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    Big 3: Top 5 match wins at each slam

    We'll measure based on everything ranging from drama, historical importance, quality, and level of play. Federer Australian Open: 1. 2017 F vs Nadal 2. 2004 F vs Safin 3. 2017 SF vs Wawrinka 4. 2010 F vs Murray 5. 2018 F vs Cilic French Open: 1. 2011 SF vs Djokovic 2. 2009 SF vs Del Potro 3...
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    My two cents on Andy Murray's legacy

    On the surface it may seem like the big 3's recent slam wins in their 30s while Murray sits on the sidelines, semi-retired, has left the Scot in the dust and killed any chance of him being remembered as part of the big 4, but many don't seem to look at it on the flip side. In the last 15 years...
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    Every slam final since 2017 with no-big 3

    2017-present seems to recognized as the era of the big 3 being past their best date but still winning a lot of big events and being ranked as the top 3 in the world. So have the rest of the field really been that inconsistent or have the big 3 continued raining on other players' dreams of...
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    (Edited thread): Nadal and Djokovic have had ATG careers since turning 30

    Nadal’s achievements since June 3, 2016: - 6 majors (4 RG and 2 USO) - 8 major finals - 2 year-end number ones + 2 year-end number twos - 68 weeks at number one - 7 Masters titles - 17 overall titles - 2016 Olympic gold in doubles - 2019 Davis Cup Title - 86% win rate Nole’s achievements since...
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    Nadal and Djokovic have had ATG careers since turning 3

    Nadal’s achievements since June 3, 2016: - 6 majors (4 RG and 2 USO) - 8 major finals - 2 year-end number ones + 2 year-end number twos - 68 weeks at number one - 7 Masters titles - 17 overall titles - Olympic gold in doubles - Davis Cup - 86% win rate Nole’s achievements since May 22, 2017...
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    Naomi Osaka: The new queen of hard courts

    In the last 3 years, Osaka has been a force on hard courts on the WTA Tour. - 4 majors (2 AO and 2 USO) - 2 Premier 1 Titles (Beijing and Indian Wells) + Premier 2 Title in Tokyo - Won 34 of her last 36 matches at HC majors - Won her last 10 three set matches at HC majors Her path to those...
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    Players that would've hypothetically been match-up nightmares for players from another era

    So really any current player who would've had a very good match-up on a former player or a former player who would've had a good match-up on a current player Pete Sampras in his prime would've been a nightmare match-up for Daniil Medvedev. Pete's serve and volley, along with his all out attack...
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    Big 3 losses to players born in the 1990s (note: very short list)

    Federer: 2016 Wimbledon to Raonic (b. 1990) - lost next match 2019 Australian Open to Stefanos (b. 1998) - lost 2 matches later 2019 US Open to Dimitrov (b. 1991) - lost next match Nadal: 2014 Wimbledon to Kyrgios (b. 1995) - lost next match 2016 US Open to Pouille (b. 1994) - lost next match...
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    Sascha Zverev has now lost 12 slam matches where he was up a set at some point in the match

    Zverev might be the worst front-runner among top 10 players in recent memory. At just 23 years old, he's already lost 12 matches at majors where he was up a set at some point in the match. 2016 RG - won the first set against Theim, lost in 4 2017 AO - up 2-1 against Nadal, lost in 5 2017 WI -...
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    Will Nadal, Djokovic and Serena pass Federer and Court's slam count, respectively?

    A lot of history is on the line right now in men's and women's tennis. Nadal just tied Fed last fall at 20 and is looking for #21 to break the tie Djokovic is the furthest behind chasing his two rivals at 17 but is the youngest among the three Serena at 23 is one slam away from tying Court...
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    The longevity of 21st century ATG athletes

    I remember when I first started watching sports, turning 30 was basically an athlete's sign to put one foot into their retirement home. Nowadays, it seems to be the polar opposite. - Tom Brady just won his 7th Super Bowl at 43 years old (he's won more SB's since turning 37 than he did before)...
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    What age is considered "old" to you?

    Genuinely curious what age people think of when they hear the word "old": Is it when one eclipses the average age of the country they reside in? Is it during the progression of one's 40s when they might start feeling that their bodies aren't as sharp as it once was and/or when society starts...
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    Tennis stats that make your brain go "Wtf"

    Here are some stats I found: The 2010s was the first decade in men's tennis history where no player born two decades prior (1990s) won a slam WTA players born in the 2000s have more slams than ATP players born in the 1990s David Ferrer has beaten Nadal more times at HC majors than Federer has...
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    Rank each 5-year stretch (by birth years) from "strongest" to "weakest"

    Starting with 1945-1949 and ending with 1995-1999 (years ending in 0-4 are one 5 year stretch and 5-9 are the other 5) 1. 1985-1989 - Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka, Del Potro, Cilic, Berdych, Tsonga & Nishikori 2. 1970-1974 - Sampras, Agassi, Courier, Chang, Rafter, Ivanisevic, Bruguera...
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    Zverev's "interesting" H2H records against his peers from summer 2018 onward

    From summer 2018 onward, Zverev's H2H numbers against his peers is quite "interesting" to say the least. Against the younger players, he is: 0-4 vs Thiem 1-3 vs Medvedev 0-5 vs Stefanos 0-2 vs Shapovalov 0-2 vs Khachenov 0-1 vs metal hip Murray (in all seriousness, prime Murray would've...
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    Which slams eventually lost by each big 3 member would've gone down as some of their most impressive major titles?

