“He Is Already The Best Tennis Player In History”- Goran Ivanisevic On Novak Djokovic

Lew II

G.O.A.T.

“I repeat, for me, he is already the best tennis player in history. When he is present, ready and healthy, there is no one better.”

“What will be looked at at the end of their careers will be decided by people, but I think Novak will be the best in all relevant categories.”

“I do not believe Novak will play for another five years, although he has a very good five years. He will most likely top the Federer record for most weeks at No 1 after the US Open and the record for most weeks at No 1 after the US Open and the record for most grand slams next year.”
 

tennisaddict

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Amazing circle when you think about it. Back in 2001, in the Pilic academy in Munich, Novak was Goran's ball boy and carrying his snacks. Now Goran is there to help Novak try and break the records.

While Fed and Nadal accomplished all they can with no help or unknown names like Lundgren, Carter and Toni Nadal, Djokovic has always had to seek the help of star powers.
 
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So very predictable, talking Ivanisevic down for expressing an opinion that's not favorable to Federer. Give it a rest.
 
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A kind and surely impartial remark by Goran about his CURRENT EMPLOYER.

Ridiculous thread.

Don't be silly. Ivanisevic is just stating something that most people think will eventually happen. Nothing ridiculous about that or the thread.

I say the same thing and Djokovic is not my employer. Does that make my opinion any more authentic? :cautious:
 

RS

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“I repeat, for me, he is already the best tennis player in history. When he is present, ready and healthy, there is no one better.”

“What will be looked at at the end of their careers will be decided by people, but I think Novak will be the best in all relevant categories.”

“I do not believe Novak will play for another five years, although he has a very good five years. He will most likely top the Federer record for most weeks at No 1 after the US Open and the record for most weeks at No 1 after the US Open and the record for most grand slams next year.”
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Don't be silly. Ivanisevic is just stating something that most people think will eventually happen. Nothing ridiculous about that or the thread.

I say the same thing and Djokovic is not my employer. Does that make my opinion any more authentic? :cautious:

Yes because your nose is so far up Sampras' butt, it results in Federer hate, which in turn translates to inauthentic opinions regarding Federer's rivals.
 

Hitman

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“I repeat, for me, he is already the best tennis player in history. When he is present, ready and healthy, there is no one better.”

“What will be looked at at the end of their careers will be decided by people, but I think Novak will be the best in all relevant categories.”

“I do not believe Novak will play for another five years, although he has a very good five years. He will most likely top the Federer record for most weeks at No 1 after the US Open and the record for most weeks at No 1 after the US Open and the record for most grand slams next year.”

No sure why you mis-quoted him in the title thread, giving only part of a quoted sentence, even if the title of that article is slightly misleading.

I repeat, for me, he is already the best tennis player in history

He is only giving his personal opinion and there is nothing wrong with that. I love Goran, and he is entitled to it, but the way the title thread comes off, it looks like it is being declared as a matter for fact. Many people have Novak as the greatest now, like many have Rafa, and many still have Roger, and some even have Rod. And that's all fine considering the titanic achievements of them all.
 
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Yes because your nose is so far up Sampras' butt, it results in Federer hate, which in turn translates to inauthentic opinions regarding Federer's rivals.

Look, ya big gal's blouse ... if you're going to insult someone, at least do it with some class! You could learn a thing or 3 from your fellow Federer's fans, for example @tennisaddict or @tennis_pro or @junior74 , who can dish it out as good as anyone, yet manage to bring a smile on their victim's faces!

But you, on the other hand, simply come across as a bitter and disgruntled Federer fan who has let Federer's losses to key opponents get to your head.
 
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Look, ya big gal's blouse ... if you're going to insult someone, at least do it with some class! You could learn a thing or 3 from your fellow Federer's fans, for example @tennisaddict or @tennis_pro, who can dish it out as good as anyone, yet manage to bring a smile on their victim's faces!

But you, on the other hand, simply come across as a bitter and disgruntled Federer fan who has let Federer's losses to key opponents get to your head.

Well at least you were authentic in not denying the truth of my post. I'll give you that, kudos!(y)
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
No sure why you mis-quoted him in the title thread, giving only part of a quoted sentence, even if the title of that article is slightly misleading.

I repeat, for me, he is already the best tennis player in history

He is only giving his personal opinion and there is nothing wrong with that. I love Goran, and he is entitled to it, but the way the title thread comes off, it looks like it is being declared as a matter for fact. Many people have Novak as the greatest now, like many have Rafa, and many still have Roger, and some even have Rod. And that's all fine considering the titanic achievements of them all.
That's the title of the article.
 
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Djokovic will never win as many slams as Rafa, despite being injured significantly less than Rafa :)
Only a drunk would rate Djokovic higher than Rafa....
 

TMF

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I remember people saying the same thing about Fed before he even passed Sampras record. I wonder why the deja vu feeling.
Those people were not employed by Federer, unlike Goran who gets paid for being Nole's coach.

Big difference
 

Hitman

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That's the title of the article.

I know it is, and it is misleading, and can be seen as some sort of objective fact collected statement. It is an opinion, which he very clearly states in that very sentence. Instead of quoting the article title, it would be better to accurately quote the actual person would said it, so people don't reach false conclusions on what he said. The article title is misleading. Goran speaks only for himself here.
 

tennis_pro

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Djokovic will never win as many slams as Rafa, despite being injured significantly less than Rafa :)
Only a drunk would rate Djokovic higher than Rafa....
This is pretty funny considering that if Djokovic wins the FO in 2020 it will go from "Djokovic will never win as many Slams as Nadal" to "When will Djokovic surpass Nadal".

