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Fed accumulated most of his titles against Roddick, Blake and Hewitt. Sampras regularly dominated guys who are great fast court players like Becker and Agassi. I'd say Sampras' 5 titles are more impressive.

There's nothing to debate against Nadal at RG. He's the best, period. But Fed vs Sampras at WTF is still debatable. 6-5 is not like 3-10.

Those guys actually won RG. Nadal didn't win anything at WTF. Zero 0.

You can remove Nadal from the discussion. He is a complete non factor in this debate.

2012 had faster movement and more explosive forehand. Still, both versions are not anywhere close to his peak.

What was the pig in mud doing in USO?

A 17 year old body would suffice for Nadal. The kid was a physical freak.

He didn't have to play like he did in 2005-2008. Fed also has declined a lot. He just has to play at 80% of that, which should be enough to beat Grandperer.

Nadal needs to watch how his 2005-2008 version spanked peakest of peak Federer. He knew exactly what to do to beat Federer, but he didn't bring that kind of game.

It's always better to skip 500s and focus on 1000 events. I think Nadal is serious about the YE#1 ranking now.

Noone is arguing that. This thread is about the records that Fed cannot match.

Sampras won his US Open in his teens, 20s and 30s. Only Nadal at RG could match that.

Fed doesn't have A game anymore. He's playing at his B level at best, but it's more than good enough to dominate the current garbage field.

Peak Fed would have bagelled and breadsticked all over current Nadal no joke.

Nadal 2004-2005 would have beaten 36 years old Fed easily. Nadal is about 3 steps slower now and that makes all the difference.

Djokovic when playing to his potential can beat both Fed and Nadal consistently. Be careful what you wish for.

Djokovic beat post prime Fed in 4 of 5 biggest tennis tournaments consecutively. It would be 5 of 5 if Fed was good enough to meet him on clay. So I agree that Fed has a mental block when he plays Djokovic in big matches.

Nadal should go back and watch how Djokovic completely dominated Federer in 4 of 5 biggest tournament in tennis spanning from 2015-2016. Djokovic was returning Fed's serve with interest and outmoving and outrallying Fed most of the time. Nadal couldn't do any of that to Fed these days.

Nadal playing like crap. Roger takes this in straight sets.

Del Potro massively outserve Fed right now. Fed's not playing bad either.

Sampras was the top dog in all of those years. Nadal was playing second fiddle in many of those years to Djokovic and Federer. Sampras wins hands down.

Only an extremely crazy ******* could create such a thread...

Sampras' serve is far ahead of Federer. Sampras' volleys are also much better than Federer's. But we're not talking about serve or volleys here, because Sampras is much better in that department. Federer's forehand is better, but not that much better as some people think.

You're right. As a stroke alone without movement, Agassi's backhand is on a tier of its own.

Fed's forehand is better due to vastly superior equipment. We don't how good Sampras' forehand would be if he trained with modern equipment.

This tiny dude held his own against Fed. A few points going his way would have turned the match complrtely.

He's mentally absent for the season due to that French Open final. Nadal made him look like some random 1000 ranked player. Anyone who received that kind of beating would have felt depressed as well.

Nadal won 11 titles in 2005 vs 3 titles in 2011. I don't think there is any doubt that Nadal in 2005 was more dominant. He had very few grass and hard court experience back then. Otherwise, he could have won 15+ titles that year.

It's pretty much the Nextgen vs Nadal now and they're getting owned badly.

If he hasn't confirmed his presence, they can't put his name in there, period.