    For Federer: 2009 US Open - would've beat in-form versions of Soderling, Djokovic and Del Potro to win title likely en-route to "Roger Slam" 2011 French Open - would've beat Wawrinka, Monfils, peak Djokovic, and prime Nadal to win title 2019 Wimbledon - would've beat Nadal and Djokovic...
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    Toughest loss for each big 3 member every season (from first slam final season onward)

    Federer: 2003 - Montreal vs Roddick 2004 - Olympics vs Berdych 2005 - AO vs Safin 2006 - RG vs Nadal 2007 - RG vs Nadal 2008 - WI vs Nadal 2009 - AO vs Nadal 2010 - USO vs Djokovic 2011 - USO vs Djokovic 2012 - WTF vs Djokovic or Olympics vs Murray 2013 - AO vs Murray 2014 - WI vs Djokovic 2015...
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    Do most pro tennis players speak multiple languages?

    It seems as though most players in tennis seem to have good command of at least 2+ languages. Just a few examples: - Federer speaks English, German, Swiss-German and French - Nadal speaks English, Spanish, French and Catalan - Djokovic speaks too many languages to count - Thiem speaks...
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    Who is the strongest tennis nation right now (ATP)?

    It's quite a diverse field of nations in the top 100 right now. Here are some of the top candidates: Canada - Shapovalov (12), Raonic (15), FAA (21), Pospisil (61) Spain - Nadal (2), RBA (13), PCB (16), Ramos (46), Andujar (59), Lopez (63), Verdasco (65) Russia - Medvedev (4), Rublev (8)...
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    Players who have had surprisingly impressive longevity (non-big 3)

    Gael Monfils was named ATP rookie of the year way back in 2005 and as of 2020/2021, he's still ranked 11th in the world at 34 years old. Given his play style, I would've thought he'd break down years ago. Fabio Fognini is 33 years old but he's still ranked 17th in the world even though I've...
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    Is it an unpopular opinion to say Borg was a better player than Sampras?

    In terms of peak, versatility and what he was able to do in such a short time, I think Borg has some decent arguments. Borg won 11 Majors at 25 years old (most for anyone that age, even more than Nadal and Federer) Borg won 15 Masters titles compared to 11 by Sampras Borg won 3 straight...
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    Wanna feel old thread: Tennis edition

    We are closer to the 2030s than the 2008 Wimbledon final Marat Safin's famous win over Sampras in NYC in Y2K was more than half a lifetime ago for the tall Russian Instagram did not exist the last time Federer won the USO & RG and Nadal won AO & WI iPhone's did not exist the last time Federer...
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    2012 was an epic year in sports

    2012 was quite a year in the sports world looking back. Lots of great stories, tons of ATG/GOAT-level performances, strong fields, many tight match-ups, and usually any year with either the Olympics or WC is a great season in sports. Here are some of the notable highlights: In Football: -...
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    Why are some Federer fans on here so harsh on Thiem?

    He seems like a really chill and respectful young man, his style of play is exciting to watch and he also hits with a pretty backhand too. I like Fed the most among the big 3 and Thiem is my fav player under-30, which seems to be a rare combination these days. I see a good chunk of Federer fans...
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    Who was the greater player in the 2000s (2000-2009): Roddick or Djokovic?

    Roddick achieved: - 1 slam - 4 Masters Titles (3 RUs) - 27 overall titles - 76% win rate - 4 GS runner-ups - 2003 Year-End number one - 13 weeks at number one - 4 wins vs Fedal (2 vs Federer; 2 vs Nadal) Djokovic achieved: - 1 slam - 5 Masters Titles (6 RUs) - 2008 WTF winner - 16 overall...
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    Which Federer losing streak vs Djokodal has "hurt" his GOAThood more?

    Federer has had two separate 6-match losing streaks against Djokodal at slams, with 4 of them coming in GS finals during both stretches. vs Nadal: - 2008 French Open finals: lost 1-6, 3-6, 0-6 - 2008 Wimbledon finals: lost 4-6, 4-6, 7-6, 7-6, 7-9 - 2009 Australian Open finals: lost 5-7, 6-3...
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    Golden era in each sport

    Which stretches would you consider a golden era in each sport that you either follow or are aware of? IMO: In men's tennis, I can confidently say 2005-present has been a golden era with Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka, Del Potro, etc. Prior to that, I'd say 1978-1993 was a constant...
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    Has there ever been an era in any other sport similar to the big 3 era in tennis?

    I feel like the answer is no mostly due to their longevity but I'm curious if there was an era like this in any sport. There have been many duos who are both ATG/GOAT candidates who have dominated for a very long time (Messi/Ronaldo, Magic/Bird, Evert/Navratilova, Schumacher/Hakkinen...
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    The big 3 have three of the cleanest reputations among all-time great athletes

    We need to appreciate how good of sportsmen they are to not just be great on the court, but to also not be caught in any scandals that could damage their careers and even lives. I know they shouldn't get "props" for being quality people, but when you look at all-time great athletes, you won't...
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    Biggest upset every year on the ATP Tour (2000-present)

    I feel like I did a thread like this a while back, but if so, it probably needs an update anyways. Here are some off the top of my head: 2000: Kucera def. Agassi at RG OR Clement def. Agassi at USO 2001: 19-year old Federer def. Sampras at WI 2002: Bastl def. Sampras at WI 2003: Karlovic...
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