mike danny
Bionic Poster
Age impacts your nervousness. He’d already blown 2 tiebreaks by that point which people gloss over for some reason
“Wish I’d be Federer, I could make an ace at 40/15” – Fonseca wants to change Wimbledon 2019 champion
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
It’s not just about Fed here though, Nole has had blunders against several different players.
GoatNo1
Hall of Fame
everybody has, someone's less than others
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
Yes, Nole more than others, including Fed.
GoatNo1
Hall of Fame
that's probably why he owns all main records in the sport including positive h2h vs all main rivals including fed
mike danny
Bionic Poster
He’s still lost many slams to several different players much weaker than him. He is not perfect or flawless.
GoatNo1
Hall of Fame
nobody is but he was good enough to become the GOAT playing in the golden era of tennis and having 110 matches vs fed and rafa + 36 vs muzza. every member of the big4 + wawa played most matches vs nole: nole-rafa 60 (31-29), nole-fed 50 (27-23), fed rafa 40 (16-24), nole-muzza 36 (25-11), nole-wawa 27 (21-), fed-wawa 26 (23-3), fed-muzza 25 (14-11), rafa-muzza 24 (17-7), rafa-wawa 22 (19-3)!
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
3/4 of his slams came after the golden era.
And Wawa is only a golden era titan because Nole couldn’t stop him
Hitman
Bionic Poster
He did it also when he had just turned 30 at USO 2011, after that return on the first point.
Federer is one of the best servers ever, on Centre Court, when he is the GOAT. I'm sorry age along cannot explain away what happened....he blinked.
This Kid needs to shut up and concentrate on his tennis. Also, there is no guarantee he will ever reach a Wimbledon or any other slam final.
“Wish I’d be Federer, I could make an ace at 40/15” – Fonseca wants to change Wimbledon 2019 champion
Rising tennis star Joao Fonseca isn’t happy with the 2019 Wimbledon gentlemen’s singles final’s outcome that saw Novak Djokovic defeat Roger Federer in a dramatic finish at Centre Court.www.tennismajors.com
Asked if he wished he could have played a match that he only watched, Fonseca said
“The one in 2019, when Roger had match point against Djokovic at Wimbledon. I wish I would be Roger, so I could make an ace at 40/15. I want to change history,” he said.
“I’ve not met Roger yet, but he’s my idol in tennis...."
LOL! More total NONSENSE here;
GoatNo1
Hall of Fame
nope, he become the GOAT in the GOLDen era hawing 110 matches vs fed and rafa, including 35 at slams (winning 18 and won at all 4 slams vs both of them). fed has majority of his slams before it.
nole had 21-6 (5-4 at slams) h2h vs wawa so he did pretty well vs him. fed had 14-11 vs muzza and was negative vs both main rivals (39-51, 10-21 at slams).
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FlyingSaucer
Professional
No it's not. Your continued hyper focus on a tournament that was not held purely because Djokovic has not acquired the record is hilarious. I'm pretty sure he has had two opportunities to equal the record since winning his 7th title.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
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We should take away your Roger guys slams away and see how you cry which will be hilarious.
We should take away your Roger guys slams away and see how you cry which will be hilarious.
FlyingSaucer
Professional
The lack of faith in Djokovic by his fans is an interesting development, I will say.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
No way
We don't have much to do now at age close to 38. He has every single record at slam masters and ATP finals level
It was your federers record. Don't remember fedfan. Let that hurt..
FlyingSaucer
Professional
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
That is your issue that other records don't hurt you. They should but maybe you had no faith in fed.ATP Finals record is the only one that annoys me, truthfully
FlyingSaucer
Professional
Fans' feelings are rarely rational. Your faith argument here makes little sense, though.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
FlyingSaucer
Professional
GoatNo1
Hall of Fame
of course it is asterisked:
nole won W18
nole won W19
W20* canceled (main rival and W19 finalist injured and would not play anyway)
nole won W21
nole won W22
guess who would be a big favorit at W20 if it was played?
think if W06 was canceled and W20 played?
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Boom
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Says a Djokovic fan
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Age can explain those 2 blown tiebreaks though like I’ve already said. There would have been no 40-15 situation if he’d won just one tiebreak.
Plus, Fed was 38 and had no beaten Djokovic in a slam for 7 years, so I understand him getting tight. Nobody else from my memory has dealt with something like that.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Fedal fans should feel lucky Djokovic was robbed of legit 2 to 3 more slams lead lol
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I know you want to believe that 2015-2016 was some golden era, but it wasn’t. You can praise Djokovic’s accomplishments without making stuff up.
