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    Women's professional tennis prior to the WTA.

    A fellow poster was asking about women's professional tennis references prior to the formation of the women's tour in 1968. We know very little about them. I will start by quoting my own post which references the professional efforts of Alice Marble and Mlle. Lenglen. "I always assumed that...
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    The majors are overhyped.

    I honestly think we have gone too far turning the majors into the' holy grail'. Few people here even bothers to look outside the majors, and the number one ranking and head to heads, We treat the entire tour as though it is meaningless - except it needs to mean something if we want top...
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    The lucky slam ( men or women).

    In my view all champions with a small or large stack of majors, have at least one maybe - or two 'lucky slams'. Those are the ones where half the seeds fall early, two get injured and what's left in the final ain't all that major either - and then that lucky call at 6-5 deuce! Its earned...
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    The German championships Men and Women: the forgotten clay court venue

    One cannot help but learn something about former tennis greats or near greats perusing the lists of championships and finalists at the German Championships. there are surprises in there. We simply do not pay these scores much attention and trivia slips by under our noses. For example, this...
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    Underperforming Down Under

    This idea started from my hypothesis that there were players who did better on Aussie Grass than English lawns, and I was curious if the reverse was true. Were there players who flourished on American or English lawn, that seemed to do less well on Aussie grass.? I couldn't think of any...
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    vultures.

    Why do we sneer at vultures or 'vulturing'? If a player is not an excellent 'vulture' they never get near the kind of career win/ loss stats great players attain. Matter of fact, you can't do well in any season without being a successful vulture gaining nutritional advantage from the young...
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    How do we quantify and measure 'mental toughness'

    Literally everyone these days seems to concur that the WTA is full of mentally weak players, who lack the mental and emotional spine of those of yesteryear. I can't count the number of posters sneering that Serena 'era' is compromised by mental midgets and the chorus gets boost from former...
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    Who beats Evert at W, if Martina doesn't?

    Like all of these threads, there are way too many variables we simply cannot anticipate if Martina had decided to be a florist or a farmer instead of a tennis player. Obviously there is a vacuum where Martina is not taking another's players experience, confidence and opportunities away at...
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    Navratilova's record at RG.

    My second in a series on the weak links in the GOAT candidates. Using Wiki, I examine Navratilova's RG record to see if just what it looks like with more light. She played singles 13 times from 1973-2004, winning 2 of the 6 finals she reached. 1973 - unseeded Martina beat 2 unseeded players and...
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    Courts Wimbledon record.

    Truly the most obvious knock on Court as a GOAT candidate is not her Aussie success, or her politics, but the paltry number of Wimbledon singles trophies she walked away with and I want to know where they disappeared to. I thought we should look at it more closely. This we know. One of the...
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    Deception.

    Which players have the most deceptive strokes. Which player has the most difficult to read serve, groundstrokes, volleys, dropshot, lob, passing shots etc. One name comes to my mind in all these categories. Well - John McEnroe. Nobody seems to have a clue out there what he is going to hit or...
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    tells

    yep a poker term "A tell in poker is a change in a player's behavior or demeanor that is claimed by some to give clues to that player's assessment of their hand. A player gains an advantage if they observe and understand the meaning of another player's tell, particularly if the tell is...
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    The most difficult shot 'in the book'

    Forgive my ignorance. I am not much of a player at all with virtually no match experience outside a public court match here and there. so every shot is the hardest one for me to hit right if I am obliged to hit one. So I have to ask this question of others who actually play a lot. Over the...
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    Why have there been more 'out' women then men on the circuit?

    (We have King, Navratilova, Gigi Fernandez, Mandlikova, Raymond, Stubbs and Mauresmo and Dellaqua since 1973 ) unless there is far more homophobia in the ATP than they want to admit with their 'pc' statments. I recall Ashe saying he had not seen or heard of any gay male players in his day or in...
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    who would one lobby to have a thread pinned?

    Now I asked this elsewhere, and a moderator mikeler suggested I lobby here somewhere, because said moderator did no know how to 'pin a thread' and or whether it might get a receptive response. So before I start persuading, I want to know that I am persuading the right person. Its for...
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    simple recommendation on a thread read.

    Not sure if I am allowed to do this, but I will actually recommend that Former pro players check out a thread in General pro talk entitled "Federer H2h 12-0 excluding losses" Its just full of great humor, much of it self effacing, in the form of satire/ parody, and it could just as easily...
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    The neverending 'era' argument.

