07 Fed should have won Roland Garros

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Roland Garros 2005 (167 minutes)

Federer Nadal

Sevice Statistics
Aces 3 2
Double Faults 5 4
1st Serve Percentage 62% (74/119) 73% (88/120)
1st Serve Points Won 63% (47/74) 61% (54/88)
2nd Serve Points Won 37% (17/45) 50% (16/32)
Break Points Saved 30% (4/13) 50% (6/12)
Service Games Played 19 19

Statistics on Return
1st Return Points Won 38% (34/88) 36% (27/74)
2nd Return Points Won 50% (16/32) 62% (28/45)
Break Points Won 50% (6/12) 69% (9/13)
Return Games Played 19 19

Statistics on Points
Total Service Pnts Won 53% (64/119) 58% (70/120)
Total Return Points Won 41% (50/120) 46% (55/119)
Total Points Won 47% (114/239) 52% (125/239)


Roland Garros 2006 (182 minutes)

Federer Nadal

Sevice Statistics
Aces 8 3
Double Faults 1 0
1st Serve Percentage 60% (72/119) 76% (85/111)
1st Serve Points Won 68% (49/72) 69% (59/85)
2nd Serve Points Won 53% (25/47) 65% (17/26)
Break Points Saved 66% (8/12) 70% (7/10)
Service Games Played 18 18

Statistics on Return
1st Return Points Won 30% (26/85) 31% (23/72)
2nd Return Points Won 34% (9/26) 46% (22/47)
Break Points Won 30% (3/10) 33% (4/12)
Return Games Played 18 18

Statistics on Points
Total Service Points Won 62% (74/119) 68% (76/111)
Total Return Points Won 31% (35/111) 37% (45/119)
Total Points Won 47% (109/230) 52% (121/230)


Roland Garros 2007 (190 minutes)

Federer Nadal

Sevice Statistics
Aces 9 2
Double Faults 1 1
1st Serve Percentage 64% (76/118) 77% (106/137)
1st Serve Points Won 65% (50/76) 69% (74/106)
2nd Serve Points Won 54% (23/42) 54% (17/31)
Break Points Saved 60% (6/10) 94% (16/17)
Service Games Played 19 19

Statistics on Return
1st Return Points Won 30% (32/106) 34% (26/76)
2nd Return Points Won 45% (14/31) 45% (19/42)
Break Points Won 5% (1/17) 40% (4/10)
Return Games Played 19 19

Statistics on Points
Total Service Points Won 61% (73/118) 66% (91/137)
Total Return Points Won 33% (46/137) 38% (45/118)
Total Points Won 46% (119/255) 53% (136/255)


Roland Garros 2008 (108 minutes)

Federer Nadal

Sevice Statistics
Aces 2 0
Double Faults 0 0
1st Serve Percentage 68% (53/77) 74% (50/67)
1st Serve Points Won 49% (26/53) 70% (35/50)
2nd Serve Points Won 20% (5/24) 64% (11/17)
Break Points Saved 52% (9/17) 75% (3/4)
Service Games Played 11 11

Statistics on Return
1st Return Points Won 30% (15/50) 50% (27/53)
2nd Return Points Won 35% (6/17) 79% (19/24)
Break Points Won 25% (1/4) 47% (8/17)
Return Games Played 11 11

Statistics on Points
Total Service Points Won 40% (31/77) 68% (46/67)
Total Return Points Won 31% (21/67) 59% (46/77)
Total Points Won 36% (52/144) 63% (92/144)


serving 1st serve
- every year Nadal has had a superior first serve percentage in
- Federer in 05,06,07 won ~65% of first serve points
- in 08 fed only won 49% of first serve points
- Nadal in 05 only won 61% of first service points (fed in 05 won 63%)
- every year after that Nadal has won ~70% of first service points

serving second serve
- 05 fed's second serve points won % was 37- Nadal's was 50% (both were weak on their second serves)
- 06 Fed's second serve was winning 53%, Nadal was was at 65% (both really worked on their second serve)
- 07 both were winning only 54% of their second serve
- in 08 Fed only won 20%!!! of his second serves (Nadal 64%) [i think its safe to say Nadal really attacked fed's second serve)

Break points
- in 05 Fed had 12 break points, he converted 6
- 05 Nadal had 13 break points, he converted 9
(suffice to say Nadal's converting of break points was the difference, but Federer was getting his chances)

-in 06 fed had 10 break points, he won only 3
- 06 Nadal had 12 break points, he won 4
(its safe to say that both did well to protect the majority of break points, strong mentality)

-in 07 fed HAD 17 BREAK POINTS (ahem), he converted..... 1 (damnit)
- 07 Nadal 10 break points, he won 4
(simply put, Fed was really getting through Nadal's defenses in 07, but he didn't convert his chances.)

