“Today there is a contamination problem,” WADA chief “The quantities are so small that you can get contaminated by doing harmless things”
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weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Great way to get a bunch of junior players killed
Rovesciarete
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Indeed. Notice also how little the topic of this thread and its implications matter to many. A change in WADA policy would avoid devastating damage to many innocent athletes, among them tennis players, yet to be contaminated.
I expected also some kind of discussion around 'microdosing', a construct which seems to be poorly researched and understood. Instead, we get more posts about the nationality of person x and y.
A couple of months ago I read a news article about sharks all the way from Brazil to the US testing positive for cocaine due to shipments being lost or dumped in the ocean.
You'd think the Atlantic Ocean was big enough to dilute the quantities relevant here, but modern blood tests could still pick it up
You'd think the Atlantic Ocean was big enough to dilute the quantities relevant here, but modern blood tests could still pick it up
Rovesciarete
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A couple of months ago I read a news article about sharks all the way from Brazil to the US testing positive for cocaine due to shipments being lost or dumped in the ocean.
You'd think the Atlantic Ocean was big enough to dilute the quantities relevant here, but modern blood tests could still pick it up
An interesting read for sure! Here we have the study discussing the 'Cocaine Sharks'.
FreeJannik
New User
Basically they know the problem... but they still want to ban Sinner for 2 years...
even if they know the contamination is irrelevant and incidental
It's like to say:
"We know that this guy is innocent, but the opportunity to destroy a very promising career is too good to let it go! "
even if they know the contamination is irrelevant and incidental
It's like to say:
"We know that this guy is innocent, but the opportunity to destroy a very promising career is too good to let it go! "
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
I do believe there can be accidental contaminants, yes. However I've mentioned for the last decade now with the big 3, designer PED's now dissipate and are variants that are currently NOT banned, so a bit of a free for all. Then the prevalence of mcirodosing has been a huge topic in sports coming over from psychedelics, but for PEDs. Even before, transfusion and blood filtering are always subjects of concern.
Ya get 5 people on a team behind one player who stands to win 10's of millions of dollars, and whelp....you know how some people can turn.
Sports today is certainly not the sports of yor...
Ya get 5 people on a team behind one player who stands to win 10's of millions of dollars, and whelp....you know how some people can turn.
Sports today is certainly not the sports of yor...
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
WADA is officially asking for at least a one year ban. But it is all for show.
WADA will be happy with a slap on the wrist similar to what we have just seen with the Iga case.
INDEED! Unfortunately, that will not happen anytime soon.
FreeJannik
New User
i don't know what to think...
maybe i miss some subtle implication...
but what is the purpose of appealing against Sinner decision and ask for a 2 year ban?
... a 2 year ban for a tennis player is a "death sentence", we are talking about ruining the life of a human being for an incidental contact without any practical consequence.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
A two-year ban is just the maximum, but practical consequences are too expensive to police. If it's in your system then the presumption is you're doping.
FreeJannik
New User
i understand but i still think it's all ********
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
WADA just wants to put on appearances that it is tough on doping, so it appealed the Tribunal decision.
WADA is also a bureaucracy that needs to justify its own existence. So it appeals. It is asking for 1 to 2 year and Sinner will likely get 6 months at worst.
Sinner is a God in Italy. There will be mass riots in Italy if Sinner is banned long term. It will not happen!
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The ITIA is a bureaucracy so it needs to justify its existence by getting three wise horse hairs to agree with it.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
It's harsh but it's hardly new and until two number ones were caught not too many people worried about it.
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
Our favourite Bart can shake your hand and contaminate you with clostebol. It is true. It has happened.
And tests are now sensitive enough to detect it. Changes are soon coming to this harsh draconian doping system. The WADA leaders themselves have alluded to this.
Casual Contact: Studies have demonstrated that transient skin contact with an area where clostebol has been applied can result in detectable amounts of the drug in urine. This includes scenarios such as handshakes or other forms of casual physical contact
These cases underscore the challenges in distinguishing between intentional doping and accidental contamination through casual contact.
WADA President Witold Bańka and the head of the Polish Anti-Doping Agency (POLADA) Michał Rynkowski also drew attention to this problem during a recent meeting with journalists.
- To imagine the scale of sensitivity of today's devices, it can be said that they are able to detect a drop of a prohibited substance released into a water-filled Olympic pool - explained Bańka.
