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    Laver and Connors in 1975

    We have one big difference in our stats. I have Laver 33 of 42 at net. I include in that number serves, on which Laver was clearing s/v, that Connors did not get back in play. I also have Connors at 14 of 21. I just redid this match in the last maybe 6 months. You use the word...
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    Ivan Lendl vs Jimmy Connors?

    You can say that again. With all the prep work he did for it, it was obvious how much a Wimbledon title meant to Lendl As far as weapons go, serve aside(and no denying that is a big aside), I don't see some huge edge for Lendl. Connors' groundstrokes, his return of serve, were big weapons.
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    Remembering Vitas Gerulaitis 25 years on

    Greatest post match press conference line of all time. After beating Connors at the Masters, breaking a streak of 16 consecutive losses to Connors. "Nobody beats Vitas Gerulaitis 17 times in a row."
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    Match Stats/Report - Lendl vs Connors, Stratton Mountain semi-final, 1985

    I still get what Wasp is saying. Mcenroe was more prone to occasionally just plant himself on the baseline and hit essentally half volleys. Against someone like a Vilas I pretty distinctly recall him doing this more than Connors. Doesn't mean Connors couldn't or didn't do it some, but not...
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    Was Connors cheated out of the CYGS in 1974?

    Reasonable question if the same could be said about Connors. It wasn't just WTT that the ITF wanted no part of at first. They weren't bif fans of WCT either.
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    Match Stats/Report - Lendl vs Connors, Stratton Mountain semi-final, 1985

    Agree about Mcenroe actually taking the ball a bit earlier. I used to say that back then. He would 1/2 volley a bunch of balls rather than back up. Connors backhand is pretty damn flat. I'm not talking short angled rolls. His basic drive backhand, whether crosscourt or down the line, was...
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    Was Connors cheated out of the CYGS in 1974?

    That's still pretty close. It is not a dramatic difference. Also, let's look at the stats in context. I think Borg really peaked somewhere in the 78, maybe 79-80 or 81. Borg played 4 clay court events in the US, US Open, aside after 1976. The 4 Pepsi Grand Slams he won. He played in, and...
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    Was Connors cheated out of the CYGS in 1974?

    They are all major, important clay court events? Columbus was not major. Just as something like South Orange wasn't a major. They simply did not attract the depth of field that others did In the 70s/early 80s, when I think of the significant US summer clay court events, I think of...
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    Was Connors cheated out of the CYGS in 1974?

    Again, we are caught up on not winning any clay titles in Europe. He didn't play any in what I consider to be his primes years, 1974-78. And when he did start playing there, how many tournaments did he play a year? He never played the circuit except early and late in his career...
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    Was Connors cheated out of the CYGS in 1974?

    That's funny. I saw him slide plenty of times on US clay. They are not that different, at least results wise. Check the quarters on in the 75-77 US Opens. How many s/v do you see? Check the US summer circuits these years. Who is winning. Are Tanner, Ashe, Gottfried and Tanner winning...
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    Match Stats/Report - McEnroe vs Lendl, Canadian Open final, 1985

    Man, I had no recollection of Lendl s/v that much in this match. I really thought, based on his 2 summer wins over him, that Mcenroe was a pretty heavy favorite in the US Open finals. That's why they play the matches.
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    Match Stats/Report - Agassi vs Connors, US Open quarter-final, 1988

    I remember McEnroe being in the crowd for this match. Then in the third set, when Connors was getting killed, someone yelled down some encouragement to him. He just stopped his serve, looked up at the guy, and smiled. Connors pretty much owned the crowd every time he played there the last...
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    Match Stats/Report - Agassi vs Connors, US Open quarter-final, 1988

    The 2 matches where he had a very high total were the 1988 Wilander match and the 1991 Krickstein match. But I wouldn't use insane. There were other matches, 70s matches, where he didn't come in as much, but his % of total points at net was higher.
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    Agassi vs. Connors In prime

    Who knows where things will go? I just think it's very difficult with today's racquets I'm talking point in and point out. Federer has shown you can mix it on to a pretty good degree. A lot more than I see in most of the men's matches I see. Which, admttedly, outside of the top guys, is not...
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    Match Stats/Report - Agassi vs Connors, US Open quarter-final, 1988

