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  1. zagor

    Put Sir Andrew Barron Murray in the 2003-2009 era instead of Federer, how does he do?

    Nowhere near is an exaggeration, they have the same number of slam titles (which is what this thread is about mainly). Murray has had a more stellar career obviously but Stan was more scary when he was zoning and mentally tougher in bigger matches than Murray.
  2. zagor

    Put Sir Andrew Barron Murray in the 2003-2009 era instead of Federer, how does he do?

    Certainly less than TTW experts would have you believe. Murray always had clear, objective weaknesses in his game that are way too often brushed aside. It's not that he lost to the big 3 so often, it's that many of his losses were such routine, one-sided affairs. Let's look at slams: AO - We...
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    Why does Murray dislike many of the younger guys?

    Eh, no. It's up to every one of them individually whether they're gonna respect him or not. It's not their job to hype Murray (that's for British media and TTWers), they're his competitors on court who want to kick him out of the tourney. If anything the last few generations showed way too much...
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    Why did it take until late 2014 for Federer to overtake Murray in their H2H?

    He was wearing a compression shirt already at AO and had a very low ace count in a 5 setter against Tsonga in the previous round (and Jo is a poor returner). Fed's back already flared up in 2012 several times and he quite simply overplayed that season (around 90 matches). It's not something that...
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    Why did it take until late 2014 for Federer to overtake Murray in their H2H?

    Now now historian, stay on topic in your own thread.
  6. zagor

    Why did it take until late 2014 for Federer to overtake Murray in their H2H?

    The only time Murray beat Fed in a slam was in one of the worst seasons of Fed's career. To put it in terms a Nadal fanboy like the OP would understand, it's like holding Nadal's slam losses in 2015 against him. Other than that, Murray went down to Fed in slams in pretty routine fashion (half...
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    Why did it take until late 2014 for Federer to overtake Murray in their H2H?

    Fed started focusing more on masters again when his slam level of play decreased. Don't think it has much to do with anything else given how easily he handled Murray in slams at the time.
  8. zagor

    Why does Murray dislike many of the younger guys?

    I reckon he feels he was better than them at his best (and well, he's likely right) and is envious of their "without the big 3" career prospects.
  9. zagor

    Federer vs Djokovic . Who is greater?

    You're asking me to split hairs here, it's two periods very similar in strength with the last year in both cases being the weakest. I'd say 2004-2006 had a bit more depth while 2014-2016 was a bit more top heavy but on aggregate level, there really isn't much separating them. Flip a coin.
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    Federer vs Djokovic . Who is greater?

    Oh 2011 is a stronger year, one of the strongest I've seen actually. That certainly doesn't mean however that I believe 2007 Fed wasn't a better player in slams than 2011 Fed.
  11. zagor

    Federer vs Djokovic . Who is greater?

    Playing from the baseline? Yes, I genuinely believe they wouldn't (ditto for Fed), grass had dead bounce in those years. It's not about who's a better overall baseliner but about who could adapt to those specific conditions (which don't exist today). Playing all-court tennis Novak would be a...
  12. zagor

    Federer vs Djokovic . Who is greater?

    Nah, he won the tourney while dropping just two sets in early rounds. One against Lopez who played out of his skin in the 1st set and the 2nd to Isner in tiebreak which can happen to anyone (heck, it happened to Nadal at the FO). Fed struggled in masters in 2007 but he was still very much money...
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    Federer vs Djokovic . Who is greater?

    Given that no baseliner plays anything like Agassi, not really. He was unique in terms of how early he took the ball and how clean his ballstriking was. Partly because of his innate gifts and partly because of the training methods his father (a former boxer) employed while he was growing up.
  14. zagor

    Nadal vs Federer. Who is greater?

    Fedr for now, but I think Nadal has a few more slams in him despite being the most injured sportsman in the history of the universe.
  15. zagor

    Nadal about to miss his 28th masters event on HC since 2008

    That's because he's so mentally tough and such a fighter that he can just decide he isn't injured anymore as soon as he steps on clay, or something. Players who actually had their careers sidelined by injuries are mental midgets in comparison, if only they had Nadal's humble fighting spirit.
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    Federer vs Djokovic . Who is greater?

    You know my opinion on nex-next-next genners but credit also has to go to Novak's tenacity when backed up against the wall. Dude won so many high profile dogfights. He also takes great care of his body, he really aged about as well as possible in terms of physicality. You could be right about...
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    Federer vs Djokovic . Who is greater?

    Credit to Fed for reaching all time top 10 while dealing with chronic back injuries, knee surgeries and mono. Amazing resilience and fighting spirit, he'd be top 5 easily without all those unfortunate setbacks. There's still time for Nadal to get into top 10 too, maybe if he vultures another FO...
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    Federer vs Djokovic . Who is greater?

    Think that's were the distinction between better and greater comes in. Novak leads in all the important metrics when compared to Fedal, he seems to be winning the marathon race between the big 3. He also won the Nole Slam, which is a big factor IMO. Evaluating level of play/ability however...
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    Nadal is massively underrated outside clay

    Don't think so. He reached very high level at his peak on HC and grass but he also plays in an era where both of these surfaces are far more friendly to CC players in general. Also, no YEC or big tourney indoors save for one Madrid title. He has a distinct vulnerability when the ball stays low...
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    Shots like these really make me miss Federer

    Fed's parents work in a pharmaceutical company? Hmmmm, that explains a lot.
  21. zagor

    Nadal was closer to Fedovic on their best surfaces than they were his

    Have to agree, Nadal's A game on HC and grass is pretty damn good. 2008 Wimbledon, 2009 AO, 2010 USO, his level of play was scary in those.
  22. zagor

    Police called in to separate Nick Kyrgios and his girlfriend after verbal altercation

    Eh, he's a rich and famous athlete. He'll get girls regardless of his personality, don't think it's a key factor in his case either way.
  23. zagor

    Nadal vs Djokovic. Who is greater?

    I think it's an important factor to consider actually. Most of the new talents seem to be copying Novak's game the most, he sort of layed a blueprint for the style of tennis effective at the top level.
  24. zagor

    Nadal vs Djokovic. Who is greater?

    Accounting for injuries, the Nadal. Morally, Nadal has 30 slams. I've followed the game since the Fred Perry days and Nadal is the biggest moral champion I've ever seen in tennis, by far.
  25. zagor

    Relive the heavyweight champion's magic in animation

    You think Tyson's gonna stomp again? When his head is screwed on right he's really one of the best to ever do it (it's ridiculous how well he moves and how slippery he is for such a huge guy) but who knows what his state of mind is at the moment, not sure he even had covid. And obviously Wilder...
  26. zagor

    Relive the heavyweight champion's magic in animation

    You watching heavyweight boxing? Gypsy King Vs Wilder part 3 in a few days.
  27. zagor

    Why did Nadal dominate Federer on outdoor courts from 2008-14?

    Kinda late for that in regards to the OP, given that he's the same guy who claimed Nadal would have won 30 slams without injuries (that of course almost never came during CC season).
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