“I don’t think it’s a flag issue, it’s a Novak, Rafa, Federer issue; they are a big problem for everyone” - Frances Tiafoe on US Men's Tennis

There is obviously nothing wrong with the system overall as US women’s tennis has been going gangbusters for years with multiple major finalists and multiple major winners in the last 10 years.

The U.S. pushes women's sports A LOT though. You can't compare results across the two. Men's sports is far more competitive.

In fact, I think you could actually make the opposite point: that the USTA is overrated because women's sports are pushed so hard in the U.S. and thus they have an abundance of talent that most other countries don't.
 

The young American was recently asked about why US men's tennis has had so little success in the 21st century and his response was essentially, US tennis isn't bad and it's not a nationality matter, but rather we have to face big 3 like everyone else.

However, despite facing big 3 is as big of a mountain as any, how many American players have been directly stopped from winning slams due to the big 3? Roddick was stopped by Federer but do we consider Roddick to be big 3 era or just Fed era? If Berdych/Tsonga/Ferrer say they were stopped by big 3 from winning slams I'd understand that but no US player since the creation of the big 3 has been on the Berdych/Tsonga/Ferrer level.

The only instance I can think of where an American player might've had a chance to win w/o big 3's presence is 2019 Wimbledon when Rafa beat Querrey and in a no-big 3 world, Querrey would've only needed to beat Nishikori and RBA to win the title. Frtiz would've likely lost to Kyrgios without Djokodal in the picture this year
He’s not wrong entirely. Roddick would have 4-5 slams if Fed hadn’t been around
 
Tennis is the one sport that women can make good money. Unless you are a very high caliber track and field person, figure skater, gymnast or soccer player. And you have be elite. Women national soccer players now make very good money. But your like one of 20 out of a field of thousands. Basketball players can go overseas to make good money. But we are seeing the consequences to that.
I think someone hit the nail on the head when they said very few people are playing tennis, with more lucrative sports available.

The reason why a lot of parents in my kids' high school are letting their wards play tennis is because they couldn't make the team in the other sports and they have a chance for scholarship when it's time to go to college.
 
The US just go off sports that they don't dominate. They even create their own sports that few other countries play. Why aren't they huge on soccer like almost all the rest of the world? Because they don't dominate it.
This is why pickleball is popular right now, we have 4 out of the top 5 in the world right now ! Go USA !
 
While Tiafoe is correct about the Big 3, America tennis fans, especially on this site, hating hearing what is obvious: The rest of the world have better athletes playing tennis than America. America has tennis players at NBA height, but would struggle to make even a top Division 1 college starting 5 today. They would 60 years ago, depending on the school. And it's not just the tall guys. I can imagine the shorter guys having the athleticism to play shortstop or 3rd base in baseball.

Agassi/Graf kid Jared would have been an ideal tennis player. He pitches and can play 3rd base. That translates into a great arm and movement to back it up.
 
People don’t get it. Nadal is having a great year by tennis standards. He earned 6 million in prize money. The Cleveland browns signed a quarterback for over 200 million dollars who has 20 sexual assault civil allegations against him and has been suspended for the first 6 games. The amount elite athletes make in tennis is like a months work in these other sports for the top guys. Yes nadal is a brand and he’s earned much from endorsements but
so are these other guys. The incentive for a usa man to play tennis is he must love it. Aaron Rodgers for Green Bay packers signed a 3 year 150 million dollar contract at 38 years old. That’s 50 million a year not including what he gets paid in endorsements or playoffs
 
People don’t get it. Nadal is having a great year by tennis standards. He earned 6 million in prize money. The Cleveland browns signed a quarterback for over 200 million dollars who has 20 sexual assault civil allegations against him and has been suspended for the first 6 games. The amount elite athletes make in tennis is like a months work in these other sports for the top guys. Yes nadal is a brand and he’s earned much from endorsements but
so are these other guys. The incentive for a usa man to play tennis is he must love it. Aaron Rodgers for Green Bay packers signed a 3 year 150 million dollar contract at 38 years old. That’s 50 million a year not including what he gets paid in endorsements or playoffs
Nadal comes from the wealthiest family on Majorca, money is utterly immaterial to him. Reeling off his prize money in 2022 is important to you, not to Rafa, who would be egregiously rich even had he never touched a tennis racket.

He's having a superlative year because he's won 2 slams. 6 million in prize money is change to him.
 

The young American was recently asked about why US men's tennis has had so little success in the 21st century and his response was essentially, US tennis isn't bad and it's not a nationality matter, but rather we have to face big 3 like everyone else.

He offered a hollow excuse instead of admitting that American men's tennis has been in a rapid freefall powered by baseline-centric mediocrity for two decades--by design and player acceptance of a most one-dimensional, easy game. Everyone cast from the mold shaped by Bollettieri and his like-minded followers has been an talentless, unimaginative loser, hence at no other point in history had American men's tennis ever witnessed such a long period of absolute failure.
 
The US just go off sports that they don't dominate. They even create their own sports that few other countries play. Why aren't they huge on soccer like almost all the rest of the world? Because they don't dominate it.

That's because like soccer and tennis in the US, our players who are really talented in those sports are being priced out
 
There is obviously nothing wrong with the system overall as US women’s tennis has been going gangbusters for years with multiple major finalists and multiple major winners in the last 10 years.

