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    Two hands and doubles virtuosos

    A thread on early two handed male players prompts this. If you look at many of the early men with double handers, like Bromwich, MacMillan ,McGrath even before Connors, was that several were so accomplshed in doubles. It has me questioning my assumptions on double handers playing that net...
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    A cute little Evert factoid, probably never duplicated in Pro tennis.

    I draw your attention to this tournament draw from 1972 from the Evert site. Virginia Slims Masters (Apr. 11-16; St. Petersburg, FL, clay, seeded 4): 1R def. Pam Austin 6-0, 6-0; 2R def. Corinne Molesworth 6-2, 6-4; QF def. Karen Krantzcke 6-1, 6-7, 6-1; SF def. Billie Jean King [1] 6-2...
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    Best female athletes of the 1970's

    Lets stipulate the criteria first. I am talking strength, speed, agility, balance, hand/eye coordination and I am talking about the whole package combined in a box and wrapped with a ribbon. I think its pretty clear that Court was the best athlete of the early 70's. That box is stuffed to the...
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    The back breaker points/shots.

    You know what I mean. Its that point or series of points late in a match that figuratively break the spirit of an opponent. That moment when he or she knows that the stars are just not alligned right that day, or when the person on the other side, has climbed so far into the ozone, that there...
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    Evert's third major final. What I know.

    "The 1974 Australian Open was a tennis tournament played on outdoor grass courts at the Kooyong Stadium in Melbourne in Australia and was held from 26 December 1973 to 1 January 1974. Goolagong beat Evert 7-6, 4-6, 6-0. There were 8 seeds and a draw of 56. "...
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    I think this may be their best. Evert -Navratilova Eastbourne 1979

    The year before Navratilova won 9-7 in the third, but we now have the 1979 Eastbourne final with Evert/ Navratilova on full display. Its everything we heard it was. Three full hours of just great tennis. It was played in good spirit, with the lines getting as much beating as the balls did...
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    Is this the most solid consistent record for a # two player in a season?

    People normally think of 1984 as a relatively 'poor' year for Chris, because they are once again only looking at the Evert-Navratilova rivalry and the fact she was #2. She never threatened for # 1, never took it from Martina even for a single week, never beat her and only took one set in 6...
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    2 new full matches Evert v Austin on YT + a 3rd.

    Total destruction. How healthy Tracy was here is a question having been out with back trouble but she did not seem in actual pain, denied not being healthy and early round play did not suggest a problem. She was definitely stiff and really having trouble getting to Evert's wide shots so there...
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    The three great two handers.

    I always found it odd that within a 4 year span three all time greats soared to the very top of the sport, with double handers when they lived, trained far apart, never went to the same academy or had the same coaching in a world, where very rarely was a two hander was sitting in the top five...
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    Radio tennis play by play .

    Many decades ago, while watching ESPN, with Cliff Drysdale and Fred Stolle, their visual feed went out for several points. Cliff happened to be working with a man who actually did radio broadcasting 'back in the day' and Fred managed to convey the action on the court in real time by...
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    Soon to be pro player talk. Its amateur hour!

    We talk a lot more around here about what these players did after turning pro than we do before they turned pro. These champions and near champions did not really play their first competitive matches when we pretend they did. Nope they competed in junior leagues, in junior and high school...
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    1988 Wimbledon semifinal Navratilova-Evert

    This was to be the last match these two played in a major and Chris had won both their 1988 meetings in Australia and Houston in straight sets so this was high drama (again) You better hurry before they take this down. Bad first set (6-1 for Martina) but Evert begins to relax and play much...
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    The best and worse 'self assessors' in post match interviews.

    This thread about a players ability to accurately describe in a succinct few words in their interviews post win or loss a match, its ebbs and flows, or those tactics/ shots that brought the result. They are not overly deferential or falsely modest, nor do they brag, and boast so that the entire...
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    Navratilova Mandlikova Head to Head.

    Note this is actually backwards from the usual chronology. First listing is their last match. Last listing is their first. I actually have not looked for patterns in the Martina- Hana Head to Head. I won't have time to post any analysis. Work beckens early in the morn. But lets see what...
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    Bud Collins Annual World rankings.

