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  1. J

    Mixed dubs and the poaching mindset

    I've thought about I-formation or Australian in mixed. I played 7.0 with a 3.0 partner, and we finished the season 5-0 including 3-0 at districts/sectionals, but we struggled the most on her serve, and especially guys bullying her in cross court rallies, so I was thinking if I can teach her...
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    USTA Leagues: Tweaks needed nationwide to improve excitement?

    I'm not a fan of overturning results (Middle States only overturns the third strike, which I think is fair). Overturning all results incentivizes manipulating scores instead of just playing and accepting a promotion without potentially killing the whole season for your original team. Most people...
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    USTA Leagues: Tweaks needed nationwide to improve excitement?

    1. Yes, absolutely. 2. Limiting the number of self-rates is doing the opposite of "growing the sport". Around here, the leagues have tried limiting the number of out-of-area players, but like limiting out-of-level, it's nearly impossible to enforce, and you'll also end up with fewer teams and...
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    Rule question: Touching the scoreboard attached to the post

    Yeah, it's easiest to think of the scorecard as the same as a bench next to the netpost (like used during changeovers) since they are both permanent structures not part of the net. If there is a wide ball that pulls you off the court and you hit the ball and it deflects off the bench and goes...
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    Trying to stay at same USTA rating

    In this case, since he's weaker at doubles, as a captain, I'd still play him in doubles, but with someone rater higher, not lower, since pairing someone with a higher rated player will suppress the lower rated player's match ratings (for the same reason it inflates the higher rated player's...
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    Trying to stay at same USTA rating

    It's impossible to know for sure because 50% of the ratings depend on the opponents' ratings. One thing is for sure, though, is that playing doubles with a lower rated partner, and especially one who is playing up, and winning those matches, is probably the easiest way to get bumped, even easier...
  7. J

    Match Retirement

    This was a match I was watching, not playing in, but it was the championships of the local county tournament, which is a pretty big deal played in the show court of the local 24-court facility, so there was a pretty big crowd watching. Anyway, the #1 seed was a local guy who was getting a little...
  8. J

    5.0s vs Ex-Pros

    This is an interesting take on the "could a 5.0 win a game against a pro" question. I've seen top level 5.0s against pros in the 300 range at the old USO qualifier, and they were really lucky if they won a single game. But to start with a 40-0 lead every game? Can the pros (ex-pros) win every...
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    Makeup matches and dynamic rating

    At the time, we had received notice that the player was DQ'd but the rating wasn't changed yet. The captain told them we had the other match to enter, and the LLC told him it wouldn't change the DQ but to put the results in ASAP. Once he entered that score, they updated the guy's rating. If we...
  10. J

    Makeup matches and dynamic rating

    No, it was entered and the result stood as played. At the time, Middle States only overturned the three strikes, not all of the person's matches, and that match was not a strike.
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    Makeup matches and dynamic rating

    I would guess the USTA probably consumes the match data sequentially as it is entered, which more or less would use the date entered. We had a situation 10-15 years ago where a player had played a match on a Saturday and a match on a Sunday. He won the Saturday match in three sets (which was not...
  12. J

    Who would you consider a pro tennis player?

    I agree. Would Roddick's definition mean that Anna Kournakova was never a "pro tennis player" even though she was in the top 10 for multiple years because her modeling income always dwarfed her tennis prize money? That doesn't seem right.
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    Need Advice on 5.0 NTRP Rating Bump Tragedy

    Sorry to hear about your condition. That sounds awful. Good luck. As for the "quasi-medical" appeals, you can do that through the self-rating appeal (which of course, you have to wait 3 years for your rating to expire first). On the self-rating appeal form, there is a section for "anything else...
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    Need Advice on 5.0 NTRP Rating Bump Tragedy

    "Playing up" from 4.5 to 5.0 is a little different, too, because playing at all at 5.0 in USTA dries up in a lot of areas.
  15. J

    USTA "3.5"

    Unless they were granted a self-rating appeal. If they just happened to omit that they played D1 tennis, yes, slam dunk grievance, but if you self-rate and feel you should be lower, you can file an appeal and a committee will decide your fate based on the rationale you give for the lower rating...
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    USTA level 5 16U and 18U tournaments: Is the behavior of the players really this bad?

