last spots in the top 10. He won only...
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    WORLD NO. 1 (by year)

    response to carlo's comments of 4/7/2010 1) My comments on the points system underlying carlo's world ranking methodolgy were perfectly legitimate. At no point did i make any comments personally attacking carlo. All i did was state that one apsect of the points system when taken to its logical...
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    Lack of Stan Smith videos

    smith/laver laver also beat smith in a one set match in 1976 at the wct tournament in houston. WCt had a consolation singles event for first round losers in 1976 and the matches were played on a one set basis to 10 games. jeffrey
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    Rosewall v. Laver

    rosewall gonzales thank you andrew for the great information. The incline valley event in 1969 is new to me. do you have the result of the final for this event ? jeffrey
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    Why Laver didnt win a slam after 1969?

    laver and slams in the 70s laver played wimbledon '70 and us open '70. he played aussie '71 and wimbledon '71. He was barred from playing aussie '70 and french '70 because of his ntl contract. He withdrew from french and us opens in'71 citing mental tiredness. Other wct players played both...
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    Amazing things I learned about BORG

    you keep combining '78 and'79. that's wrong. '78 connors was great. connors was poor in '79 and his performances against borg all year and mcenroe on the big occassions proves it. connors played ok in the wimbledon '78 final and played well in us open final of '78. in '79 connors played poorly...
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    Amazing things I learned about BORG

    reply to pc1 you should be doing '79 on its own and you definitely should count all those bad losses to borg. connors was great in 78' ; but connors was lousy in '79. there was a huge differnce between the 2 years and they should not be linked at all in any calculation. Win loss percentages are...
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    WORLD NO. 1 (by year)

    rosewall no1 egn's record of rosewall is correct. Rosewall deserved only to share 1960 with gonzales.In '61 rosewall just sneaked out number one because of his win at the french pro over gonxales, but Gonzales won 6 events including the world series to Rosewall's 4 which included the 2 majors...
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    Amazing things I learned about BORG

    connors was at his worst in 1979. All the matches I saw him play were mediocre that year ; namely the pepsi, wct sf against mcenroe and wimbledon. connors played far better in 1981 against borg. carlo is correct that his ground strokes were at their best in the 81 wimbledon sf. He's also...
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    Amazing things I learned about BORG

    i saw all of their wimbledon matches. Connors played his best tennis in the 1981 match and his worst in the 1979 match. The only problem connors had in 1981 was his service which had no penetration on it; connors only served one ace and that was a second serve. In contrast borg's first serve...
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    Amazing things I learned about BORG

    extra borg connors matches thank you carlo for listing 40 matches. the other 2 matches are: copenhagen 4/3 1980 connors won 6-4,6-2 providence civic centre 6/2 1983 connors won 6-4,6-4 connors therefore won 5 matches against borg during borg's peak years of 77-81. connors dominated up...
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    Amazing things I learned about BORG

    the point is that 14-8 number you quote includes matches that did not carry atp points. The counting is inconsistent and wrong when you include a few exhibitions and exclude others As far as l'm concerned all matches count and so called official matches do not exist. connors leads the head to...
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