American female tennis players were not trained in a single, one-dimensional style, or a total lack of court awareness like the "children of Bolletieri" who polluted the men's game for two decades, which is why the women are simply ready to fight and do their jobs, no matter what country they come from. That professional/competitive mindset in an alien language for the legion of check-collecting male players in the U.S.
 
Nadal comes from the wealthiest family on Majorca, money is utterly immaterial to him. Reeling off his prize money in 2022 is important to you, not to Rafa, who would be egregiously rich even had he never touched a tennis racket.

He's having a superlative year because he's won 2 slams. 6 million in prize money is change to him.
Im sure doesnt need the money. But most guys who are on the tour do. Thats the point. The amount guys get paid in tennis is nothing compared to a a decent player in any of the big 4 sports. Or even a really good US soccer player. There are US soccer players in Europe now making more as far as actual paychecks than anybody on the ATP tour. There are 72 players in the MLS which is a third rate soccer league making a million a year or more. The league minimum for which is for journey men in the big four is now over 500,000 a year. The average salary in the NBA is now 8.25 million a year. Thats the average. Stephen Curry is making 54 million a year IN SALARY. I don't think you could make that much in Tennis if you entered every tournament in a calendar year and won all of them.
 
The UK, Switzerland, Argentina, Croatia, Austria, Russia have won 10 Slams between them in that time.
323 million people = Russia + UK + Argentina + Croatia + Austria + Switzerland
329 million people = U.S.

Number of NBA players from the U.S. vs the above list of countries?

The U.S. is one of the wealthiest countries and has over 300 million people, but the U.S. but relatively speaking, not many top players have come from the U.S. in the last 20 years.

I think the USTA has done far from a good job. They should be promoting and developing tennis in middle school, high school and even earlier.
Most of the top junior athletes do not choose to play tennis. The kids prefer basketball, U.S. football, baseball, etc. Go watch a top junior basketball tournaments vs a top junior tennis tournament in the U.S. Quite a difference in athleticism.

I think the number would improve if the USTA invested money into developing and teaching tennis in all the K-12 schools. As it stands now, it costs a lot more money and time to develop or learn to play tennis vs basketball and other sports -- especially if you live in a part of the country that has cold and rainy/snowy winters.
 
I agree with the nature (the great U.S. athletes choose other sports because of "reasons") and nurture (USTA one-dimensional post-Bollettieri teaching methods) arguments and think they are both a significant part of the story. But another part is simply that success breeds success. In the 70s and well into the 80s/90s, tennis was a much more popular sport in the U.S. because we had great players: Ashe, Smith, Connors, McEnroe, Chang, Courier, Sampras, Agassi... Public tennis courts in the 80s were always packed. Tennis was a popular summer sport alternative to blacktop basketball. I was one of many who played both.

I compare it to Sweden and the Borg Effect. After Bjorn, you had SOOO many great Swedish tennis players. Now? You have.... the Ymer brothers(?).
 
323 million people = Russia + UK + Argentina + Croatia + Austria + Switzerland
329 million people = U.S.

Number of NBA players from the U.S. vs the above list of countries?

The U.S. is one of the wealthiest countries and has over 300 million people, but the U.S. but relatively speaking, not many top players have come from the U.S. in the last 20 years.

I think the USTA has done far from a good job. They should be promoting and developing tennis in middle school, high school and even earlier.
Most of the top junior athletes do not choose to play tennis. The kids prefer basketball, U.S. football, baseball, etc. Go watch a top junior basketball tournaments vs a top junior tennis tournament in the U.S. Quite a difference in athleticism.

I think the number would improve if the USTA invested money into developing and teaching tennis in all the K-12 schools. As it stands now, it costs a lot more money and time to develop or learn to play tennis vs basketball and other sports -- especially if you live in a part of the country that has cold and rainy/snowy winters.
Part of the problem with this analysis is that tennis Pros are not evenly distributed in a population. Numbers of Pros is related to the number of motivated parents willing to push their kids at tennis (a la Richard Williams) or at minimum support their kids in tennis, which is not commonly done.
 
Most of the top junior athletes do not choose to play tennis. The kids prefer basketball, U.S. football, baseball, etc.
Yes. Unless you are talking doubles, tennis is more of an individual sport. Sure, there are teams, but when you play you are on the court all by yourself. Not like basketball, football, or baseball when you have buddies on the field with you. Less sense of camaraderie to teenagers who must choose the sport they play. Not to mention the old negative aspersion in the US that tennis is a sport for sissies. cough, cough. Bill Tilden, cough, cough.
 
Yes. Unless you are talking doubles, tennis is more of an individual sport. Sure, there are teams, but when you play you are on the court all by yourself. Not like basketball, football, or baseball when you have buddies on the field with you. Less sense of camaraderie to teenagers who must choose the sport they play. Not to mention the old negative aspersion in the US that tennis is a sport for sissies. cough, cough. Bill Tilden, cough, cough.
99.9 percent of the kids out there have no idea who Bill Tilden is and kids these days don't really care if the older generation thinks they're "sissies" which is why so many of them are happy to play e-sports.
 
Pretty much. Since 2003, the US has still produced quality players/depth but none were actually gonna be big 3 stoppers.

- Roddick was toast the moment Federer arrived
- Blake is pretty much the Shapo of the mid-2000s
- Fish had talent but many limitations
- Isner and Opelka are too one-dimensional despite having godly serves
- Querrey had weapons but never enough consistency to win a major
- Tiafoe doesn't have enough weapons
- Fritz is like Fish where he has talent but too many limitations
Blake and Fish as talented players is certainly a fresh take.
 
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