‘Australian Open won’t happen under current restrictions,’ warns Craig Tiley

badteeth

Rookie
Meanwhile we just had a goddamn football game with interstate players and production teams here in Brisbane with a crowd of 52,000. I work in customer service here in the city and the amount of visible symptoms and lack of hygiene hour to hour, every single day is amazing. Australians rarely get tested (unless it's regular weekly checks forced by employers - hospitals etc.) and just have their heads in the sand.
 

Fedinkum

Legend
It doesn't have to be held in Melbourne. Brisbane is pretty much COVID free right now and Sydney isn't too bad.
I was really surprised they rule out all other safer states so early and committed to Melbourne which ironically was the worst hit city in Australia. Someone suggested splitting the ATP and WTA AO to the safer cities which is not a bad idea.

May be it was the other way around, maybe none of the other state premiers wanted to host an international events that have little financial interests to the states, and risk inviting a big group of international players and their staff to their Covid safe state.
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
Yea that isn't coming.
I have something really important to tell you.
You better sit down.

You have jumped into our Universe from a Parallel one.

In this Universe, the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic has been ravaging our Earth since January.

Since the start of this year, several organisations have been developing Vaccines. Some of them are already in Stage 3 Trials and appear to some of the most effective vaccines ever developed in the whole history of humankind ... in this Universe!

Treatments and Cures for this virus have evolved significantly over the past 6 months as the humans of this Universe learned more about the virus.

So it is unfortunate that you are all alone in this Universe lost to all of you family and friends.

The good news is that if you to contract the virus and get sick, you have a better than 50:50 chance of surviving it to live out the rest of your days here.

The even better news ... you will be able to watch the 2021 Australian Open when it is staged in Melbourne in a couple of months from now.
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
I was really surprised they rule out all other safer states so early and committed to Melbourne which ironically was the worst hit city in Australia. Someone suggested splitting the ATP and WTA AO to the safer cities which is not a bad idea.
Tiley and his people need the event to be held in Melbourne close to their Air Conditioned Tennis Australia Skyscraper Headquarters at Melbourne Park.

Sydney does not have enough courts to stage the complete Tournament.

Brisbane has enough courts to stage the complete Tournament but it is too hot there at this time of year. The Heat Rules would handicap the Tournament because they don't have an Indoor Stadium.

The AO is not an ATP or WTA event. It is an ITF Event. From what I understand, it is not that simple to split ITF Events up for various political and legal reasons. And I imagine TA would not want to split it up because it might become a bit of a logistical nightmare.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The problem is bringing in foreigners during a pandemic, not the covid-status of any particular city.

I don't see the Queensland Government being overly excited by an influx of overseas tennis players even if they are happy to put on matches for the locals.

So it's the last paragraph here that's spot on the money.

Another curious fact is that planes aren't flying so people can't get home for the standard fare, so you are paying around US20k for a one-way trip to Australia.

It doesn't have to be held in Melbourne. Brisbane is pretty much COVID free right now and Sydney isn't too bad.
I was really surprised they rule out all other safer states so early and committed to Melbourne which ironically was the worst hit city in Australia. Someone suggested splitting the ATP and WTA AO to the safer cities which is not a bad idea.

May be it was the other way around, maybe none of the other state premiers wanted to host an international events that have little financial interests to the states, and risk inviting a big group of international players and their staff to their Covid safe state.
 

Fedinkum

Legend
Tiley and his people need the event to be held in Melbourne close to their Air Conditioned Tennis Australia Skyscraper Headquarters at Melbourne Park.

Sydney does not have enough courts to stage the complete Tournament.

Brisbane has enough courts to stage the complete Tournament but it is too hot there at this time of year. The Heat Rules would handicap the Tournament because they don't have an Indoor Stadium.

The AO is not an ATP or WTA event. It is an ITF Event. From what I understand, it is not that simple to split ITF Events up for various political and legal reasons. And I imagine TA would not want to split it up because it might become a bit of a logistical nightmare.
Just a plausible idea if Melbourne is hit by a 3rd wave and the organisers still wantIng to commit to AO 2020 telecasting. It is an extreme measure but I say plausible.

I think both Sydney and Brisbane is capable to run half of the slam splitting Ladies and Men’s. Brisbane is obviously hotter than Melbourne on average but Sydney is definitely no worst than Melbourne temperature wise.
 

Fedinkum

Legend
The problem is bringing in foreigners during a pandemic, not the covid-status of any particular city.

I don't see the Queensland Government being overly excited by an influx of overseas tennis players even if they are happy to put on matches for the locals.

So it's the last paragraph here that's spot on the money.

