I agree, but I break 17g multi (x-one, micronite, RIP and many others) in less than 3h30 to 4h, the only ones that hold a bit is (was) duramix 1.35mm, X-one 1.34mm or NXT control 1.32mm I believe, but never beyond 7 hours, and at these prices, it becomes difficult. I used 17G in natural gut and...