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    Duel Match Stats/Report - Sampras vs Becker, Year End Championship finals & round robin, 1994

    Aggressive Margins in '94 final: Sampras 36.48% Becker 29.1% The ATP has Becker serving on 75 points, making 41 first serves, winning 32 of them. So that point you're missing is almost surely a first serve -- and very possibly an ace, since the ATP gives Becker 15 aces. I thought this '94...
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    Match Stats/Report - Becker vs McEnroe, Stratton Mountain semi-final, 1986

    I remember reading about the Antwerp events back then in Tennis Magazine, and the bare facts (prize money, draw strength) were always impressive. I even wondered back then, when I first started collecting tennis records/stats, why Antwerp was not a bigger deal, or why it was not counted as...
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    Match Stats/Report - Becker vs McEnroe, Stratton Mountain semi-final, 1986

    Becker was doing his full-on Henri Cochet impression in this tournament, saving two match points against Kevin Curren, then 4 match points against McEnroe, though he couldn't win the final against Lendl. I thought like you, Wasp, that this was top-level McEnroe. Generally speaking he wasn't...
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    Match Stats/Report - McEnroe vs Lendl, Canadian Open final, 1985

    That's a good stat for him, though it means he made only 19 of 39 first serves.
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    Match Stats/Report - Lendl vs Connors, Stratton Mountain semi-final, 1985

    Enjoyed this match a lot, found it recently on YT. A mid-match graphic showing some year-to-date stats for Lendl's service: 1985 TODAY % 1st serves 60 43 % 1st serves won 74 85 % 2nd serves won 54 66 There was also this mid-match graphic for “All Backcourt Points” Won...
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    Match Stats/Report - McEnroe vs Lendl, Canadian Open final, 1985

    Got it, and that would be an interesting question in itself, how high we've seen %s on 2nd serve. I know we ran into a few at 100%, but some of those are unique circumstances, ie, player didn't have many second serves overall in the match. Outstanding is Sampras against Rafter in 1997 Grand...
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    Match Stats/Report - McEnroe vs Lendl, Canadian Open final, 1985

    Yes in those his success on second serve comes close to his 1st serve %. Been looking, still can't find one where his 2nd % is actually higher.
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    Match Stats/Report - McEnroe vs Lendl, Canadian Open final, 1985

    In a lot of your recently charted matches, Connors has had higher success on second serve than on first: '85 Stratton vs. Lendl, '85 Canadian and '89 Toulouse vs. Mac, '88 USO vs. Agassi. It's almost true for McEnroe in this match: 70.7% on 1st and 70.4% on 2nd. I don't recall ever seeing...
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    Famous or favourite almost straight set wins turned into epics

    At newspapers.com, I found this gem Nadal d. Medvedev, 7-5, 6-3, 5-7, 4-6, 6-4, 2019 USO final I will try to find out more about this great discovery and will keep you all posted ;)
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    Match Stats/Report - McEnroe vs Connors, WCT Finals final, 1984

    It's been some years since we did that WCT vs. Masters thread (if it was a thread?) and right now I'm not up for re-studying the issue; but somewhere I have some files that I can send to you, at least. I'd love to have stats on that Wilander-McEnroe match. Mats told the press, "I enjoyed the...
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    Match Stats/Report - Lendl vs Connors, Masters semi-final, 1983

    Actually when I studied that game in your link to the video, I focused on the SI article and overlooked the NY Times report, so let's start over. The Times report is more of a problem. It's got the term "clear winner"; you wrote "clean" above so I take it you regard the terms as...
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    Match Stats/Report - Lendl vs Connors, Masters semi-final, 1983

    On the second point it looks to me like Connors' FH hit the floor before it reached the net, or landed in the very bottom of the net. I know Leo Levin judged it a winner if a ball failed to make it to the net "on the fly"; and this one here either meets that description or is very close. Back...
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    Match Stats/Report - McEnroe vs Connors, WCT Finals final, 1984

    I think a few years ago Mac said something like, "When I won in Dallas in '79, it was a huge event." But it declined in later years. When it began in '71 it was genuinely a blockbuster event and bigger than the YEC Masters; in the 80s you'd have to say the Masters was bigger. Exactly when the...
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    Match Stats/Report - Connors vs McEnroe, Toulouse Indoor final, 1989

    Match took place Oct. 15. Officially it was title #108 for Connors; he was defending champion here. Connors said to the press, “I don’t think I can play any better than that. It’s something you dream about.” Mac said, “I didn’t feel I was playing that badly. I can’t remember the last time...
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    Match Stats/Report - Lendl vs Connors, Masters semi-final, 1983

    New York Times: The sellout crowd, which shouted ''choke!'' at the Czechoslovak, clearly wanted Connors to win. But, Lendl survived a significant challenge after he had won the first 5 games of the match and a feisty Connors stormed back to bring the score to 5-3, with a break point for 5-4...
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    Match Stats/Report - McEnroe vs Connors, WCT Finals final, 1984

    The fourth of John's 5 titles in Dallas. At exactly 5-2 in the second, this graphic was displayed for McEnroe: 1984 AVERAGE TODAY 1st serves 53.6 66.7 1st serves won 75.2 84.6 2nd serves won 57.4 53.8
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    A top player hitting zero winners in set?