Another curious fact is that planes aren't flying so people can't get home for the standard fare, so you are paying around US20k for a one-way trip to Australia.
I agreed and I already mentioned that in the same post.
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
Just a plausible idea
It is an extreme measure but I say plausible.
My experiences of Craig Tiley also reflected in what others who deal with him regularly have told me is that if the AO can't be conducted at Melbourne Park in January, it won't be conducted in January. If it weren't to go ahead in January, they could find a slot for it in March or in October / November. That is more likely than shifting it elsewhere in January.

But I still think it will go ahead in Melbourne in January unless there is a huge Third Wave here. So the whole thing really is out of Tiley's hands. He and we all have to hope that the virus numbers stay low through December and January.

Should also point out the Victorian Government has just announced a Hard Border closure with South Australia for 48 hours pending the introduction of a Permit System.

This is the first time that Victoria has closed its Borders to anyone as a result of this pandemic.
 

Fedinkum

Legend
My experiences of Craig Tiley also reflected in what others who deal with him regularly have told me is that if the AO can't be conducted at Melbourne Park in January, it won't be conducted in January. If it weren't to go ahead in January, they could find a slot for it in March or in October / November. That is more likely than shifting it elsewhere in January.

But I still think it will go ahead in Melbourne in January unless there is a huge Third Wave here. So the whole thing really is out of Tiley's hands. He and we all have to hope that the virus numbers stay low through December and January.

Should also point out the Victorian Government has just announced a Hard Border closure with South Australia for 48 hours pending the introduction of a Permit System.

This is the first time that Victoria has closed its Borders to anyone as a result of this pandemic.
Yeah, prostponing is another option. Probably the best one if circumstances doesn’t allow AO to take place this summer.
 

aus89

New User
watching the news today in Aus - big issues are flight prices/availability - and obviously the distance is much more than flying to US or Europe so if youre not able to pay for a direct flight (believe they only book first class generally internationally), it could be days of flying with 15 stop offs in various countries with different virus rules/situations - making it a difficult proposition for players, officials AND the government co-ordinating a bubble for tennis players
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
making it a difficult proposition for players, officials AND the government co-ordinating a bubble for tennis players
A lack of International Players is no impediment to staging the Australian Open. As we are constantly reminded on these threads, many of the best International players bypassed the AO in the 1970s and early 1980s.

Tennis Australia and Tiley are trying to organise a Tournament with International Players because it makes them more money. So TA is being driven purely by Financial goals. That isn't the way it should be.

The Australian Open is first and foremost the Australian Championships. Sporting Events should never be shut down just because every desirable competitor cannot participate. Tough! That's Life! TA pays the top players a small fortune in Appearance Fees just to get the best players to come. That is wrong. That money should be used to develop the sport in the country the National Association serves.

TA's biggest failure in the last 20 years has been its inability to deliver several Australian players to at least the QF Stage of the AO on a regular basis.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Meanwhile we just had a goddamn football game with interstate players and production teams here in Brisbane with a crowd of 52,000. I work in customer service here in the city and the amount of visible symptoms and lack of hygiene hour to hour, every single day is amazing. Australians rarely get tested (unless it's regular weekly checks forced by employers - hospitals etc.) and just have their heads in the sand.
Username checks out :sneaky:
 

aus89

New User
A lack of International Players is no impediment to staging the Australian Open. As we are constantly reminded on these threads, many of the best International players bypassed the AO in the 1970s and early 1980s.

Tennis Australia and Tiley are trying to organise a Tournament with International Players because it makes them more money. So TA is being driven purely by Financial goals. That isn't the way it should be.

The Australian Open is first and foremost the Australian Championships. Sporting Events should never be shut down just because every desirable competitor cannot participate. Tough! That's Life! TA pays the top players a small fortune in Appearance Fees just to get the best players to come. That is wrong. That money should be used to develop the sport in the country the National Association serves.

TA's biggest failure in the last 20 years has been its inability to deliver several Australian players to at least the QF Stage of the AO on a regular basis.
Haha well I think we are well past the 1970s and its certainly completely disingenuous to claim that one of the four grand slams is really just the Championships of Australian Tennis as it might have been at one point historically... Grand Slams are events for the top 128 ish players in the world (along with qualifiers etc...)
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Meanwhile we just had a goddamn football game with interstate players and production teams here in Brisbane with a crowd of 52,000. I work in customer service here in the city and the amount of visible symptoms and lack of hygiene hour to hour, every single day is amazing. Australians rarely get tested (unless it's regular weekly checks forced by employers - hospitals etc.) and just have their heads in the sand.
You're not really comparing an event of Australians and only Australians to a global sporting event which would feature people from the worst hit countries like: France, the United States, Brazil, Spain and so many more? Surely i've read this post wrong. It's almost been a week since that event and we've had no detection in our sewage, we have world class testing and any moment they detect covid in the sewage they urge testing. We can host 50,000 people and not get cases. You know how easy it is for one tennis player to bring Covid? Did you see what happened at other tournaments? Paire positive at the USO, bunch of players booted from the tournament for being in contact with him including the controversial Mannarino decision. Moutet positive at the Paris Masters.