You do realize that it's a 2 Slam difference, Djokovic is a year younger and way closer to his prime level than Nadal is to his?
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
Agree or disagree (and as I've posted ad nauseum in TTW, this mythical designation is still very much in motion), there's no analysis here, and it's by someone in Novak's camp. I find these type of threads to be nonsensical.

What I don't really care for are the boastful pronouncements by Goran and Novak's dad. I'm more than fine with Novak saying, candidly, that he is pursuing those records.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
I know it is, and it is misleading, and can be seen as some sort of objective fact collected statement. It is an opinion, which he very clearly states in that very sentence. Instead of quoting the article title, it would be better to accurately quote the actual person would said it, so people don't reach false conclusions on what he said. The article title is misleading. Goran speaks only for himself here.
It's a quote, so it's an opinion.
 

Hitman

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It's a quote, so it's an opinion.

A quote doesn't have to always be an opinion. You can be quoting the truth from evidence, as you would do in a court of law. It is always best never to only show part of someone's quote, because you are actually doing them a disservice because you open up what they say to wrong interpretation.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
A quote doesn't have to always be an opinion. You can be quoting the truth from evidence, as you would do in a court of law. It is always best never to only show part of someone's quote, because you are actually doing them a disservice because you open up what they say to wrong interpretation.
Everything about GOAT/BOAT is an opinion. Writing "IMO", "for me" etc. is unnecessary.
 

Hitman

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Everything about GOAT/BOAT is an opinion. Writing "IMO", "for me" etc. is pleonastic.

Opinion or not, you shouldn't first of all assume that that is how people will take it, unless you put it out there in your actual statement, and secondly you shouldn't mis-quote someone either. Just by adding the few words at the start changed how many would perceive his statement, and more in accordance to what he would have wanted them to get from it.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Opinion or not, you shouldn't first of all assume that that is how people will take it, unless you put it out there in your actual statement, and secondly you shouldn't mis-quote someone either. Just by adding the few words at the start changed how many would perceive his statement, and more in accordance to what he would have wanted them to get from it.
It makes no difference to me.

If you read "that woman is beautiful" isn't the same as "that woman is beautiful for me" ?
 

Hitman

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It makes no difference to me.

If you read "that woman is beautiful" isn't the same as "that woman is beautiful for me" ?

There you go with the assumption thing again, thinking it doesn't make a difference to anyone else, when you are in fact sharing this out on a public forum after all. Greatest of all time statement doesn't have to be only opinion, if there is an accurate way of finding it that is objective, it can indeed be a fact, because numbers are involved. For instance, the guy who won the first Wimbledon title, at that point he was the greatest of all time since he won the only tournament that took place against the only competitive tennis field that ever existed at that point.

The beauty statement is not the same, that is based more on a feeling and attraction. The same way I can say the movie was boring. How do you objectively quantify it?
 
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Ivanisevic probably feels Djokovic wins over Oldеrer at WB is proxy revenge for Goran's losses to PETE.
Instead, Goran should be thankful to Fred as he cleaned his road to the title in 2001 by beating PETE. Headcase that he is, I doubt he would've beaten Sampras in 2001 as he folded every time he played him at Wimbledon bar 1992. He'd developed a fear of him over the years and I can't see him handling it.
 
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Instead, Goran should be thankful to Fred as he cleaned his road to the title in 2001 by beating PETE. Headcase that he is, I doubt he would've beaten Sampras in 2001 as he folded every time he played him at Wimbledon bar 1992. He'd developed a fear of him over the years and I can't see him handling it.

A full circle ... Goran was afraid of Pete, Federer is afraid of Djokovic and Goran now coaches Djokovic :)
 

Phoenix1983

G.O.A.T.
There you go with the assumption thing again, thinking it doesn't make a difference to anyone else, when you are in fact sharing this out on a public forum after all. Greatest of all time statement doesn't have to be only opinion, if there is an accurate way of finding it that is objective, it can indeed be a fact, because numbers are involved. For instance, the guy who won the first Wimbledon title, at that point he was the greatest of all time since he won the only tournament that took place against the only competitive tennis field that ever existed at that point.

The beauty statement is not the same, that is based more on a feeling and attraction. The same way I can say the movie was boring. How do you objectively quantify it?

I actually agree with Lew (for once) on this one. It's pretty obvious the title expresses Goran's opinion, in the same way that all these threads saying "Former Player X says Federer/ Nadal/ Novak Djokovic are the GOAT" are.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
There you go with the assumption thing again, thinking it doesn't make a difference to anyone else, when you are in fact sharing this out on a public forum after all. Greatest of all time statement doesn't have to be only opinion, if there is an accurate way of finding it that is objective, it can indeed be a fact, because numbers are involved. For instance, the guy who won the first Wimbledon title, at that point he was the greatest of all time since he won the only tournament that took place against the only competitive tennis field that ever existed at that point.

The beauty statement is not the same, that is based more on a feeling and attraction. The same way I can say the movie was boring. How do you objectively quantify it?
Tell that website then. I didn't write the title of the article and I couldn't care less about it.
 

Phoenix1983

G.O.A.T.
Anyway, I think we can all agree on the following:

Good Goran says Federer is GOAT
Bad Goran says Novak Djokovic is GOAT
Emergency Goran says PETE is GOAT
 

“I repeat, for me, he is already the best tennis player in history. When he is present, ready and healthy, there is no one better.”

“What will be looked at at the end of their careers will be decided by people, but I think Novak will be the best in all relevant categories.”

“I do not believe Novak will play for another five years, although he has a very good five years. He will most likely top the Federer record for most weeks at No 1 after the US Open and the record for most weeks at No 1 after the US Open and the record for most grand slams next year.”

Some Federer and Rafa fans are triggered by this, which objectively speaking, may probably happen, That Djokovic will have the most number of Majors and thus be considered the GOAT.

When they all retire, We'll know for sure, no ?
 
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