0-2 in Wimbledon finals

[mike danny]

Not any player : D

Yeah, a mid 30's injured player.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Like how you used to come out of the woodwork when Rafa loses.. right ?

 

[Unseeded Player]

He had a better FH in his prime than every single one of those players too. Even Rublev whose FH is very overrated.

21-3... He was weak competition to Fed, nothing changes that

 

[GabeT]

Not even close. If you actually believe that, then I can't help you.

21-3. If Novak faced in a final someone he had a 21-3 record against you’d be calling him a mug and a pushover

 

[Unseeded Player]

But not in 2017 when he became no.3.

So? Blake never made any semi or final in career

 

[GabeT]

These current players are so good that 37 year old Djokovic after knee surgery can casually reach a slam final.

That's why I'm not buying into Roddick's PC commentary.

Roddick isn’t talking about the players Novak faced to reach the final

 

[Unseeded Player]

Yeah, a mid 30's injured player.

Mid 30's injured g.o.a.t

 

[Steve0904]

21-3... He was weak competition to Fed, nothing changes that

Everyone was weak compared to Fed because Fed is the awesomest player to ever exist obviously. PeRFect serve, peRFect FH, peRFect everything. Simply the best.

 

[mike danny]

Roddick isn’t talking about the players Novak faced to reach the final

Oh you mean the weakest gens ever who have won 2 slams between them and that's it?

 

[mike danny]

So? Blake never made any semi or final in career

But you only spoke about Blake in 2006.

Everyone agrees 2006 was on the weak side, but that's just one year, not an entire era.

 

[GabeT]

Oh you mean the weakest gens ever who have won 2 slams between them and that's it?

You can ask Roddick for the specifics. He never said that every player today is better than he was. That was never his point. But he does think that players like Med are better

 

[Unseeded Player]

But you only spoke about Blake in 2006.

Everyone agrees 2006 was on the weak side, but that's just one year, not an entire era.

Which proves the point there was no serious competiton outside clay. As soon Nadal entered prime he made Fed his slam pigeon.

 

[Mustard]

The point is that Roddick was to Fed almost what Monfils was to Novak

Monfils has never beaten Djokovic.

Roddick has beaten Federer 3 times in official matches, most famously in 2003 Montreal when Roddick won the Canadian Open-Cincinnati-US Open triple in 2003.

 

[Lleytonstation]

You can ask Roddick for the specifics. He never said that every player today is better than he was. That was never his point. But he does think that players like Med are better

I do also think technology and courts play a big role in that though.

 

[Kralingen]

I think this Alcaraz beats every Djokovic post 2018 pretty comfortably

 

[GabeT]

Monfils has never beaten Djokovic.

Roddick has beaten Federer 3 times in official matches, most famously in 2003 Montreal when Roddick won the Canadian Open-Cincinnati-US Open triple in 2003.

I get that. But if Novak had just won a slam against a player with a 21-3 h2h the forum would be full of “weak era” and “mug” comments

 

[Mustard]

Which proves the point there was no serious competiton outside clay. As soon Nadal entered prime he made Fed his slam pigeon.

Nadal had the style back then to be an uniquely bad matchup for Federer, with the high intensity, the left-handedness and heavy topspin forehands high to Federer's backhand.

 

[mike danny]

Which proves the point there was no serious competiton outside clay. As soon Nadal entered prime he made Fed his slam pigeon.

Just like Djokovic started amassing most of his numbers after 2013 when Nadal declined and Fed got old. And had many more easy years than Fed overall.

Again, 2006 was just 1 year, not an era.

 

[GabeT]

I think this Alcaraz beats every Djokovic post 2018 pretty comfortably

What’s the need for this? no one has any clue. Today’s win was great for Carlos but Novak is 37 and just came out of a medical procedure. Prior versions of Novak would be much greater challenges

 

[duaneeo]

No matter how many excuses you come up with there’s no going around 24>20

No one has more Wimbledon titles, no one has more USO titles, and only one player has more AO titles than Federer.

And that's all in spite of not having the benefit of two lost generations of NextGens...players who were only able to win a combined two whole slams.

 

[GabeT]

Just like Djokovic started amassing most of his numbers after 2013 when Nadal declined and Fed got old. And had many more easy years than Fed overall.

Novak started winning slams in 2008 and had his breakout year in 2011 when Nadal was 24/25

 

[Unseeded Player]

Nadal had the style back then to be an uniquely bad matchup for Federer, with the high intensity, the left-handedness and heavy topspin forehands high to Federer's backhand.

Nadal made Fed his slam pigeon : D

 

[Unseeded Player]

Just like Djokovic started amassing most of his numbers after 2013 when Nadal declined and Fed got old. And had many more easy years than Fed overall.

Again, 2006 was just 1 year, not an era.

Nadal is only 1 year older, what happened in 2011? : D

 

[mike danny]

Novak started winning slams in 2008 and had his breakout year in 2011 when Nadal was 24/25

Yes, but 18/24 slams have been won after that. And he regressed in 2012-2014.

 

[GabeT]

No one has more Wimbledon titles, no one has more USO titles, and only one player has more AO titles than Federer.

And that's all in spite of not having the benefit of two lost generations of NextGens...players who were only able to win a combined two whole slams.

And that’s great. That’s why Fed is one of the Big 3.

But most of those titles were won against players like Phillppousis, Roddick, Soderling, Cilic and others like them

 

[Mustard]

Nadal is only 1 year older, what happened in 2011? : D

Nobody saw 2011 Djokovic coming. Nobody. Before 2011, there were a lot of debates about whether Djokovic would win a second major title.

 

[mike danny]

Nadal is only 1 year older, what happened in 2011? : D

What happened in the years following 2011?

