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    Somewhat controversial opinion:2007 WB F Nadal was more ferocious and slightly better from the baseline than 2015 F Djokovic

    There’s a difference. Injured baby Grassovic took the first set against Nadal in 2007, unlike Federer who vultured the third in 2016 after Djokovic started messing around because of what a p*ss take the first two sets were.
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    Djokovic and the race for 310/311

    Djokovic would have already broken the record by now if not for COVID and you know it.
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    What happened to Nadal's mental strength?

    Yeah lets just pretend that Sampras had an unwavering belief in himself that was completely independent of the fact that he had the single most potent weapon on the court each and every time he took to it. All confidence is derived and all belief is founded in one's physical and technical...
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    Wimbeldon 2006 Federer vs Wimbeldon 2012 Murray?

    It was an exaggeration, but certainly not too far off. It regularly gets used to rewrite history and downplay Djokovic’s level in the first two sets of that match by a certain subsection of Federer fans.
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    Wimbeldon 2006 Federer vs Wimbeldon 2012 Murray?

    Most Djokovic fans including myself accept that Federer probably has the higher peak at the US open, unlike *some* Federer fans who like to rewrite history and claim Federer's superiority in every conceivable department.
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    Wimbeldon 2006 Federer vs Wimbeldon 2012 Murray?

    Alright big man lol. It’s either arrogance or insecurity, you pick one.
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    Wimbeldon 2006 Federer vs Wimbeldon 2012 Murray?

    You're obviously not familiar with metsman's posting history.
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    Wimbeldon 2006 Federer vs Wimbeldon 2012 Murray?

    Lol funny how when baby Djokovic is serving for both of the first two sets against peak Federer in 07 it’s a case of Federer messing around, yet when Federer takes the third set of the AO16 semi after getting absolutely obliterated in the first two it’s proof that peak Federer beats peak...
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    ATP finals SF 2020: Novak Djokovic vs Dominic Thiem

    Djokovic vs Thiem is the first match on tomorrow.
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    Why was the Federer Nadal 2007 Wimbledon Match so close?

    Because there’s not as much in it between peak Federer and peak Nadal at Wimbledon as most people on this forum think.
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    Peak Djokovic vs Peak Federer...... splitting hairs?

    Lol sorry dude but there’s no way anyone is gonna convince me that peak Djokovic on clay isn’t gonna take one of those matches to five sets. Freaking Puerta gave Nadal a tougher time than Federer did in 2005.
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    Peak Djokovic vs Peak Federer...... splitting hairs?

    At the end of the day, all of metsman’s hugely overblown assertions regarding Nadal’s physical inferiority in the 2010s and the massive decline in his clay form which supposedly resulted are simply attempts to deflect from Djokovic’s success against him and to downplay the (IMO) damning fact...
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    Peak Djokovic vs Peak Federer...... splitting hairs?

    No doubting that some of his claims hold weight, my issue is that he asserts all of his opinions as if they are fact. Based on the stuff I’ve read from him I’m pretty sure the guy thinks that peak Federer being favourite against any version of Nadal at RG post 2012 is an unquestionable truth.
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    Peak Djokovic vs Peak Federer...... splitting hairs?

    I genuinely can’t tell if some of the claims you make with such incredible levels of conviction are parody or not. The most memorable off the top of my head was the claim that 06 Federer beats 12 Nadal at AO. If it’s not parody, lets hope they never invent a time machine because I don’t know how...
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    Rublev is going to be the Tour finals whipping boy

    He beat the winner of the tournament who had already progressed from his group and had next to nothing to play for.
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    "Neo BH" and peak "I/O FH" in the same match: Federer and how bounce matters more than surface in Fedal matchup.

    Nadal was still faster, but it certainly looked like he had lost more speed relative to his peak in that final than Federer had to my eye. Combine that with the fact that Nadal has always played a more attritional game that relies a good deal on his physicality and you can see why the match up...
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    "Neo BH" and peak "I/O FH" in the same match: Federer and how bounce matters more than surface in Fedal matchup.

