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  1. pc1

    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    I know. Sampras could coast on his serve and still win the set. Good point
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    No, I don't but don't act you're an angel in this. And you know what I'm talking about. Call me.
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    Agree totally with your post. Of course Budge was superior to Riggs in 1942. My thought is that considering all the facts that Riggs was clearly superior to a weaker Budge and with Riggs' improvement I do wonder how strong Riggs truly was after the war. It would have been a heck of a World...
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    Another thing we have to take into account is not just statistics but what is behind everything. We have to know the story behind the scenes. For example one poster was discussing a head to head tour which I felt he slanted everything toward one player. This poster did not mention after a...
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    Trust me, it doesn't harm him. Sampras' Game Won percentages are in line with his record. Winning these close matches or winning or losing one sided matches are a part of the large sample of Games Won Percentage.
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    It evens out over time. It works.
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    We have all heard of the saying "For the want of a nail, a kingdom was lost." Well I think sometimes we forget that when in actuality we discuss who is the greatest or who are the greatest players of all time we are NOT talking about who has accumulated the most accomplishments. We are using...
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    The formula actually is pretty good imo. Games Won Percentages are a very important criteria in evaluating the strength of a player over the course of a tennis season. It is arguably the most important criteria for a large sample size. The players with the most dominant seasons like McEnroe in...
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    Of course all tournaments should be counted. It's ridiculous to analyze a career and only count the majors. That's why I provided links to those articles.
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    I think Connors wins out over McEnroe. More majors, more tournaments won and higher lifetime winning percentage. McEnroe has more tier 1000 equivalents. It's close. Lendl vs Connors is interesting also. That's close in virtually every category.
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    However my point was that Connors is one of the greatest players of the Open Era and frankly of all time. I think he ranks higher than many players who I believe is mistakenly ranked above him. I'm not saying he's number one but the mere fact that by some formulas he can be ranked number one...
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    First of I do think Connors is sorely underrated because of an overemphasis on majors. Some formulas do have Connors as the greatest ever. http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2011/03/science-answers-goat-question/28098/...
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    I agree and I will try to elaborate on it more when I get the chance.
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    Toben may be the GOAT if you rank for coolest players and he was the dad of Lars Ulrich of Metallica. :D
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    Who are the best "smasher" all time?

    I might add Stan Smith for the backhand overhead also. He used to put away Laver's lobs with it. It was the best backhand overhead I've seen.
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    Okay. That's fine. I really couldn't care if you raise his "majors" to 17. I don't exactly put "Pro Majors" on the level of Wimbledon today. Please understand however that Tilden was number one in majors for decades due to the travel conditions and other factors. It was different time...
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    Video is deceptive. Vines was a huge hitter but in many videos he looks like a soft hitter. In some videos Laver looks like a light hitter except the videos in Laver’s time was superior to Tilden’s time. Note in the video how Tilden hits a winner off his forehand that Vines couldn’t reach. Note...
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    I’m not disputing your information but I’m disagreeing with your opinion. I’m not talking about Tilden’s injuries, I am stating I think his record is unbelievable for what he did. Don’t forget about his World Hardcourt by the way which was THE CLAY major. Remember that travel was tough in...
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    Tilden’s game lightweight?? Tilden had great power but also great touch and spin. He had more power off the ground in general than Gonzalez and Rosewall. He had a bigger serve than Laver or Rosewall and it was comparable to Gonzalez. Here’s Tilden in his forties against Vines.
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    And he was still great. He went to Europe in 1930 and dominated in winning 18 tournaments including Wimbledon and the Italian
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    And Tilden had in reality awesome results.
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    Wrong. He won Wimbledon in 1930 at age 37 and the “Pro Majors” into his forties. He was arguably number one in 1930. After that he turned pro with no ranking.
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    @Dan Lobb Incidentally we should include the great Jimmy Connors for players who played at a super level for many years.
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    Just a little point, perhaps Nadal's injuries are due to his style but now I understand he had a bad injury years ago that hurts him to this day. So perhaps the perception that his injuries are due to his style may be incorrect. It could have been one freak injury that hurts him forever...
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    Disagree totally. Tilden had a few huge injuries around 1925 which I believe gave an opening for the Musketeers to start winning. First of all he had part of a finger amputated and second he had a major knee injury that was so bad that when he ran there was a huge loud clicking that everyone...
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    True but I used that extreme example to emphasize the big differences between accomplishments and actual level of play which I believe we are all actually looking at when we talk about greatness player ever in any competition.
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    A super post however I'm curious why you have Tilden behind the top group. Tilden, according to Bud Collins' book won from 1912 to 1930 in his amateur career (which essentially was the top level because he faced all the top competition) won 138 of 192 tournaments, lost 28 finals with a 907-62...
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    Whats your top 10 of all time now (men)

    When I think of greatness of I generally think of Level of Play. You can say a player is the most accomplished but it doesn’t mean they are the best. Accomplishments are just a clue to the Level is Play aka greatness of a player. Of course we have to have a certain time span to check how...
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    Who are the best "smasher" all time?

    Here's some video of Kramer smashing. Riggs said he never saw Kramer miss. He ranked him slightly above Gonzalez.
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    Who are the best "smasher" all time?

    Interesting article. It does bring out some excellent points. I was amused that Sharapova, who can't smash handles lobs the best for the Women. Not having stats I would say Yannick Noah was the best I've ever seen. Sampras was great also but Noah was several inches taller. Legends of the...
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