The head of POLADA, on the other hand, cited an example of an experiment in which traces of an illegal substance were detected in samples taken from people who previously handed a person using an ointment with a prohibited agent.
"If there were minimum thresholds for these substances, we probably wouldn't have heard about all these cases at all," Niggli said. "However, we need to understand whether we are ready to accept the risk of microdosing and where these limits should be put," he said.
And tests are now sensitive enough to detect it. Changes are soon coming to this harsh draconian doping system. The WADA leaders themselves have alluded to this.
Casual Contact: Studies have demonstrated that transient skin contact with an area where clostebol has been applied can result in detectable amounts of the drug in urine. This includes scenarios such as handshakes or other forms of casual physical contact
These cases underscore the challenges in distinguishing between intentional doping and accidental contamination through casual contact.
WADA President Witold Bańka and the head of the Polish Anti-Doping Agency (POLADA) Michał Rynkowski also drew attention to this problem during a recent meeting with journalists.
- To imagine the scale of sensitivity of today's devices, it can be said that they are able to detect a drop of a prohibited substance released into a water-filled Olympic pool - explained Bańka.
The head of POLADA, on the other hand, cited an example of an experiment in which traces of an illegal substance were detected in samples taken from people who previously handed a person using an ointment with a prohibited agent.
"If there were minimum thresholds for these substances, we probably wouldn't have heard about all these cases at all," Niggli said. "However, we need to understand whether we are ready to accept the risk of microdosing and where these limits should be put," he said.
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Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
@The Guru was so indeed good to highlight the key study which explains how easily athletes can be contaminated, for example by a mere handshake:
mtommer
Hall of Fame
For sure when it comes to "what racquet can I buy to get me a better game".
Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
Possibly very big news incoming, will wait for some official documents to comment further. Ubitennis seems to good contacts with relevant parties.
WADA might react indeed, as the informed reader hoped, to recent cases of contamination, imagined as 'doping' by some by:
1) Introducing 'source of contamination' as concept to allow for example for third-party exposure and tainted food
2) Using threshold for certain substances to avoid unjust accusations
Of course it is not yet clear how exactly these new guidelines will turn out or when they will be introduced.
WADA might react indeed, as the informed reader hoped, to recent cases of contamination, imagined as 'doping' by some by:
1) Introducing 'source of contamination' as concept to allow for example for third-party exposure and tainted food
2) Using threshold for certain substances to avoid unjust accusations
Of course it is not yet clear how exactly these new guidelines will turn out or when they will be introduced.
I agree at a certain level, but the thing that keeps getting lost here is that their cases are not all exactly the same
https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/articles/cj4vr7gypqgo
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...lep-tribunal-suspected-blood-doping-wimbledon
And so shouldn't necessarily be treated the same
LOBALOT
Legend
Baloney, it is basically people searching for excuses to cover for their perceived player which makes it even worse.
Is it a promising career or very talented at using shortcuts via drugs to get to the top instead of the hard work most players put into getting to the top.
As a doper his accomplishments are nothing.
FreeJannik
New User
I think you have already decided that he deserve a long term ban, so any possible combination of words I can produce will not change your mind, starting from these premises i don’t see the purpose to start a discussion.
LOBALOT
Legend
That is correct. There is nothing like trying to get to the top of tennis.
To get to top 400 in the world is dog-eat-dog. To get to top 100 is even more nuts. To get to top 10 is even more crazy and the minuscule difference it takes from there to get to the top and what players are trying to do to make it. The incentive to take short cuts is huge.
Once busted there is no likelihood it was an "accidental exposure" or "contamination". It is a doper who chose to take a short cut.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themself or chooses to ignore what is before their eyes simply as a fanboy.
That's very good newsPossibly very big news incoming, will wait for some official documents to comment further. Ubitennis seems to good contacts with relevant parties.
WADA might react indeed, as the informed reader hoped, to recent cases of contamination, imagined as 'doping' by some by:
1) Introducing 'source of contamination' as concept to allow for example for third-party exposure and tainted food
2) Using threshold for certain substances to avoid unjust accusations
Of course it is not yet clear how exactly these new guidelines will turn out or when they will be introduced.
You cannot be serious. I can't believe you honestly think he's a cheat, even if this was excluded by all the experts and the WADA itself. How can you possibly make zero allowance for accidental scenarios? Just let it go, enjoy the tennis and trust the system that's in place. Whatever happens happens.
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