    Watch the AO17 final again and tell me Nadal wasn’t more affected by his decline in foot speed than Federer was. He looked a shadow of himself physically.
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    This result should make people realize how special Novak Djokovic really is

    After all the crying about Schwartzman being tired in the Rome 2020 final, Nadal fans should never say a word about Djokovic being a tough opponent in 2019 after coming from very hard matches against Del Porto and Schwartzman (and in night sessions).
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    Relive the match that all but broke Nadal mentally against Djokovic. Rome 2011 F in full.

    By that logic it should have been impossible for a worse version of Djokovic in 2013 to push a (probably) better and more confident version of Nadal as hard as he did in 2013. Djokovic has been known to raise his level against Nadal in the past. Had Djokovic lost to Murray in Australia in 2012...
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    Relive the match that all but broke Nadal mentally against Djokovic. Rome 2011 F in full.

    Djokovic did not achieve a single result on clay in 2015 to suggest he was playing even close to the level of 2011 where he straight setted a prime Nadal twice. You can’t claim that Djokovic was more dominant in 2015 than he was in 2011 and start making deductions based on said claim without...
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    Relive the match that all but broke Nadal mentally against Djokovic. Rome 2011 F in full.

    It’s easy to claim in retrospect that Nadal’s wins over Djokovic in 12-14 were somehow inevitable, and people are even using 2020 (even though the Djokodal match up today looks absolutely nothing like it did 10 years ago) to support this belief that regardless of the conditions and form heading...
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    Relive the match that all but broke Nadal mentally against Djokovic. Rome 2011 F in full.

    2006, 2007 and 2020 have absolutely zero informative value when it comes to what would have happened in 2011. The other years are more informative but as other posters have said the dynamic in 2011 going into RG was completely different than any other year given Djokovic’s dominance over Nadal...
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    Relive the match that all but broke Nadal mentally against Djokovic. Rome 2011 F in full.

    Says the guy who’s constantly criticising Djokovic for dropping his level in 2012-14 and failing to maintain a ‘peak’ as long as Federer’s. If Djokovic dropped his level significantly in said timeframe as you claim then maybe it’s best not to extrapolate his form in those years to events in...
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    Relive the match that all but broke Nadal mentally against Djokovic. Rome 2011 F in full.

    Also by the time RG 2011 rolled around Djokovic had only won one of the four slams. In 2013 he was already beginning to put pressure on himself to complete the set.
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    Relive the match that all but broke Nadal mentally against Djokovic. Rome 2011 F in full.

    Novak was playing at peak level for a while in that final like I said, but you also have to factor in that he had come off a 5 hour semi against Murray. When Djokovic hit his stride towards the end of the second set it was actually a pretty one sided match. Under normal circumstances he wins...
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    Relive the match that all but broke Nadal mentally against Djokovic. Rome 2011 F in full.

    I’d favour Djokovic slightly at Wimbledon and Nadal slightly at USO, but I agree it’s close at both.
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    Relive the match that all but broke Nadal mentally against Djokovic. Rome 2011 F in full.

    I kinda disagree with you and feel that the 2012 final is actually pretty good evidence that peak Djokovic beats peak Nadal in Australia fairly handily on average. I do agree that Djokovic’s AO 2012 form is pretty underrated on this forum, it’s a top 3 showing from him down under behind 2011 and...
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    2020 Paris- Bercy Masters General Discussion.

    Foot speed appears to have declined fairly substantially even since then. He still masks it pretty well on clay though.
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    AO 2012 Fed vs AO 2012 Djokovic ?

    Nadal in 4 sets max.
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    Rublev has game and mentality to beat Novak in Australia

    You can’t beat Djokovic from the back of the court with pace exclusively. Rublev doesn’t generate the angles requires to beat a well playing Djokovic at this stage, especially not over 5 sets.
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