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Does this group really exist? All the guys who seem to dominate at nationals seem to do it for the same captains over and over. Quite the coincidence.

What system can survive people actually trying to cheat the system? Any objective data system is going to need honest data to work. Again, it’s easy to say it’s possible but there is a reason you didn’t actually suggest one.

Back to 4.5?

The guys you mention would never make it through districts and sectionals if they were inconsistent. If his results were truly a low 3.5 level no team would have him on their team as a ringer. I think it’s easy to defend the hypothetical that doesn’t truly exist. But these clearly out of level...

This is precisely the issue. The threshold required to prove cheating is just too high. But the cheating is obvious. All you need are officials that can visually disqualify players for being clearly out of level. It will be painful at first, but one or two years of it and the captains will...

Yes. They won the national championship.

Sounds like you would be better off just playing up a level.

I can't imagine going all the way to nationals just for line calls like this in a tiebreak.

Definitely looked long from his perspective so hard to blame him if he got it wrong. But I don't play on carpet so I don't know how valid the sound thing is in reality.

Can we also talk about how dumb Southern's rule is allowing bump ups from early start leagues to continue playing in playoffs? Shocker Southern goes 1-3 when 4 of the 8 guys who played in their sectional clinching match couldn't play at nationals.

After looking at the results, the singles ringer for Intermountain beat a Middle States guy in straight sets who beat a recent 4.5 7-6, 7-5 in an outside usta league. Crazy it takes a 4.5 level to win this thing.

Ah looks like he had a different USTA account.

Really shows what it takes to win nationals. If they played as kids and now play 5-6 days a week for a few years they're probably closer to 4.0 than 3.0

Who's going to take down the 3.5 title?

wow the one southern guy won 6-0, 6-0.

100% the thinking

The problem is you made a really bad call then followed it up with "I thought it was wide" so just the wording of the comment makes it seem like you weren't really sure and hooked him anyway. It's easy to see why the other player thought you were intentionally hooking him.

Yeah at first glance I was like they won easily at 3-1. Then I looked at the scorelines and was like wow they had to take both because of the difference in score between the other two doubles points. Curious if you feel that you guys got the lineups right or were there any upsets in that match?

Congrats on winning!

Really is beautiful. All that hard work ruined by rain.

I agree, but it's pretty obvious the op wouldn't be complaining if the results were inverse.

It's ok to be bumped up. If you're winning at sectionals, you're probably ready for the next level.

Looks like this same captain has 3.5 18&over sectionals locked up and headed to nationals.

All their best 5.0s has been busy at 4.0.

Yeah 2021 was the year everyone got a free 2020 to not impact bumps.

I moved to a section that sandbags even more than Southern. Played one season at 4.0 and ran into a guy who got disqualified to 4.5 and got to appeal down to 3.5 after the season. Last year I played on several teams but couldn’t quite make it to sectionals at 3.5. Then this year, I spent the...

The Southern sectionals thread got me nostalgic. So I looked back to 2021 the last time I played Southern sectionals at 3.5 The two ringers I played, one got bumped to 4.5 last year and no longer plays league. The other got bumped to 4.0 and hasn't played since 2021. One of the ringers from the...

You can’t make it to sectionals without ringers.

5.0 to 3.0 is a triple bump down. How is that even possible?