 

[Unseeded Player]

Nobody saw 2011 Djokovic coming. Nobody. Before 2011, there were a lot of debates about whether Djokovic would win a second major title.

LOL, so much about experts : D

 

[GabeT]

Yes, but 18/24 slams have been won after that. And he regressed in 2012-2014.

They all had slightly different paths but comparing by age by the year each turned 28 they were only 4 slams apart (which for the Big 3 is close to nothing) and by 32 they were all tied. By 34 Nadal and Djokovic were both 3 slams ahead of Fed

 

[Unseeded Player]

What happened in the years following 2011?

What? Nadal made last win against Novak on hard in 2013! Last set actualy. Last win on grass against Novak in 2007.

 

[mike danny]

They all had slightly different paths but comparing by age by the year each turned 28 they were only 4 slams apart (which for the Big 3 is close to nothing) and by 32 they were all tied. By 34 Nadal and Djokovic were both 3 slams ahead of Fed

And at 27 Fed had 13 slams, Nadal also 13 and Djokovic 7.

 

[GabeT]

What happened in the years following 2011?

How much more do you want Novak to win? He’s already at 24 slams. Are you saying he should be at 30 slams?

 

[mike danny]

What? Nadal made last win against Novak on hard in 2013! Last set actualy. Last win on grass against Novak in 2007.

Are we gonna ignore that he only won 1 slam per year in 2012-2014 while losing matches he should not have lost?

Fed also started owning Nadal after 2013, so not saying much.

 

[GabeT]

And at 27 Fed had 13 slams, Nadal also 13 and Djokovic 7.

That’s; basically two 3 slam season for Novak. Which is why a few years later he was tied

 

[mike danny]

How much more do you want Novak to win? He’s already at 24 slams. Are you saying he should be at 30 slams?

I am just asking why did it take so long for him to start comprehensively dominating if he was always too good. He achieved only his 2nd multi-slam year at 28.

 

[CHillTennis]

Hey if Djokovic can boast a 3-0 finals record at Wimby vs Old erer, then how does it explain Baby Alcaraz being 2-0 vs prime Djokovic who has just reached 6 Wimbledon finals in a row.

Shoe, other foot.

Very simple. It's no longer prime Djokovic.

Sorry to tell you mate.

Please tell Andy Roddick that I said "Hi."

 

[GabeT]

I am just asking why did it take so long for him to start comprehensively dominating if he was always too good. He achieved only his 2nd multi-slam year at 28.

He dominated in 2011. After that he was at the top but not dominating for a couple of years. Then he dominated again, maybe the greatest dominance we have ever seen. Not sure how much more can be expected of a player

 

[Unseeded Player]

Are we gonna ignore that he only won 1 slam per year in 2012-2014 while losing matches he should not have lost?

Fed also started owning Nadal after 2013, so not saying much.

How many Fed won in 2012-2016 period?

LOL, he made wins by evading clay season and still has 8 wins less

 

[mike danny]

They all had slightly different paths but comparing by age by the year each turned 28 they were only 4 slams apart (which for the Big 3 is close to nothing) and by 32 they were all tied. By 34 Nadal and Djokovic were both 3 slams ahead of Fed

 

[mike danny]

He dominated in 2011. After that he was at the top but not dominating for a couple of years. Then he dominated again, maybe the greatest dominance we have ever seen. Not sure how much more can be expected of a player

Fed dominated for 4 straight years. Novak needed to wait 3 years to dominate again.

 

[mike danny]

How many Fed won in 2012-2016 period?

Are you seriously asking why didn't 31-35 year old Fed win as much as a 25-29 year old Djoko?

LOL, he made wins by evading clay season and still has 8 wins less

And Djokovic made wins by playing the worst ever versions of Nadal.

 

[Lleytonstation]

He dominated in 2011. After that he was at the top but not dominating for a couple of years. Then he dominated again, maybe the greatest dominance we have ever seen. Not sure how much more can be expected of a player

Fed has the record for most dominance ever in a span of multiple years I would think.

 

[GabeT]

Fed dominated for 4 straight years. Novak needed to wait 3 years to dominate again.

Fed accomplished a lot but there’s no reason to expect that Novak’s career would have to follow the same path

 

[Unseeded Player]

Are you seriously asking why didn't 31-35 year old Fed win as much as a 25-29 year old Djoko?

And Djokovic made wins by playing the worst ever versions of Nadal.

Yes.

LOL, don't be jelauos cause your guy is only positive against Nadal at WB : D

 

[GabeT]

Fed has the record for most dominance ever in a span of multiple years I would think.

Yes, but I’m not arguing against that. Not sure why we are even debating that.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Hey if Djokovic can boast a 3-0 finals record at Wimby vs Old erer, then how does it explain Baby Alcaraz being 2-0 vs prime Djokovic who has just reached 6 Wimbledon finals in a row.

Shoe, other foot.

Slay bestie

 

[mike danny]

Fed accomplished a lot but there’s no reason to expect that Novak’s career would have to follow the same path

Fair enough, I guess.

 

[duaneeo]

But most of those titles were won against players like Phillppousis, Roddick, Soderling, Cilic and others like them

Roddick/Cilic combined won as many slams as Nishikori/Dimitrov/Raonic/Thiem/Medvedev/Zverev/Berrettini/Tsitsipas/Ruud/Kyrgios combined (and throw in any other 90s-born mug who I missed).

 

[mike danny]

Yes.

LOL, don't be jelauos cause your guy is only positive against Nadal at WB : D

I'm not jealous. Just pointing out the fact that Federer also got the better of Nadal after 2013, not just Djokovic

 

[Lleytonstation]

Yes, but I’m not arguing against that. Not sure why we are even debating that.

Just like to have lil Fed wins when I can. Makes me feel young again. Back when the > symbol was fun.