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    Darlene Hard passed away (1936-2021)

    I wonder how much heat she had to take to even take Gibson as a partner, let alone kiss her on the cheek in 1957. This would NOT have been a popular choice among many Americans and the Americans in Tennis circles were no better than any other demographic. It always took some courage back then...
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    Martina Navratilova won 21 WTA Finals (8 singles, 13 doubles)!!!!

    its a strange thing that for decades, many a devout and great baseliner seemed rather comfortable serving and charging on the doubles court round after round, seeing it as great practice for their volley, half volley and overhead, get some extra time on the court, getting a feel for their...
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    What are your regrets as a fan for your favourite player(s) ? (Like u feel your player should have done something different)

    Evert had a reputation for having the best return in the game for most of her career, and it is a well deserved rep, but oddly, she made a huge tactical error throughout most of that same career playing that return of second serve too conservatively against baseliners. Whether she chose to...
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    WTA suspends all tournaments in China due to ongoing blackmail of Peng Shuai

    Yes I guess I have in the sense that the actual burden of proof of the foundational facts in a defamation suit changes depending on the local statutes, and how they are written.
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    WTA suspends all tournaments in China due to ongoing blackmail of Peng Shuai

    No it doesn't not here in the States at least. She does not have to meet any burden proving her assertions at all. Its the plaintiff who has to prove that facts alleged are false statements as an element of their prima facie case, not the other way around. Her 'lack of substantiation', does...
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    WTA suspends all tournaments in China due to ongoing blackmail of Peng Shuai

    The WTA just made this is much more stark cut cost/risk analysis for the CCP. They are going to need to revisit some rather complacent assumptions about their 'worst case scenario' here. Its beginning to get hot, and that air conditioner is not working very well.
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    Players' comments which backfired spectacularly

    This does not qualify. Its more of a cute faux pas story. Evert has done a string of interviews with the past WTA champions. She is interviewing Hingis about her confidence level as a junior. She asks her about about her early success in the junior French Open championships ( twice she won...
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    Wilander vs Courier on clay

    On clay, things being fairly equal, I normally look at the comfortable relaxed footwork, the instinct behind the slide. Wilander was born with clay between his toes. Courier was pretty much a cement foot. Its a real advantage on those biggest points to have grown up practicing, playing...
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    Martina Navratilova won 21 WTA Finals (8 singles, 13 doubles)!!!!

    It all depends on what you do with those doubles and mixed doubles titles, and how much if any weight you are prepared to give them. The entire GOAT list alters considerably but Its hard to get people to talk objectively and clinically about that question.
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    Check out these old greats on vid

    I have been wanting to see Nastase playing on clay forever. This was a great treat.
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    I never realized just how ridiculous Chris Evert's levels of consistency were

    Yes I understand that point, there is no way on grass to leave many of the greatest grass courts off when 3/4 majors were played on grass, but to get these 'stats' right, we have to come up with the right criteria and the right measuring stick, wiki be damned. So how should these minimum...
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    I never realized just how ridiculous Chris Evert's levels of consistency were

    We certainly have to have a minimum figure. Playing and winning a single match on hard courts is a 100% victory stat. So here's a question for our statistician types. ( I am most definitely NOT included) How would we calculate this minimum # of wins intellently? Would it be smart as a first...
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    I never realized just how ridiculous Chris Evert's levels of consistency were

    Thank you. You appear to have a reasonable case. I will look into it later as time permits.
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    Players' comments which backfired spectacularly

    I am rarely agitated by your content. I am bemused by it. The total lack of subtilty or nuance in what you attempt to do, is actually very refreshing. A bit like Graf having her own version of Kayleigh McEnany right here in TF to spin very topic, every discussion the 'right' direction...
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    I never realized just how ridiculous Chris Evert's levels of consistency were

    'Games' listed? Do you mean matches? Can you link me to something on this?
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    Players' comments which backfired spectacularly

    that will depend on which rackets they are playing with, the ones Austin built her game around, or the ones Steffi built her game around. They were entirely different styles and strokes and games, each structured specifically for the times they were built for. Graf's forehand would be...
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    A cute little Evert factoid, probably never duplicated in Pro tennis.

    There may not have been much to mention regarding Pamela....
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    I never realized just how ridiculous Chris Evert's levels of consistency were

    I guess 91.6 just was not good enough for Chris. She turned in a record 94.55% winning record on clay, the highest of any pro athlete for a single surface. I believe grass was 88% and carpet was just under 85%
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    A cute little Evert factoid, probably never duplicated in Pro tennis.

    Now this is getting positively eerie. I discovered this Tracy Austin vs Jeanne Evert - Austin 1:0 (1978 Phoenix R32, Austin d. Evert 6-1, 6-3) Which means Tracy Austin has a 10-8 lead in her head-to-head with women from the Evert family. Even if I include Pam Austin's loss, George and Jeanne...
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    Two hands and doubles virtuosos

    A thread on early two handed male players prompts this. If you look at many of the early men with double handers, like Bromwich, MacMillan ,McGrath even before Connors, was that several were so accomplshed in doubles. It has me questioning my assumptions on double handers playing that net...
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    Who had the best 2hbh before Borg/Connors?

    Decided this post content while relevant, should merit its own thread. Look for one entitled "Two hands and doubles virtuosos."
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    A cute little Evert factoid, probably never duplicated in Pro tennis.

    I draw your attention to this tournament draw from 1972 from the Evert site. Virginia Slims Masters (Apr. 11-16; St. Petersburg, FL, clay, seeded 4): 1R def. Pam Austin 6-0, 6-0; 2R def. Corinne Molesworth 6-2, 6-4; QF def. Karen Krantzcke 6-1, 6-7, 6-1; SF def. Billie Jean King [1] 6-2...
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    Is it better to lose a semi-final or win it if you go on to lose in the final?

    Just to update this post of yours, As it stands, Serena and Evert are virtually neck and neck in record after record at this event. They share those 6 wins , but Evert has 31 consecutive wins over Serena's 24 consecutive wins. Chris ended her career at the US Open with an astounding 101 wins...
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    M.J. Fernandez: Super cool. Super sweet. No slam... why?

    I just never got the feeling that Fernandez ever felt a desperate 'I HAVE to win this point, this game, this match' intensity that baseliners a la Evert, Austin, Sanchez, Seles etc never really escaped from. They had to win every single possible point through tenacity and focus. To play that...
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    M.J. Fernandez: Super cool. Super sweet. No slam... why?

    When I think of great power off the ground from a thinner frame, Mandlikova was example #1. Its was pure timing and technique, but she could create astonishing power off both wings, even on the run or off balance! It wasn't consistent power, which made for some shocking winners.
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    I never realized just how ridiculous Chris Evert's levels of consistency were

    Yep that's the list as far as I am aware. They are polar opposites except insofar as you have to mount every ounce of psychological energy and confidence you can muster to win two sets against either of them. It begs the question. Which is better, to see Evert in your draw first, then...
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    New Agassi film Reveals the Reasons Why He Lost to Pete Sampras in the 1990 US Open Finals

    great admirer of Pete's game. I never found anything 'dull' or boring in what he did or who he was. Just classic s/v tennis performed by the kind of athlete that the style richly deserves.
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    Billie Jean King's superb 2021 autobiography ALL IN

    I always saw her as painfully shy, humble and self effacing. The sort who needs to learn to put herself out there more. ...
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    Billie Jean King's superb 2021 autobiography ALL IN

    I will want to read this. Great player, superb tactician and volleyer. I always loved her work in the commentary booth. Whatever else one may say about Ms King, she knows her tennis inside and out.
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