    I saw it, was lucky to know someone with free tickets, seats very close. I never like seeing Fed lose, but I was too busy enjoying the match to care much about that in the end. Got such a kick out of watching those five sets. And was very happy to see Grigor get a big win at a major. I like...
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    A top player hitting zero winners in set?

    Indeed. Busted! I'm also an I-told-you-so and a know-it-all, but hey who's keeping track ;) I had not seen Serena in person before, and yeah she had power, but what impressed me the most was her accuracy. At 2013 RG, Serena had 40 winners against Errani's 2, and led 52-16 in total points...
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    Match Stats/Report - Borg vs Panatta, Bastad final, 1974

    I've always wondered whether the 20 aces might be an inflated count, going well beyond clean aces. Without video, there's no way to confirm. And doing a quick check of newspapers.com, I see only the New York Times reporting the 20 aces; no other report has an ace count. But it's been...
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    Match Stats/Report - Borg vs Panatta, Bastad final, 1974

    This match in Baastad took place July 14. Seven days later Borg beat Panatta in their only Davis Cup meeting, albeit in a dead rubber, 6-4, 4-6, 9-7, 6-3 on outdoor red clay in Baastad again. Borg had lost all 3 of his previous claycourt matches against Panatta, all in '73. I've been...
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    A top player hitting zero winners in set?

    Saw this one in person last night, Serena hit 25 winners of every kind in her 6-1, 6-0 win over Qiang Wang, who hit zero. https://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/stats/2504.html They played 65 points in 13 games, just 5.0 per game, the lowest average I know of in all the OE matches we're tracked...
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    Match Stats/Report - Sampras vs Courier, Year End Championship finals, 1991

    Fourth straight year that the loser of the opening set had come back to win this final. 116/140 is a fairly big difference but in this case it's even more pronounced, because Courier served only 19 service games, Sampras 21. Each man served 6 points in the tiebreak, so Sampras served 110...
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    Match Stats/Report - Wilander vs Lendl, French Open fourth round, 1982

    I follow the logic and fundamentally agree. Regarding the Mac-Connors example, where both men ended up back at the baseline, yeah calling it a net point doesn't seem right. But I'd count it simply as a net approach. The way we do net stats, we talk about total approaches to net, and a fixed...
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    Match Stats/Report - Wilander vs Lendl, French Open fourth round, 1982

    Well I haven't charted any net stats in at least a few years, but really I agree with all your reasoning here. I do think it's a good idea to establish what the player is trying to do, their intention, rather than being literal about whether their feet have crossed the service line or whatnot...
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    Some stats for 1975-77 USO finals (Connors, Borg, Vilas, Orantes)

    More unposted stats Orantes won 25 of 38 points on 1st serve (65.8%) and 23 of 49 on 2nd (41.7%) Connors won 30 of 61 points on 1st serve (49.2%) and 11 of 22 on 2nd (50%) When facing break point, Orantes won 2 of 5 on first serve (40%) and 1 of 2 on second (50%). Connors won 5 of 10 on first...
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    Match Stats/Report - Wilander vs Lendl, French Open fourth round, 1982

    With this loss to Wilander, Lendl had exited five straight GS events in five-setters: AO 1980, R32: L Pat DU PRE (USA) 5-7 3-6 6-3 6-2 6-7 (down 0-2 in sets) RG 1981, F: L Bjorn BORG (SWE) 1-6 6-4 2-6 6-3 1-6 (down 1-2) W 1981, R128: L Charles FANCUTT (AUS) 6-4 3-6 4-6 6-1 3-6 (down 1-2)...
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    Match Stats/Report - Wilander vs Lendl, French Open fourth round, 1982

    I watched this match a few years ago and I was somewhat surprised with Wilander's net play, given the stereotype that in '82 he never approached the net. Still, I would not have guessed 61 approaches by each man.... Stats are generally similar to Borg-Lendl the previous year...
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    Stats for 1981 RG final (Borg-Lendl)

    That's great, and please posts more stats on that match if you have 'em Incidentally I checked and Leconte did return the two (2!) second serves he saw from Wilander in the '88 RG final. I fixed my Borg-Lendl return numbers above; somehow I'd included the df's
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    Greatest Serves of All Time

    Ha, Becker and Lacoste -- two names I've NEVER put together We had an old thread about players winning in 5 sets without losing serve: https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/5-set-matches-where-the-winner-never-loses-serve.139351/ (note Becker-Pioline is wrong) So these are all I...
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    Stats for 1989 Davis Cup final (Becker, Wilander, Edberg)

    In their '89 Davis Cup meeting: Becker won 31 of 38 on first (81.6%) and 19 of 29 on second (65.5%) Wilander won 22 of 45 on first (48.9%) and 11 of 31 on second (35.48%)
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