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    Have Nadal and Djokovic had greater competition in slams than Federer?

    Yeah maybe. But again I didn't think Roddick was a great athlete either.
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    Have Nadal and Djokovic had greater competition in slams than Federer?

    I was talking about athletic ability, speed and power combined, so I don't think Roddick can be compared to the younger generation now
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    Have Nadal and Djokovic had greater competition in slams than Federer?

    From an athletic point of view I would say yes. Guys like Medvedev, Thiem and Zverev are just on a higher physical level than Safin, Roddick, Haas, Black etc were. From a quality pov they might be even but again if you can beat guys in their 20s when you are in your mid 30s that's harder than...
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    If McEnroe never existed how many slams for Borg and Connors?

    You mean me? No, that's not what I implied. I meant that Mac hadn't even reached his peak before '84 so I didn't think that was the reason why Borg left. And whether Mac didn't won more slams because he was upset that Borg left or because of something else I don't know. What I meant was that...
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    The big 3 have three of the cleanest reputations among all-time great athletes

    Maybe in swimming he is, even though I guess he hasn't reached the popularity of Phelps, Spitz, Thorpe or even Biondi but then again I am no swim expert either so I might be wrong. My point was that he is definitely not an alltime great athlete overall, at least not on the same level as Jordan...
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    If McEnroe never existed how many slams for Borg and Connors?

    Yeah I don't buy the Borg retired because of McEnroe rumour either, since he was still fairly young and champions usually don't back off like that from a challenge. If at all McEnroe should have been the reason for Borg to continue playing tennis for more years. You can be certain that Federer...
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    Wasted Potential Among Greats

    Becker simply didn't live professionally enough and he lacked McEnroe's passion for tennis. In his first 5 years on the tour he mostly relied on his talent, will and natural power. It wasn't until he turned 26 when he started to train more professionally and regain some success but his injuries...
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    The big 3 have three of the cleanest reputations among all-time great athletes

    First of all Tanya Harding is not an alltime great athlete by any means, not even in ice skating and the same goes for Lochte and Pistorius lol But anyway, what we need to consider here are an athlete's upbringing, his social status and maybe even whether he plays in a teamsport or solo. I...
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    A Question for Big 3 fanboys......

    we should be happy if/that the AO are being played in the first place
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    Wasted Potential Among Greats

    Yet at the same time Becker beat Lendl in their AO '91 final pretty much from the baseline. He went in for the big points only. He did the same to Agassi in their WB match in 1995, it's not like Becker was coming in all the time, he played pretty well from the baseline and was mixing it up well...
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    Federer's slam h2h vs the other big 3 members

    It's the same topic that we have talked about a milion times before but I will say this: the Wimbledon '08 and AO '09 Nadal is probably the strongest version of any of the Big 3 that I have seen in the recent 15 years. Even though he went to tough 5 setters against Verdasco and Federer twice I...
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    How many Wimbledon titles would Federer have won on fast grass?

    lol A guy who serves 112 aces in a single match and still loses to someone called de Bakker 0:3 in the next match. Isner and Mahut served more aces in that match combined than Ivanisevic in Wimbledon 1992 overall.
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    Poll : Murray - ATG player or not ?

    There is no definition of an ATG unless you have to be a top 10 all time great, then obviously Murray is not. 20 years ago Becker, Edberg and Wilander would have definitely been called ATGs though, so aren't they anymore? Nobody can define what an ATG is. Even being No. 1 in the world doesn't...
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    Boris Becker in Trouble

    He did. For instance 2 ex-wives, about 20 girlfriends and another baby-moma
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    Most wins over ATGs - Federer had none of the best 24 seasons

    Yes of course. If say Berrettini wins the next 8 slams in a row, he is still not an ATG because he is 2 finals shy of reaching Murray level.
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    ATP AWARDS : Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award Nominees etc

    What does Djokovic actually have to do be even nominitated for the Academy...I mean Sportsmanship award?
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    No tennis player will have the epilogue of the true GOAT of GOATS Diego Maradona

