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1. ### Doubles Return of Serve: Experimenting With Different Grips

I'm trying to analyze video of Jamie Murray's forehand returns. It looks like he uses a *flat block* the vast majority of the time. He doesn't swing all the way through like a normal topspin forehand, nor down like a slice. See, e.g., 19:02 or 30:52: It appears that he's setting up in...
2. ### Doubles Return of Serve: Experimenting With Different Grips

Looking at his own instructional videos, I don't see any dedicated to his return, and not much even on his forehand in general. And there aren't many longer videos in there either, that would show enough video of him playing to see what he's doing on returns. I don't see generous contact info...
3. ### Doubles Return of Serve: Experimenting With Different Grips

I really like the Jamie Murray suggestion from @Nostradamus -- Murray is someone I can attempt to model after: Doesn't build his doubles game around a big forehand (unlike, e.g., Jack Sock) Two-handed drive backhand (unlike, e.g., Bryan brothers) Variety of returns Likes approaching the net...
4. ### Doubles Return of Serve: Experimenting With Different Grips

Definitely a good example to look at. Do you know what his default grip prep is?
5. ### Doubles Return of Serve: Experimenting With Different Grips

Interesting. So you do switch grips for different types of returns. This is assuming kick serve for second, right?
6. ### Doubles Return of Serve: Experimenting With Different Grips

When you say, "stop having different grips for returns", do you mean between singles and doubles? Or between forehand and backhand? Or do you just mean to stop experimenting? Because what you suggest is different from my default singles approach. I think your approach is definitely a good way...
7. ### Doubles Return of Serve: Experimenting With Different Grips

I don't stand at the baseline in singles. I prefer to stand several feet behind the baseline in singles, a la Nadal, Ruud, Medvedev, etc. I've hit the curtain on an indoor court on my backswing in singles. If I stand that far back in doubles, it's giving too much time to the net player to poach...
8. ### Doubles Return of Serve: Experimenting With Different Grips

Yeah, when I use SW forehand grip, my left is ready for drive backhand. I'm just not good at that transition. Fine in singles, but not in doubles, given the pressure of less time because I'm standing closer and tighter window I'm trying to hit through. I lack confidence in it, so far too often...
9. ### Defense wins singles, offense wins doubles!

:nodding: good thoughts Valid, although...my athleticism is probably above level, even at 4.5. Quickness and endurance for sure. Maybe worth putting in some upper body strength work, though :unsure:
10. ### Doubles Return of Serve: Experimenting With Different Grips

No, typically I'm trying to come in
11. ### Defense wins singles, offense wins doubles!

I can drive my backhand pretty solidly -- much better than my forehand. But I don't have a lot of nuance with it: not very comfortable varying the spin or placing it very precisely.
12. ### Doubles Return of Serve: Experimenting With Different Grips

Thanks for the reply. What level are you? (I've recently moved up to 4.5 because of my singles. A bit intimidated by 4.5 doubles.)
13. ### Defense wins singles, offense wins doubles!

I think in my case the biggest area I need to improve is my forehand. I need to 1) hit neutral/defensive forehands harder and deeper to prevent opponent attacks, and 2) learn to go on offense with my forehand when I get a short ball.
14. ### Doubles Return of Serve: Experimenting With Different Grips

I have a semi-western forehand and two-handed backhand. For singles returns I've found a lot of success standing pretty far back and setting up in my topspin forehand grip and then attempting to neutralize the point with a big-margin return: loopy topspin, or slice block when I'm stretched. I...
15. ### Defense wins singles, offense wins doubles!

I just got bumped to 4.5 after lots of singles wins as a 4.0 grinder. Worried that this describes my coming year. :(
16. ### Defense wins singles, offense wins doubles!

Yes! With the caveat that at rec levels, any style can win if a player is particularly good for the level at that style. But yes, in my area at men's 4.0, the top singles players are disproportionately good defensive players, while the top doubles teams are disproportionately good at offense...
17. ### 3.9 in singles, 3.6 in doubles: what should I do next year?

A year later: I did in fact get bumped to 4.5. I played mostly singles in men's league, but a fair bit of doubles in tournaments and mixed league. I do feel like I improved in doubles quite a bit this year, although my singles is still ahead. I have definitely grown in confidence that I can...
18. ### Year End Ratings

Me too: 4.5. I was 3.82 according to TR's "projected year end" rating. I thought I was at risk because 1) tournament data TR wasn't including, 2) a lot of my success is in singles, and 3) TR is just low sometimes.
19. ### Year End Ratings

Do you see some already? If so, what region/area?

I'm guessing they publish predictions Monday or Tuesday. I'm thinking there's about a 40% chance I get bumped. I'd like one more year, but I'd be fine either way.
21. ### Underarm serves with decent sidespin are very effective

Ah yes :p. Nothing says "real man" quite like a good rage-slap response -- ya know, Tsitsipas rage-slapping a Kyrgios underarm serve into the spectators, or Will Smith rage-slapping a comedian...
22. ### Underarm serves with decent sidespin are very effective

Do you mean "easy" for the returner (or the server)?? The main point of this thread is that if it's done well, it's definitely not easy for the returner...

24. ### Underarm serves with decent sidespin are very effective

In my opinion that's sorta like saying, "A pro pitcher has almost no reason to throw a changeup bc their fastball is such an advantage..."
25. ### Underarm serves with decent sidespin are very effective

Agree. Well, yeah, they physically can. But I think it takes some practice to be comfortable with heavy sidespin. And most never practice it. I think the sidespin is more valuable than you think it is. It might be a fraction of a second slower, but the ball ends up in a very different position...
26. ### Underarm serves with decent sidespin are very effective

Monfils has the sidespin I'm talking about. Seems like most of the pros are just going for the short ball, and not really aiming for sidespin. I just don't think the sidespin is all that hard to do, and it makes the serve extremely difficult to attack.
27. ### Underarm serves with decent sidespin are very effective

One of the primary reasons I use underarm serves is for variety, and McDonald is extremely limited on his serve variety with his shoulder injured. McDonald didn't appear to have practiced underarm serves much: not a lot of sidespin, and the placement wasn't amazing. Peter Polansky is something...
28. ### Underarm serves with decent sidespin are very effective

Sure. But that's true of every single shot/tactic in tennis.
29. ### Underarm serves with decent sidespin are very effective

I use this serve too. I've started calling it a "sweeper" (from baseball lingo).
30. ### Need Advice on 5.0 NTRP Rating Bump Tragedy

Get a little crew of 5.0s/4.5s in your area and play dubs with each other very week. Make fair teams among yourselves. Play for free. Ventura?? Seems like you're close enough to one of the best spots in the country for >4.5 level tennis to make the drive occasionally. Find a good 5.0 partner and...