    We have all seen the pattern here on Former Pro Player Talk. Two partisans championing different players inevitably ends up with someone claiming the hidden variable explaining statistical disparities was the 'joke era' of supposedly pathetic competition. Within a post or two, out come the...
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    Evert v Jordan video

    I have not posted one of these in a long time, but Kathy Jordan deserves one. You HAVE to see this backhand groundie if nothing else. Very unorthodox stroke with a ton of underspin, and virtually no other option off that wing. Remember this lass managed 3 victories out of 12 encounters over...
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    Navratilova vs Court on clay

    A more intriguing question than Court and Evert on clay, is to compare Court's clay record with Navratilova. I easily see these two as the best s/ver's ( women) to play on clay. they are virtually the only two with any extensive success. This is the easy part. Court beat Turner Bowery...
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    Evert losses after winning the 1st set. 22 times in 20 years

    Includes every tournament match and every team match (Whiteman cup/ fed cup) from 1970-1989 . all 'Junior' tournaments excluded. 1972 Maureen Connolly Brinker Memorial Classic QF lost to Billie Jean King [4] 6-7, 6-3, 7-5 *1972 All-England Championships SF lost to Evonne Goolagong [1] 4-6...
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    A hard post to word.

    Those who know me well will appreciate how difficult this post is to choke out. After over a decade on this forum, fellow posters Gizo and Dolgopolov85 have done the near impossible. They have made a compelling case, that it is possible that matter in our universe, could have been concentrated...
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    Evert/Navratilova's last pro match.

    Well this is some snippets of history from the VSlims of Chicago 1988 on fast carpet. Martina may be the best carpet player all time, and Evert was more likely to have sporatic results on this surface than any. Its a 16 minute highlight clip of mediocre quality, but that shotmaking was...
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    An sincere appreciation

    Tennis historians, I am regularly astonished by the kind of work that shows up in these threads, I have no idea where you guys ( are there any women amongst you here at Talk Tennis?) find the time to do this work so meticulously and tenaciously. Amateur tennis historians ( who's going to pay...
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    Hingis compared to Evert.

    first what I think we can agree on. Evert is tougher mentally, more competitive and more disciplined while Hingis is more versatile, less predictable and more creative. As I have said before, while they both have the mind of a champion, Evert has the heart of a champion as well. This is...
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    Joan Hartigan Bathhurst (1912-2000) Aussie Champ.

    ( I was bored and decided to pick a name) Hartigan was Aussie champion in 1933,1934, 1936. Her real claim to fame may be that she was the first Aussie to make an international name for herself. She bought tickets and played Europe as a force, from 1934- 1936, reaching the semi finals at...
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    Piece of triva about Lori McNeil.

    not sure if this trivia means something but it may be without parallel. Evert lost 38 times in majors. Lori McNeil is the only player who ever beat her who never reached a single final. Now that does not seem all that amazing when you know how Evert almost always put her opponent in the final...
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    Evert's near misses in majors before the semis/ QF.

    'That famous 52 of 56 semis, and 54 of 56 QFs could have looked a lot worse. Beyond Jordan, McNeil, Sanchez and Garrison, there were some very sobering scores, defined as being one game or break or TB from defeat. Here they are. 1. That very first '71 US Open 2R def. Mary Ann Eisel 4-6...
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    Evert's Har- tru record ( 1970-1989) too good to bury.

    Here is Evert's record on green clay. It only includes adult Open tournaments (I am assuming if it was clay and was held in the States or Canada it was Har Tru, anywhere else was red. If some can point out an error on type either way, please correct me) Pay close attention to the year and city...
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    The one match Evert wishes she could replay ( as of 2015!)

    Saw a short interview with Evert. I was sure I knew all her answers as I have heard so many, but her answer to this question surprised me a bit. I am sure it reflects a definite post career distance and her choice definitely has its own internal reasoning but it is not one that I would have...
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    Evert's doubles record

    I guess I have run out of things to say about her singles play. Here's the web page from which I am getting all this. http://www.chrisevert.net/doubles.html In majors: Events played: 38 women’s doubles, 8 mixed doubles Grand Slam doubles titles: 3 Elsewhere Career doubles titles, non-Grand...
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