    If you go back far enough (like 15-20 years in Middle States), the L7 and L8 District 18s tournaments had 4.5 caliber kids in them, which would have been UTR 6.5-8.5 or so (had UTR existed at the time), so the L5/L6 sectional tournaments definitely had some UTR 9 caliber kids in them. I think...
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    USTA level 5 16U and 18U tournaments: Is the behavior of the players really this bad?

    It's been a while since I've followed junior tournaments, but several years ago, I think L5s only had sectional ranking points, not national, right? L4 was a sectional invitational level, L3 was the sectional championship with national ranking points, L2s were the closed regional invitationals...
  18. J

    is an 11 UTR really a 4.5 NTRP?

    I agree with it except that it ignores natural overlap between levels. In other words, I'd call NTRP 4.0 UTR 5.00-7.00 and NTRP 4.5 6.50-9.50. The 6.5-7.0 area is overlap where people are going to bump up and down between the 4.0 and 4.5 NTRP levels every couple years.
  19. J

    Famous people playing adult leagues or tournaments?

    Strokes look like typical 3.5, but I'm sure he could compete at 4.0 just on athleticism.
  20. J

    is an 11 UTR really a 4.5 NTRP?

    This is close, but 4.0 absolutely does not go to 8 UTR, LOL. The 4.0 cutoff should be 7. Anyone over 7 UTR as a 4.0 is either sandbagging or about be bumped. The 4.5 range starts around 6.5. 6.5-7.0 is the 4.0/4.5 grey borderline area.
  21. J

    The dreaded EOY Rating thread

    It's not surprising that people all the way up to national have no idea what they are talking about, but @schmke is right. Your A-rating expired this year, so you got an M-rating. They may have been referring to the fact that you actually got the 2021 computer rating from play in 2020 leagues...
  22. J

    Captain's Playoff drama

    I would force him to play the 3 courts that he can play on that date. If you don't sweep those three courts, then only reschedule the other two when your best players are available to play them. Don't let him dictate the make up dates. First check with the LLC and see if they have any opinion...
  23. J

    How do appeals work

    Oh, OK, got it.
  24. J

    The dreaded EOY Rating thread

    TR is a very useful scouting tool, especially when you get into the playoffs and are playing teams you're less familiar with. They generally do a good job of ranking people from strongest to weakest within a team (or at least in my experience they do). As far as using TR to predict bumps, LOL...
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    How do appeals work

    Yes, this is the first that I've ever seen anything that says they can't. It seems to be a change for this year (or a typo for this year, you never know with the USTA, LOL).
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    How do appeals work

    The 2025 national rules have been published. https://www.usta.com/content/dam/usta/2025-pdfs/2025-national-regulations-qa-interpretations.pdf There appears to be a big change in the DQ procedure in that automated appeal rated players (i.e. A-rated) are now NOT subject to dynamic DQ. See rule...
  27. J

    The dreaded EOY Rating thread

    No. The USTA published an explicit penalty point system with the 2022 league rules. Intentionally falsifying self-rating can be enough for a mandatory suspension for both the player and the captain.
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    The dreaded EOY Rating thread

    With the 2022 changes to the penalty point system, captains are risking automatic suspension if they get caught doing that now.
  29. J

    The dreaded EOY Rating thread

    Well, that's what the advantage of the local situation is. The kids from the JUCO fill out the appeal form and the committee goes straight to his coach for rating advice. Since the coach is a stand-up guy, he always gives them a fair assessment and the players get to the right level. It probably...
  30. J

    The dreaded EOY Rating thread

    Anomalies happen with the ratings. We once had a recent grad int he NJ league from an NAIA program (roughly equivalent to D3) who self-rated at 5.0 according to guidelines and appealed to 4.5 to play tri-level. The self-rating appeal was fine, he was not a #1 or #2 on his college team and was...
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