And that's in countries where they've decided to live and die with this virus, can you imagine the national uproar if Covid was brought to our shores and community transmission all because of a tennis event? Come on..
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
Haha well I think we are well past the 1970s and its certainly completely disingenuous to claim that one of the four grand slams is really just the Championships of Australian Tennis as it might have been at one point historically... Grand Slams are events for the top 128 ish players in the world (along with qualifiers etc...)
The Australian Open is an ITF Sanctioned Tournament. They are organised and run by the local National Tennis Associations NOT by the ATP or WTA. Unlike ATP and WTA Tournaments, To this day Amateur players can be invited to play in the Tournament (eg. Given a Wild Card). That is why it is called the Australian OPEN. That is actually the case for all Four Major Tournaments.

And Yes, the Australian Open IS the Australian National Tennis Championship. Always has been. Always will be.

I will tell what is disingenuous ... the idea that Tennis Australia would refuse to run an Australian National Championships simply on the basis of foreign player availability.

BTW, the Australian OPEN is for the Top 128 players who are accepted into the Main Draw. The criteria used to determine the Top 128 players is decided by Tennis Australia.
 

aus89

New User
The Australian Open is an ITF Sanctioned Tournament. They are organised and run by the local National Tennis Associations NOT by the ATP or WTA. Unlike ATP and WTA Tournaments, To this day Amateur players can be invited to play in the Tournament (eg. Given a Wild Card). That is why it is called the Australian OPEN. That is actually the case for all Four Major Tournaments.

And Yes, the Australian Open IS the Australian National Tennis Championship. Always has been. Always will be.

I will tell what is disingenuous ... the idea that Tennis Australia would refuse to run an Australian National Championships simply on the basis of foreign player availability.

BTW, the Australian OPEN is for the Top 128 players who are accepted into the Main Draw. The criteria used to determine the Top 128 players is decided by Tennis Australia.
And they could probably do that (subject to the Grand Slam Board approval) - but then would they expect the ATP/WTA to still award their ranking points to the winner, the ATP and WTA certainly wouldn't do that, so it would just be an ITF exhibition for Aussie players? The prize money is equal to its value as one of the four most prestigious tennis tournaments in the world, so that would be gone too - at which point it is not the "Australian Open" it is just an exhibition tournament with De Minaur, Kokkinakis, Kyrigos, Millman and maybe Tomic if his porn career hasn't taken off by then... don't think anyone is going to pay much attention to that - have a modicum of common sense...
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
The USTA was quite prepared to run the US Open with purely US Players. As was the FFT with Roland Garros.

I don't know why you think Australia and TA should be lackeys. I don't care who plays the Tournament, I simply want to see it staged. Don't care about Ranking Points. Don't care about Mega Prize money either. (The current Prize Money break down is obscene anyway.)

Every year, TA runs National Championships for all the usual Age Levels. The players play for the Trophy and the prestige of winning a National Championship.

You are basically saying that the Australian Tennis Public and Tennis Australia should be held to ransom by the International tennis community. I say we should be loyal to our own first, just like the FFT and the USTA.

The idea that the Australian Open should not be staged simply because many overseas players cannot come here is ridiculous. We no longer need to tug the forelock to anyone.
 

aus89

New User
It's not about being lackeys, nor is it about "shouldn't be staged because overseas players can't come" - it's about spending a lot of money for no reason (not just the tournament/Tennis Australia - what are the costs of running it to the taxpayers?) They can run whatever boondock hit and giggle they want - what does holding a tournament no-one takes seriously achieve for anyone? The economics of running a big tournament like that with only Aus players are very different to doing that in US or Europe (France never had closed borders to the rest of Europe) - What does that do for the credibility of the Australian Open as a grand slam? If people get sick there (or as a result of someone bringing covid from overseas to play, the general community has an outbreak), what does that achieve?

I'd argue Australia cares much less about tennis than they do about cricket or football and that is why tennis is a maybe at this point while other events go ahead.
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
Fair enough.
Regardless of what we say, the AO will go ahead because of pressure from various circles.

Looks like the final decision on Dates and Quarantine particulars will be announced in the next 24 hours ...

 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Fair enough.
Regardless of what we say, the AO will go ahead because of pressure from various circles.

Looks like the final decision on Dates and Quarantine particulars will be announced in the next 24 hours ...

Will go ahead? As in it'll be delayed or do you think it'll happen at the exact same time as normal?
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
My best guess ... AO will be delayed by one week.

Main Draw Matches will commence on Monday 25th February 2021. Men's Final will be scheduled for Sunday 7th February 2021.
 
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