    I stopped watching the NBA regularly around 2002 I believe and mostly because it wasn't broadcasted anymore since I don't live in the USA. I have heard that the rules have been changed too in the NBA, to benefit players but I can't comment on that. Isn't it funny that many major sports such as...
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    No tennis player will have the epilogue of the true GOAT of GOATS Diego Maradona

    So? Ronaldo scored 12 penalties last season, I don't see anybody complaining about that. Not to mention that Maradona was more marked than any player anyway during the catenaccio era
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    No tennis player will have the epilogue of the true GOAT of GOATS Diego Maradona

    Ferrara only played once against England after Italy had lost to Argentina in the semis, which is not relevant at all, I mean it's a game for the 3rd place most players don't even want to play. Even Berti played 3 or 4 games, some from the start. De Napoli yes, he was a solid member as I said...
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    No tennis player will have the epilogue of the true GOAT of GOATS Diego Maradona

    He was a great player in Napoli but he never played a single minute in 1990 because Italy had all the players from Milan, Inter and Juve. He became a regular player for Italy after he went to Juventus. Zola didn't play much in his first season in 1989/90 (Napoli's last season they won the...
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    No tennis player will have the epilogue of the true GOAT of GOATS Diego Maradona

    I mean one thing is incrdib Are you serious? Napoli had the weakest of all great teams in Italy. Di Napoli was solid yet never a world star, Bagni left Napoli after their first scudetto since he was 32 aready and didn't even play for Italy anymore. Ferrara only became a star player once he...
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    No tennis player will have the epilogue of the true GOAT of GOATS Diego Maradona

    yeah buddy, that's why we have been talking about football all the time lol
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    No tennis player will have the epilogue of the true GOAT of GOATS Diego Maradona

    We are on a damn tennis forum and have been talking for 2 days or so about Maradona who had not played a single game for like 23 years, which just proves what a big name and status he has lol
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    No tennis player will have the epilogue of the true GOAT of GOATS Diego Maradona

    Exactly what I said he gets past defenders because they are not allowed to tackle him hard enough. Btw Iniesta and Xavi are world champions, just like a couple of other Barcelona players, so Messi is obviously dependent on them in Barcelona. It's like arguing with a 12 year old kid. lol We...
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    No tennis player will have the epilogue of the true GOAT of GOATS Diego Maradona

    The world cup performances mirror a player's performances in the club, at least when it comes to Maradona's career because he was fouled the same way in Argentina, Spain and Italy and had to deal with the same defensive tactics and physicallity. That's where Messi lacks. His WC and even Copa...
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    No tennis player will have the epilogue of the true GOAT of GOATS Diego Maradona

    No I am focussing on context to show you that those 5 CL trophies, national titles and goals have taken place under the best possible circumstances because you can build a team of 11 Superstars now and have the protection of the refs as well. The fact is that World Cups are played on the highest...
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    No tennis player will have the epilogue of the true GOAT of GOATS Diego Maradona

    He won 2 other titles in Barcelona. However he only played 58 matches and scored 38 goals. He got his ankle broken and was out for months and then he got infected with hepatitis. In both his seasons he only played 17 games I believe and scored 11 or 12 goals in each season. Again you have to...
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    No tennis player will have the epilogue of the true GOAT of GOATS Diego Maradona

    As most Messi (and Ronaldo fans) you are using general stats to confirm him as the GOAT without context. Let's settle something down here just for the records though. Messi and Ronaldo will become GOATS as far as club titles, scorings, Ballon D'or etc goes and they well deserve it. But these...
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    No tennis player will have the epilogue of the true GOAT of GOATS Diego Maradona

    That's exactly why your Whitney > Maradona popularity contest makes no sense at all. Remember that ****ty Gangman style song or whatever it was called? It reached like over 2 billion views or more on youtube yet I can't even name the artist because nobody cares about him and not many people will...
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    No tennis player will have the epilogue of the true GOAT of GOATS Diego Maradona

    Agreed but as far as the hand of god goes, people need to finally realize one thing: Maradona had been fouled and tackled countless times on the pitch, he is the most attacked player in world cup history, that's a fact! And he was fouled many more times without the defenders being booked for it...
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