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    4 straight winners in a return game

    The thing about this particular stat, is that is uniquely built for players with great returns, and great passing shots who played opponents in a time where even tier 2 (not top ten players) serve/vollyers who's style of play was presumed to benefit them throughout the draws on the tour by...
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    RIP, Bud Collins.

    I remember him dying, but I somehow missed this thread. But was the rarest of breeds in tennis. He was one of our sports true characters( alongside Ted Tingling). He was a writer, who happened into commentary and it sure showed in the booth. He coined so much wit both in his Boston Column...
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    Great thread idea. Out of the 12 most successful open era players who plays in a similar style?

    how are you measuring 'successful'? Doesn't anyone who won a major prior to 1974 manage to make into this category?
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    Match Stats/Report - Lendl vs McEnroe, Antwerp Indoors Invitational final, 1985

    The less power dictates the result, the more touch/ tactics does. The women's game seems to provide a better balance between these two, especially in the earlier decades. You can't do much better than looking at Hingis matches to make my point! Hingis could somehow will herself by one of the...
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    Match Stats/Report - Lendl vs McEnroe, Antwerp Indoors Invitational final, 1985

    I always like these summaries. Well written and I learn a lot. Just wish your interest extended to women's matches.
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    Mobility on Different Surfaces

    I think she moves very well on grass as well. Most players from the late 70's's forward outside of England and Australia did not have enough of those early experiences frequently enough to feel confident of their footing, especially in damp conditions because so little tennis is played on...
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    Did the start of the Open Era in 1968 really change much for women's tennis?

    Just like every other major change, it takes the right time, the right set of circumstances, and the right people being in the right position to move things forward. You needed Heldman, Joe Cullman and the Kings in alliance. That's right, both of them "In 1971, Larry King conceived the...
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    This is the real GOAT

    I think one of my points is that the loss of no single player produces a 'weak' field. These are not the days of Suzanne Lenglen any more . There is a tour full of developed talent and athletic achievement and if you decide the loss of a Seles means Graf really didn't earn her major ( and...
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    1HBH topspin lob - who had a good one?

    Lendl had a superb offensive topspin lob of the backhand, as did Edberg.
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    This is the real GOAT

    I disagree. the Graf situation is no different whatsoever. The tournament draw does not ask why a specific player is absent from its list. It creates a draw absent that player just as it produces a new seeding. There is no different impact on those tournaments or the players that play in...
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    1HBH topspin lob - who had a good one?

    I know a lot of one handers that can topspin or slice their lobs. I don't know many two handers that can hit a two handed slice lob.
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    Did the start of the Open Era in 1968 really change much for women's tennis?

    As I reread my post, I am left thinking that somehow I left the impression that there is this great meritocracy now whereby young girls can reach for the stars, and get the right coaches, camps and resources based on their talent. We are far, far away from that. Merit/ talent can eventually...
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    Did the start of the Open Era in 1968 really change much for women's tennis?

    Stage 1. There was virtually no change prior to 1975. The women already at the very top had, by definition, enough independent wealth security to stay at the top and the sea of women below were kroll moving around the lower levels unnoticed until they died off or married someone who could and...
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    Mobility on Different Surfaces

    So I guess one of the top best grass movers cannot also be one of the 5 best clay movers?
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    Match Stats/Report - Edberg vs Gilbert, Cincinnati final, 1990

    And I repeat my point. Being 'creatively interesting' is not what the job description entails whether your name is Laver or Edberg.
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    EVert's clay Head to heads

    That tournament introduced young Gabby to the world. She had beaten several players including Maleeva in long matches over two days and refused an extra rest day before the final . I think this was a very high compliment Chris was giving this newbie about her almost unprecedented effort in...
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    Match Stats/Report - Edberg vs Gilbert, Cincinnati final, 1990

    Gilbert was intelligent enough to be unconventional but wasn't intelligent enough to win many games. Being 'creatively interesting' is not what the job description entails
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    Did Wilander do anything better than Borg?

    Mats won the doubles at Wimbledon in 1986, and he was a finalist at the Aussie in 1984 and a finalist at the Open in 1986. He reached a career high ranking in doubles at #3 in the world in 1985 and won 7 other pro doubles titles and reached the finals of the tour masters in 1985 as well. I'd...
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    Did Wilander do anything better than Borg?

    I think those five Wimbledons reflect Borg's better serve, his better footspeed and possibly more deceptive groundstrokes as opposed to his volley.
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    Did Wilander do anything better than Borg?

    Not sure fast low bouncing grass is the best determinator of a great volleyer so much as it is a great passing shot artist. Lol, bad volleys and poor approaches win a lot more points on fast low bouncing grass than they do on slower or higher bouncing surfaces. Maybe we should be more...
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    Did Wilander do anything better than Borg?

    Mats was the better tactician. Borg the better athlete.
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    EVert's clay Head to heads

    The Gabby scores can be explained. When she was young she had incredible focus at the beginnings of matches. She was bold, consistent and her strokes had so much spin they were difficult to gauge. Evert said they were unlike anyone else's on the tour. She could not even find a hitting...
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    EVert's clay Head to heads

    bump, just cause some people forget these days
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    The best and worse 'self assessors' in post match interviews.

    This thread about a players ability to accurately describe in a succinct few words in their interviews post win or loss a match, its ebbs and flows, or those tactics/ shots that brought the result. They are not overly deferential or falsely modest, nor do they brag, and boast so that the entire...
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    The fastest players - TO NET

    Billie Jean, Jana Novatna Kathy Jordan
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    Who was the best touch player

    Santoro has not been mentioned enough I am surprised some power players did not quit the game, after running around after his web spinning arsenal of touch . We are not talking enough about lobs There are several not so well known for dropshots or drop volleys who's lobs showed deft touch...
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    The fastest players - BASELINE

    I know. she was incredibly quick on the baseline once she got into shape. She ran down everything. That was one reason Evert had such trouble despite her accuracy. If I were to pick anyone at all who was faster in the 80's at the baseline who was not a singles slam winner, it actually would...
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    The fastest players - BASELINE

    As I remember players talking about the fastest mover in the eighties prior to Graf, the name Navratilova was the most common at the top not anyone else. Once she got into her best shape, regardless of direction, or surface.... it was definitely Martina. I'd replace Turnbull with her at...
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    At Wimbledon prime for prime Becker vs Edberg Who wins?

    What struck me about those grass meetings that I saw, was that Edberg played them with a cooler head, while Boris let Edberg and/or the circumstances get under his skin. Thus those moments when Boris howled (yelled) those German word in frustration at his own play, as the pressure built in...
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    Post-stabbing Seles - the breakdown - more consistent than I remember; she had her chances.

    That relative inexperience in youth on grass or clay for that matter, is very telling in movement, I think. You just cannot make up for that lack of confidence- building experience, later on, in your twenties and thirties on a given surface. Despite their multiple similarities as champions...
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