    I just edited my reply to add more stuff. I don't agree that he was more likely to take chances from the baselne as he got older. If anything, he took less chances. Find me a 1980s match where he goes for broke like he did in the 1976 US Open final. Now, he might come to the net more...
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    Match Stats/Report - Agassi vs Connors, US Open quarter-final, 1988

    I didn't say he couldn't do it at all, but not very much. If he tried to do it all the time, he would have been massacred, IMO. On that surface, with Agassi's serve. As far as how much he came in later in his career, I can assure you that t wasn't more often, hell as often as he came in...
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    Match Stats/Report - Connors vs Edberg, US Open fourth round, 1989

    I think he just had an off day in 89. And Connors played great. It happens, even in grand slam events, with the best players. With players ranked a lot lower than Connors was then. Just a bad day. Not too many Connors and Federer n their primes where they just never lose early like that...
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    Match Stats/Report - Agassi vs Connors, US Open quarter-final, 1988

    Surprised to see you say that you think this was as good as you'd seen Connors serve, especially with the disparity in unreturned serves. I don't think it would have been a good idea for Connors to do more than mix in the occasional s/v. Not on that surface, considering the quality of Connors...
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    Agassi vs. Connors In prime

    This is true. I didn't even bring it up. Serves are bigger in general. Djokovic is facing bigger serves, but he has better equipment in his racquet as well. Also, a place like Wimbledon have other factors that help the returner vs 30 and 40 years ago. The grass is slower and better...
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    Match Stats/Report - Connors vs Edberg, US Open fourth round, 1989

    Considering that Lendl and Edberg were pretty close to even in lifetime head to head, I'd say he gave him some problems. That's the point, Connors and Edberg didn't meet in each of their primes. And Edberg beat him straight sets a few times. They really didn't play that much going over about...
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    Match Stats/Report - Connors vs Edberg, US Open fourth round, 1989

    It's the same argument regarding the matchup. You can't just discount all Edberg's later wins because Connors was older and ignore that almost all Connors wins came before Edberg hit his prime. If it counts one way then it counts the other. USA network did show it, but not all of it. They...
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    Agassi vs. Connors In prime

    Again, because Mcenroe is following his serve to net and giving Connors a target. Now, how many wnners did Connors hit when Mcenroe stayed back on his serve? About the same amount as he had against Lendl. Well, he had the one on match point in 1983. That's about it. That's what Djokovic...
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    Agassi vs. Connors In prime

    Sure 1st serve returns count a lot. But when Lendl was only serving 50% that's half the points are 2nd serves. What does how Lendl played 2 weeks earlier have to do with that match? Hell, Lendl played great against Mcenroe a day earlier. Connors didn't lose a set before the 1975 Wimbledon...
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    Agassi vs. Connors In prime

    Sorry, that's crazy. No tennis expert would say that. Well, none I ever saw talk about it You could say he was a good to very good volleyer, but not so good that he ranks right beneath the all time best volleyers. Connors didn't do much chipping and charging. He came in behind very...
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    Agassi vs. Connors In prime

    I also think that is too hard on Connors' serve. I would not call it bad, but sure not a weapon.
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    Agassi vs. Connors In prime

    I'd probably give Connors the edge. More about how good I thought his was. Damn straight there was nothing wrong with Agassi's
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    Agassi vs. Connors In prime

    Regarding Connors' backhand. I would never give Agassi the edge there. How high on the list it goes we can debate. Great, great shot, though.
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    Agassi vs. Connors In prime

    You can say that again. We sure aren't watching the same matches if you don't think Djokovic consistently puts servers in trouble right off the return. I don't mean clean winners. I mean returns hit so hard and deep that they produce a defensive shot from the server. A shot which puts...
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    Agassi vs. Connors In prime

    I think it is that caliber. IMO, the best return I've seen in putting a server who stays back in immediate trouble right off the return. It's conjecture on how he'd do against a serve/volleyer like Edberg because he doesn't face them. But I'd suspect with today's racket technology and grass...
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    Match Stats/Report - Agassi vs Lendl, Canadian Open final, 1992

    1999 French, he may have turned it around with net play, but he still was only at the net 29 times in over 300 points. The Edberg one is wow, though. Far, far less net approaches with basically the same net winners. Never would think that would happen.
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