    I recall that Bud Collins referenced annual top ten player lists in his Tennis Encylopedia that preceded the WTA, and ATP rankings. I think they were voted on by tennis writers who covered the sport, but I cannot find any links to any world ranking lists that cover say, 1957, or 1938 however...
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    Down the center tactics.

    Whether we are talking about rallying from the baseline, hitting a pass hard straight at a volleyer, or aiming and approach shot deep down the center, o, or hitting volleys down the middle of the court, the idea is to deny angles which one's opponent can use to create their own angles, , to...
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    Women's professional tennis prior to the WTA.

    A fellow poster was asking about women's professional tennis references prior to the formation of the women's tour in 1968. We know very little about them. I will start by quoting my own post which references the professional efforts of Alice Marble and Mlle. Lenglen. "I always assumed that...
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    The majors are overhyped.

    I honestly think we have gone too far turning the majors into the' holy grail'. Few people here even bothers to look outside the majors, and the number one ranking and head to heads, We treat the entire tour as though it is meaningless - except it needs to mean something if we want top...
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    The lucky slam ( men or women).

    In my view all champions with a small or large stack of majors, have at least one maybe - or two 'lucky slams'. Those are the ones where half the seeds fall early, two get injured and what's left in the final ain't all that major either - and then that lucky call at 6-5 deuce! Its earned...
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    The German championships Men and Women: the forgotten clay court venue

    One cannot help but learn something about former tennis greats or near greats perusing the lists of championships and finalists at the German Championships. there are surprises in there. We simply do not pay these scores much attention and trivia slips by under our noses. For example, this...
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    Underperforming Down Under

    This idea started from my hypothesis that there were players who did better on Aussie Grass than English lawns, and I was curious if the reverse was true. Were there players who flourished on American or English lawn, that seemed to do less well on Aussie grass.? I couldn't think of any...
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    vultures.

    Why do we sneer at vultures or 'vulturing'? If a player is not an excellent 'vulture' they never get near the kind of career win/ loss stats great players attain. Matter of fact, you can't do well in any season without being a successful vulture gaining nutritional advantage from the young...
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    How do we quantify and measure 'mental toughness'

    Literally everyone these days seems to concur that the WTA is full of mentally weak players, who lack the mental and emotional spine of those of yesteryear. I can't count the number of posters sneering that Serena 'era' is compromised by mental midgets and the chorus gets boost from former...
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    Who beats Evert at W, if Martina doesn't?

    Like all of these threads, there are way too many variables we simply cannot anticipate if Martina had decided to be a florist or a farmer instead of a tennis player. Obviously there is a vacuum where Martina is not taking another's players experience, confidence and opportunities away at...
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    Navratilova's record at RG.

    My second in a series on the weak links in the GOAT candidates. Using Wiki, I examine Navratilova's RG record to see if just what it looks like with more light. She played singles 13 times from 1973-2004, winning 2 of the 6 finals she reached. 1973 - unseeded Martina beat 2 unseeded players and...
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    Courts Wimbledon record.

    Truly the most obvious knock on Court as a GOAT candidate is not her Aussie success, or her politics, but the paltry number of Wimbledon singles trophies she walked away with and I want to know where they disappeared to. I thought we should look at it more closely. This we know. One of the...
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    Deception.

    Which players have the most deceptive strokes. Which player has the most difficult to read serve, groundstrokes, volleys, dropshot, lob, passing shots etc. One name comes to my mind in all these categories. Well - John McEnroe. Nobody seems to have a clue out there what he is going to hit or...
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    tells

    yep a poker term "A tell in poker is a change in a player's behavior or demeanor that is claimed by some to give clues to that player's assessment of their hand. A player gains an advantage if they observe and understand the meaning of another player's tell, particularly if the tell is...
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    The most difficult shot 'in the book'

    Forgive my ignorance. I am not much of a player at all with virtually no match experience outside a public court match here and there. so every shot is the hardest one for me to hit right if I am obliged to hit one. So I have to ask this question of others who actually play a lot. Over the...
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    Why have there been more 'out' women then men on the circuit?

    (We have King, Navratilova, Gigi Fernandez, Mandlikova, Raymond, Stubbs and Mauresmo and Dellaqua since 1973 ) unless there is far more homophobia in the ATP than they want to admit with their 'pc' statments. I recall Ashe saying he had not seen or heard of any gay male players in his day or in...
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