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    2020 ATP Finals - Official Thread

    Yeah, just saying that if it would be tough for Rublev (assuming he wins today) to pass Nadal (assuming he wins on Thursday). He'd have to make up a 10 game deficit.
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    2020 ATP Finals - Official Thread

    And Nadal is currently +3 in games and Rublev would be -6 (if he wins this set 7-5) or -7 (if he wins this set 7-6).
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    Players who have won exactly 1 Major Title and whether that over- or under-rates them

    Stich - Underrated -beat peak Edberg & Becker to win Wimbledon 1991 -won WTF 1993, going 5-0 & beating peak Sampras in the final -Masters Series titles on clay & hard -year-end #2 in 1993 -finals at both the French & U.S. Open -won the 1992 Grand Slam Cup, beating Edberg, Krajicek, Sampras &...
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    Aside from slam count, which Single factor most significant ?

    I'm not saying that either stat favors Nadal. I'm just saying that, all else being equal, I'd prefer a player with, say, 6 Majors, 2 YE#1s, and 50 weeks at #1 to a player with, say, 6 Majors, 1 YE #1, and 70 weeks at #1.
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    Aside from slam count, which Single factor most significant ?

    They do largely overlap, but, all things being equal, years at #1 should be more important. Assume Player A & Player B enter, say, 2025 as co-#2. Player A wins the Australian Open to take #1 and holds it for most of the year, with Player B finally overtaking Player A for #1 by winning WTF...
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    2020 Roland Garros Mens QF: Dominic Thiem [3] vs Diego Schwartzman [12]

    The strategy of Diego coming into net when he hits a shot that is likely to produce a slice backhand from Thiem is paying dividends. It will be interesting so see whether Dominic is able to make an adjustment.
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    So, Who Had Eugenie Bouchard...

    Agassi, Graf, and Gil Reyes?
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    2020 Roland Garros - General Discussion (ATP)

    Medvedev also lost to Chung in the SF of the 2017 Next Gen ATP Finals in a 5 setter, but it was first-to-4 games each set: 4-1, 4-1, 3-4, 1-4, 4-0
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    Weeks @ #1 vs you know what ...

    I don't see an issue here, but maybe I'm missing something. Player A is ostensibly the best player in 2020 and thus justifiably finishes year-end #1. Player B is then the best player from February 2020-February 2021, May 2020-May 2021, August 2020-August 2021, etc. But, Player A was the best...
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    Weeks @ #1 vs you know what ...

    But I don't really see the problem with this. For example, Agassi was #1 for 30 weeks in 1995. Sampras was #1 for only 22 weeks in 1995. But Sampras was year-end #1 because he was the better player over the course of 1995 as a whole. The way I see it, (a) Sampras definitely should have been...
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    Weeks @ #1 vs you know what ...

    This isn't about YEC, it's about YE#1.
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    Weeks @ #1 vs you know what ...

    Why? Player A could win WTF in, say, 2024, and then have a very similar 2025 as Player B, with Player B finally getting #1/YE#1 by winning WTF at the end of the year in 2025. In this scenario, Player B was the best player in 2025.
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    Weeks @ #1 vs you know what ...

    But isn't that more of an indictment of weeks at #1?
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    Weeks @ #1 vs you know what ...

    All else being equal, Years at #1 > weeks at #1, in my opinion. Assume Player A & B have identical years outside of 2 years in which Player A was Year-End #1 (spending a combined 30 weeks at #1) and Player B spent a combined 60 weeks at #1 but did not finish Year-End #1. Player A would be the...
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    Worst coaches of all time

    Mauresmo? She had mixed results w/Murray, but she coached Bartoli to the 2013 Wimbledon title and was part of Azarena's team when she was ranked #1.
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    Worst coaches of all time

    Todd Martin coached Mardy Fish from 2007-July 2009 when he finished ranked #39, #24, and #55. Then, in 2010 and 2011, Fish had his career-best years, finishing #16 and #8. Then, from August 2009-April 2010, Martin coached Djokovic and screwed up his serve. Of course, in 2011, Djokovic would go...
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    Longest sets of all time

    97 minutes for set 2 in Nadal/Djokovic Madrid 2009?
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    ATP 1000: Italian Open 2020

    I don't think any men's player in the Open Era has ever won their first Major and the won the next Major. Connors did win the 1974 Australian Open for his first Major, was banned from the French, and then won Wimbledon 1974 (and the 1974 U.S. Open).
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    Is this the worst 5 set final of all time?

    Maybe Gerulaitis/Lloyd in the 1977 Australian Open (December) final.
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    Genie Bouchard back in a WTA Final

    Gil Reyes, Graf, and Agassi working their magic.
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    JJ Wolf is legit good

    ...and his hair was perfect.
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    Comparing Murray's stats to Edberg/Becker

    I was responding to the post that said every single Wimbledon draw between 90 and 99 (bar 96) was tough. A washed up Becker in 97 (retired after the tournament), Woodbridge and the mighty Pioline was not a tough draw. It was as easy as they come. That much is irrefutable. That wasn't the...
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    Comparing Murray's stats to Edberg/Becker

    My point is just to say that, in this hypo, Murray could have a 1996 draw w/Krajiceck as his only tough opponent. In any other year from 1990-2000, he's playing at least 2 great grass players.
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    Comparing Murray's stats to Edberg/Becker

    You're missing the point. If Murray were born in 1970, he would need to beat Sampras in 1997 to take the Wimbledon title along w/players like Becker, Stich, or Henman.
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    Comparing Murray's stats to Edberg/Becker

    1996 is pretty much the only Choose Your Own Adventure draw from 1990-2000. From 1990-1995 and 1997-2000, Murray clearly would have had a tougher draw than he had in 2013 and 2016. In 1996, he could have had an easier draw, but he also could have had a brutal draw like Stich/Sampras/Krajicek.
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    Comparing Murray's stats to Edberg/Becker

    The two years Murray won Wimbledon, he had: 2013: QF: Verdasco; SF: Janowicz; F: Djokovic 2016: QF: Tsonga; SF: Berdych; F: Raonic That's 2 of Murray's 3 Majors. If Murray is born in 1970, he likely would have faced a tougher Wimbledon draw every year from 1990-2000.
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    Comparing Murray's stats to Edberg/Becker

    Between the 1991 French Open and the 1993 French Open, Courier played the French three times and the Italian Open twice (the only clay Masters Series event he entered). He went 32-1, beating Edberg, Stich, Agassi(x2), Muster(x3), Bruguera(x2), Costa, Medvedev, Ivanisevic(x2), Korda, Mancini...
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