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    If they finish at 20/20/20, whats then?

    if the no of slams decide who goat is, then win rate is the most logical tie-breaker in case of a tie. So, Nadal (20/60) it is ...
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    US Open 2019 Court Speed Indication Thread

    Federer does not agree. In his on court interview after the match just now, he said it plays a bit like clay and he is disappointed by it ...
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    Federer / Nadal and djokovic difference

    Beethoven was the greatest, Mozart the ultimate genius, but none could compare to Bach :))
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    Three reasons why I think Nadal is currently very dangerous

    What does “measuring his effort” in regard to a single stroke even mean? That Federer or Djokovic deliberately return weaker than they could? Why would they do that? At best it just draws out the game and at worst it invites defeat! Or does anybody really think Djokovic did not want to win...
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    Brad Gilbert declares Djokovic as the best he has even seen.

    Gilbert ... if Nadal wins, he will marvel how he has never seen a warrior like him, the greatest of all time! If Federer wins, he will marvel at the unique artist that Federer is, the greatest of all time! If Nagal wins, he will marvel at how he has never seen a talent like him, one day...
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    If Federer hadn't come before Nadal and Djokovic, absolutely nobody would be calling him the GOAT

    which is why you take it out of the equation. And therein lies the fallacy ... rewarding Djokovic for not being good enough!
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    If Federer hadn't come before Nadal and Djokovic, absolutely nobody would be calling him the GOAT

    lol, the last two are just rewarding Djokovic for being late to the party ;)
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    If Federer hadn't come before Nadal and Djokovic, absolutely nobody would be calling him the GOAT

    Federer and even more so Nadal might as well be better Tennis players now than 10 years ago. Does not mean, that they are necessarily harder to beat though. Find me a quote where Federer says that he moves better, has better stamina, more focus. That makes all the difference in playing a guy...
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    If Federer hadn't come before Nadal and Djokovic, absolutely nobody would be calling him the GOAT

    Agreed, 2011 was amazing, no matter what anybody else did! It was one of those years that ATG tend to have, when everything comes together. And still, Federer could go toe to toe with him even then. I'm not favoring one over the other ... peak to peak it is a toss-up between them. It is...
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    If Federer hadn't come before Nadal and Djokovic, absolutely nobody would be calling him the GOAT

    not as unique as you make it out to be! Might as well say the same of Nadal. He is 6:2 vs Moya, 2:0 against Ivanisevic, 2:0 against Agassi, 2:0 against Henman ;)
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    If Federer hadn't come before Nadal and Djokovic, absolutely nobody would be calling him the GOAT

    Federer vs Djokovic FO/US 2011, after those 2 matches it should be clear to anyone that Federer would do just fine peak to peak against Djokovic! No need to overcomplicate things. The reason for Djokovic being the strongest of the big three since 2014 is clearly his superior movement since then...
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    Was Agassi mentally weak?

    Looking back at the rivalry of Sampras vs Agassi. Can someone explain to me why Agassi was so devastated by the one loss against Sampras at the USO 95? It is not like he was owned by Sampras back then, the H2H was 8:8 and he had beaten him at AO earlier in the year. How can one loss against...
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    Players with dominant H2H records over all main rivals in the 70s, 80s, 90s

    Same thing with Borg by the way. If Nadal for example retires at the same age, end of 2011, he would have retired with a comfortable h2h advantage against anyone as well ...
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    Players with dominant H2H records over all main rivals in the 70s, 80s, 90s

    Although it has to be said, that he largely was clutch in conditions that favored him, at WIM and the USO. He is 12:3 in finals there, which is great obviously. But then, Federer until 2012 is 12:2 at the same tournaments and does not get that recognition. For all his greatness, I feel, that...
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    Sampras and the French Open: a misunderstanding of mythical proportions

    'It doesn't have to be this year, or next year . . . but if it takes me five years, 10 years even, I want the French.' That is from the man himself in 1994 ...
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    Was Sampras a servebot?

    Sampras had a great ground game. It was Annacone that turned him into an almost pure S&V player around 99, thinking that would give him greater longevity. With Luxilon becoming a thing, that was one truly bad decision! By 2000 (watch his match against Kuerten at the Masters Cup) he played a game...
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    Federer vs Sampras- who is the better US Open player?

    But changing technology had a lot to do with it. Sampras had tailored his game for fast courts and completely turned himself into a S&V-player by then. Bad decision actually, as the game went into the opposite direction. Hewitt and Safin exposed that ...
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    Federer vs Sampras- who is the better US Open player?

    Going by level of play, I agree. But don't underestimate the psychology of it. Nadal dreaded playing Djokovic by that time, but had no doubt against Federer. Also, Federer would have gone into the final feeling more tired. I just do not think, that he would have come through another 5-setter...
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    Federer vs Sampras- who is the better US Open player?

    2010 and 11 were not really unlucky, since Federer would have lost both finals to Nadal back then anyway. Particularily in 2011, Nadal probably cried in front of the television when Federer missed match-point! All told, I give the tiniest edge to Sampras, simply based on the impression, that he...
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    Weeks at #1 is an irrelevant record

    Across all surfaces he was not ...
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    Weeks at #1 is an irrelevant record

    ... but also skipped an entire part of the season which explains that #2 finish just fine. Weeks at #1 is much more controversial and Federer himself is the perfect example. He has a grand total of 6 or 7 weeks there since the AO 2017 ... weird story-telling to say the least ;)
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    Nadal sets epic record !!

    Of course, Federer as opponent in a major semi-final is a good measure of how good one (in this case Djokovic) is. Not sure, what your incoherent rambling is about though ...
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    Nadal sets epic record !!

    Maybe you want to ask whether Federer feels the same. I'm sure he is still embarrassed by having lost to the weakling that Djokovic was back then ...
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    Let's play the game--what if the Big 3 were all born in 1981?

    No goat discussion please, can be fun but not on this forum. You still did not adress my point. Would you not find it insulting if somebody suggests you lost a sporting contest not because you faced a great opponent on the day but because you are a mental midget?
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    Let's play the game--what if the Big 3 were all born in 1981?

    What does that have to do with my point? By the way, discussing who is goat is at best a fun discussion, says a lot that you think "a true" tennis fan should not do that and just accept it is Federer ;)
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    Let's play the game--what if the Big 3 were all born in 1981?

    Do some Fed fanatics here actually realize how insulting it is to Federer to constantly claim he lost to Nadal basically only because he developed a "block"? Any true sportsman will accept a defeat knowing the opponent was better on the day, insinuating that it was (23 times at that!) because of...
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    Which active player is a natural matchup nightmare for Nadal?

    It is not that easy. Nadal loves playing with a very clear pattern, to the point that he can become quite predictable. The one shot that breaks that pattern and keeps the opponent guessing is his forehand down the line. He did not need that one against Federer after 2010 though, pounding the...
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