Fed never lost a slam to Murray and Stan and I’m willing to bet his H2H vs his main rivals would look different if he was the one 6 years younger than Djokovic.
FlyingSaucer
Professional
No, it's not asterisked. Saying "of course" doesn't change that fact.
Didn't Djo make the final in 2023 and 2024? Wasn't he the "big favourit" in 2023?
mike danny
Bionic Poster
He only won because he got Phillippoussis in the final. Next Gen would’ve all been the next Federer with such luck.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Lmao there was alcaraz in 2023 and Djokovic barely lost. Even if Djokovic didn't win 2020 he would add more finals and more matches wins. And he would win 2020. He was unbeatable until rg finals.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Back to back Berrettini and Kyrgios opens did not suffice apparently
GoatNo1
Hall of Fame
it has nothing with W20 to do. he would be the biggest favorit by very big margin and that is why it is big asterisk
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Exactly lmao
duaneeo
Legend
This is a silly phrase made up by a few posters. There was nothing "golden" about the abnormal 2010s.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Age alone cannot explain it, he messed up three tie breaks against a player who has been a mental block for him in slams post 2012. He was clinical against Nadal in their tie break. There is an element of choking here, you cannot make the same mistake three times and also get all tentative when you had two CP points. That cannot be just age.
FlyingSaucer
Professional
So what you're telling me is that Djo winning the first set 6-1 didn't give you any confidence at all that he would win the match?
Barely losing is suddenly noteworthy, eh?
GoatNo1
Hall of Fame
| 24-05-2015 | Roland Garros | Clay | QF |
| 6-4 6-3 7-6(4) |
| 14-01-2013 | Australian Open | Hard | SF |
| 6-4 6-7(5) 6-3 6-7(2) 6-2 |
FlyingSaucer
Professional
Um, yes, it does. He lost those finals and has not equalled the record so you're hyperfocused on this tournament not held as a deflection from the fact that he has had opportunities to equal the record anyway and has not done so. As I said, why so little faith? He will have another opportunity this year and probably next year.
GoatNo1
Hall of Fame
that he played a final a couple of weeks after surgery does not eliminate fact that he was very big favorite to win W20 it is very simple
FlyingSaucer
Professional
He was a big favourite in 2023, no?
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Yes. It is. We are not getting fooled. You seem to think we noble fans are like rafans who only care about title. But basically even in finals Djokovic has fed beat.
GoatNo1
Hall of Fame
not as big as 2020 and it does has nothing with W20 to do.
fed had chance to win at EVERY W he could play! Nole did not have a same chanse. he could not play a tournament there he was by far biggest favorit. he had not same chance as fed so feds record is asterisked!
RS
Bionic Poster
AO 13 SF enters the chat.
24-05-2015 Roland Garros Clay QF 6-4 6-3 7-6(4)
14-01-2013 Australian Open Hard SF 6-4 6-7(5) 6-3 6-7(2) 6-2
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Why not? Rafa lost 3 tiebreaks to Thiem at AO 2020.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Yeah, post prime Fed. Post prime Djoko lost to Thiem and Medvedev.
24-05-2015 Roland Garros Clay QF 6-4 6-3 7-6(4)
14-01-2013 Australian Open Hard SF 6-4 6-7(5) 6-3 6-7(2) 6-2
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Thiem is younger than Nadal, so you are basically confirming what I am saying, that it cannot be attributed to age alone.
Nadal won two slams that year, Federer had lost to him the last time they played at Wimbledon, yet he did what he was capable of doing in that tie break.
It seems to me that there is a theme among Federer fans to try to downplay what happened at W 2019 as much as possible. I know Federer wasn't at his peak, you won't hear me say he was, but to say he lost a match which was the longest final in W history going 13-12 in fifth because of his age alone is shying away from facing the truth....and the truth is, a big part of why he lost was because he blinked when it mattered most.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Yes it can be attributed to age since I don’t think prime Nadal loses 3 tiebreaks
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Your notion that the only explanation is that it is age for me is simply damage control. I get it, it was a painful loss, but I cannot accept that Federer only lost that match to Djokovic because his age mattered so much at the most key moments, when he was close to hitting 100 winners overall that match. He lost because he got tight, and allowed his mental block to hinder his conviction. Him getting passed by Djokovic was a more hit it and hope, it lacked the venom or pace or angle he was producing for nearly 6 hours.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Like I said, you get tighter with age. Knowing your opponent is better physically than you are will have an effect mentally.
Again, it happened to Nadal too who had no mental block vs Thiem
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