fed was no2 so it does not count (if he lose)? only results when fed was no1 counts?
That was BO3. Fed destroyed Djokovic at YEC too.
It’s not about ranking here.
2019 YEC Fed won easily.
nole won 3 times at WTF + 1 WO all in FINALS and fed won 3 times but never in finals. 2015 fed won in RR (as he did 2019) but nole won in the F so RR lost meant nothing!
Yes, he has had the same chances. There was no time in which the tournament was held but he was excluded for whatever reason. He has had opportunities to win an 8th title, as did Federer.
I don’t think I ever disagreed with Fed choking. But he choked way before 40-15. And considering his general supremacy in tiebreaks even against Djokovic, age does play a factor. We can’t completely dismiss it. He was 8-4 in slam tiebreaks before that for a reason.
Noted.
Okay, and? That would have been the case if Fed had won in 2019 also. He would still be ahead in titles, as he is now.
Yes and Fed lost just like Djokovic in 2023. You have losses in finals we have them as well.
I'd take it much, much further. Djokovic, as a result of being a different generation, has benefitted from the Bannister Effect for basically his entire career, even when it comes to career longevity / expectation. It's far easier to chase than lead from the front. Throw in the added psychological impact of being the older athlete with nothing left to prove, and not even convinced of your ability to compete - most of Federer's contemporaries (and the generation prior to him) were on the wane by 29/30 - Sampras, for example, was the same age at Wimbledon 2001 as Federer was during Djokovic's 2011 season - and you have a perfect storm of factors, especially in slams when your legacy is on the line and you're fatigued against a younger man.
Yes, Djokovic lost in 2023. That is why he doesn't have eight titles. WB 2020 is irrelevant.
WRONG
Federer won eight titles despite his previous losses in finals. Djokovic had a great chance in 2023, did he not? 6-1 first set, a TB in the 2nd... again, WB 2020 is not relevant.
Yes Fed won 8 despite his losses and djokovic won 7 despite his losses plus he was unfairly not allowed to rack up another slam title in 2020.
Unfairly not allowed? The tournament was not held. He was not singularly excluded.
So what
So what? He has had opportunities since then anyway.
No he didn't. He only had 5 then. Since then he went 2-2.
He didn't had Uncle Toni Federer
He's not had opportunities to win Wimbledon since 2020?
He had and he won 2 times.He's not had opportunities to win Wimbledon since 2020?
So he has had opportunities to win Wimbledon since 2020. Good. I thought so.
Yes now it feels like he has lost the chance but in 2023/24 I did not. In any case, if he fails to win another, he is second best player just a notch behind Fed at wimbledon but he has far too many records in his name. 8 is not safe at all anyway, 3 guys won 7+
Djokovic's victory over Federer in 2013 was not in the final.
I favor Nole over Fed as a Person but as a player I want to see more players like Fed, Fonseca, Raz and less trolling hacking Pongsters.
it is 2 wins in finals + WO win in the final! 2019 fed did not win tournament and 2013 nole did, so what victories counts more?
A walkover does not count in the head-to-head so it's not relevant because they did not "meet".
fed himself stood in the way on the 4 noles titles. nole himself stood on the way to only 1 feds title! that is fact! fed chicken out once but it does not change anything but their official h2h. he played DC finals in best of 5 format just a few days after. 2013 nole would maybe win even if he lost in the F but other 3 times was in the finals fed had the chance to stop him.
Djokovic did not play one ball. It does not count in the head-to-head. It's irrelevant. He won two titles beating Fed in the final. Not three, and not four, as you dishonestly argued in your original post.
I said the 2019 victory counts because he knocked Djokovic out of the tournament (and would've went home himself had he not won). That's not the same as arguing it's a big deal. If you want to bring up RG 11, a lot of Djo fans have argued that Nadal escaped certain defeat as a result of Fed winning the SF so sounds like a big deal to me. And as for this:
It's a complete lie, and you know it. Not too surprising from you, though.
it is big deal maybe for nole but not for fed. nole was stop but fed did not benefit from stopping nole. at the end nole accumulate more titles both at slams and WTF anyway. so it was not big deal for fed at all but his fans are glad to make it like it is.
It's a good win. Fed did not benefit in an immediate sense, but could make a case for a later benefit.
everything matter. just something matter more than other. wins in slams or WTF finals matter more than wins in RR especially if you loose to same player in the final. noles 5 wins in 2015 was wort 2900 points. fed 3 wins was wort 800 points. his wins in 2019 was wort 200p and he did not capitalise from it. fed has lost much more to nole generation (nole, rafa, muzza) than nole to feds.
Yes, we agree on that.
You are just repeating yourself here.
Yes, for a number of reasons. What does this have to do with 2015?
nothing, it was you that started to compare (from nowhere) feds and noles generations and h2h vs them.
LOLLLL. This started with your lying about the WTF finals. You pivoted to RG 11 SF, 2015, 2006 and Nadal... need I go on?
We could avoid all this worthless back and forth if you could bring yourself to write posts without lying.
Yes, seeing the courts go from Federer's very slow to Nole's bit more slow was a drastic, and very noticeable change.
agreed. can the mods please delete this thread?
Roger was scared of Nole. This is a pattern of his when dealing with peers. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a 40-15 during an exho on the retired Tour.
