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Is that the one where Djokovic took the strategic timeout to stop the momentum? What a complete reversal.... really threw Fed out of his groove starting the 5th. Those last two sets were quite a roller coaster.

a few disagreements, but mostly looks good to me Murray serve return > Nadal Federer forehand > Nadal except on clay Murray volley > Djokovic Federer overhead > Nadal

I guess they are coming in 2018..? idk :p

Kind of bizarre that their slam count lines up perfectly with active years on tour...

in order to bagel someone you have to be able to break serve, not just win tiebreaks ;)

Maybe it's time to scrap year-long conditions suited to defensive grinding instead.

I always thought the mysterious back injury just as he was about to take the #1 ranking in Cincinnati was suspicious. The way the whole end of the season unfolded seems similarly contrived but who knows...

Djokovic's era was so tough his biggest competitors for much of his peak were 5-years-past-his-prime Papa Federer and all-time-great Muzzah. :rolleyes: In all seriousness, how do "weak era" proponents not see that for much of Nadal and especially Djokovic's dominant periods, literally their...

ftfy, "Federer fan"

It is possible to add one still, should you care to

Not so sure about that, he took 3 weeks off after the USO, and 2 more after Shanghai. That doesn't sound like overplaying. But I do agree Roger was smart to prioritize longevity as he always has.

On this surface he fears none of them, but Rafa is still Rafa and as Annacone said, don't underestimate the great players

where's the poll? AO17 by a significant margin for me

Typical form... instead of adapting and changing things in his game, he expects the game and the rules to change for him. Nothing new here.

Possibly Del Potro, had he stayed healthy and at the top of his game

Can Nadal win WTF for once? (The big one, not RG which is meaningless)

Sock is in form and a more dangerous opponent on this court than anyone in Nadal's group with the possible exception of Dimitrov... who has proven to have the game to compete with the best but not the belief. Acting as if a 5-7 6-7(3) Cilic Nadal semi wasn't competitive is just silly.

Yes, all three of them have won M1000's on hardcourt. Cilic has a hardcourt slam. Any of them when playing well is at least some kind of threat. Compare that to... a guy who barely seems to be able to win a match off of clay (Thiem), and Goffin who is a solid player but has no real weapons and...

All three players in Fed's group are more of a threat than any of the three in Nadal's. Nadal on one leg might legitimately make it through that group. Still expect the maestro to come through though... he's still the best in fast conditions, of course.

Ahh yes, I'm thinking of the Tour Finals in 2008 when he had the bad back but played through it. 2005 was an ankle injury? but he still played 5 sets on it, strange more people don't talk about what a warrior he was in his time.

Awfully nice of this Guy to Forget that Rafa has only played Paris six times in his whole career, including this year. It's almost as if the scheduling is exceptionally poor for this event... hmmm...

You may have noticed Fed doesn't get injured very often... He hasn't withdrawn from matches in 250's or 500's or matches in earlier rounds of bigger events either. Not because those matches are of greater importance, but simply because he doesn't get injured much.

All that suggests is how bad his back must have been for that particular match, that he felt unable to compete. It says nothing of the WTF. I'm not sure why you would be so desperate to downplay the significance of the WTF. Could it be because Rafa has never won it?

My example shows how important the WTF final was to Fed. That back problem in 2005 was one of the more severe injuries he's played through in his career. He even got on court treatment, which for him was unheard of.

Pouille is ranked higher than anyone Nadal had to beat at the USO... Sock could be a slam winner!

We also saw Fed with a broken back attempt to play through the pain in a 5 set loss in 2005 WTF final. But things change when you are 32 I suppose.

I would say no, on the basis of making five finals even though he only won one of them. I believe the same is true for Nadal.. he has made two WTF final matches previously, so any claim that a victory would be a fluke is just hate.

I did make a mistake which I acknowledged. The general point about the abundance of clay court matches allowing Nadal to go on such winning streaks however remains accurate, with the exception of 2013... a year in which most of us probably know Fed's game was at an all time low-- he was still...

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