-in 08 fed had... 4 break points, he took one
Nadal in 08 had an amazing 17 break points, he took 8
(simply put, Nadal did what Fed couldn't do a year before, take his chances... Fed's defences in 08 were all over the place)
 
dude, your delusional, your trying way to hard, Fed should not have won because he was not the better player, sets:Nadal-3, Federer-1, thats the only statistic that matters
 
in 07 he had 17 break points

17 BREAK POINTS

he destroyed nadal's highly rated defenses.

i don't need to try, he should have won Roland Garros 07
 
After set 2, Fed was done. Nadal destroyed Fed in sets 3 and 4. Fed's serve made it look close. 2006 was Fed's to take since Nadal played poor for his standards.
 
As with wimbledon 08.. it doesn't matter how many break points you have. its what you do with them. we can all relate to things we almost did or could have done r should have done but what matters is the end result.
 
this is why i can't be a nadal fan. he's just kinda an ******* to tease roger like that. handing him all those breakpoints to get his hopes up then just elevating his game to ~60% of his skill on breakpoints to absolutely crush federer. not cool.
and how bout this year at wimby? he didn't s&v the entire match just to keep it close. but then at 8-7, it was getting too late and he was getting bored so he finally decided to put some effort into his game. what a jerk.
 
If "if" was a fifth we would all be drunk. The beauty of sports and especially tennis is that sometimes statistically, one player or team who wins on paper loses the scoreboard, because the other person/team wants it more and wins the big points and makes the big plays happen when needed most.
 
i watched all of nadals federer beatdowns at the FO.

In my opinion, 07 was not his best shot. He was very tired at the end, and Nadal was just cruising.

This year he wasn't into it, and in 05 Nadal surprised him.

His best shot was in 06. He took the first set 6-1 and came out blazing. He had better shotmaking, but tanked the second set, losing 6-1. I remember all Nadal would do was run for the balls and hit to Federers backhand, unlike this year, when he was aggressive. Federer had like 55 unforced errors, and over 40 came from the backhand side. Federer broke Nadal when he was serving for the match, and I thought he had the momentum. Nadal stepped it up in the tiebreak, and there you go.

He was two frickin sets from winning it, but he didn't play as hard in the 2nd set, Nadal hit 95% of his shots to the backhand, and Fed was history. If roger wants to win the FO, he must improve his backhand and cut off Nadals angles when approaching to not let him hit ridiculous passing shots
 
Those are just numbers about a match. What really matters is what they are playing on the court. I'm a Federer fan, but Nadal played better than him. Simple as that.
 
Dude, i'm just as big of Fed fan as the next guy, but seriously, by these standard, Nadal should've won Wimbledon last year. And Roddick should've taken Wimby in years past. Just stop!
 
AznRamenDude said:
Those are just numbers about a match. What really matters is what they are playing on the court. I'm a Federer fan, but Nadal played better than him. Simple as that.
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yes you are a real fed fan as opposed to a *******. A real fed fan can tip his hat to his opponent instead of Coming up with *******ed threads like this one.
 
TacoBellBorderBowl1946 said:
i watched all of nadals federer beatdowns at the FO.

In my opinion, 07 was not his best shot. He was very tired at the end, and Nadal was just cruising.

This year he wasn't into it, and in 05 Nadal surprised him.

His best shot was in 06. He took the first set 6-1 and came out blazing. He had better shotmaking, but tanked the second set, losing 6-1. I remember all Nadal would do was run for the balls and hit to Federers backhand, unlike this year, when he was aggressive. Federer had like 55 unforced errors, and over 40 came from the backhand side. Federer broke Nadal when he was serving for the match, and I thought he had the momentum. Nadal stepped it up in the tiebreak, and there you go.

He was two frickin sets from winning it, but he didn't play as hard in the 2nd set, Nadal hit 95% of his shots to the backhand, and Fed was history. If roger wants to win the FO, he must improve his backhand and cut off Nadals angles when approaching to not let him hit ridiculous passing shots
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Agreed. Nadal was worn out physically from the 4hour 50 minute match with Mathieu which led to another exhausting match with Hewitt. Nadal played his worst match against Fed in that FO and still won. The heat and dry air did allow for Nadal's balls to kick up higher which forced more errors out of Fed but Nadal's shots were not that penetrating. He won playing a very defensive game with little pace.
 
Federer could not keep it up, his not the first to break through and take a set but could not sustain it. Nadal is just better on clay as Federer is better on grass. I'm sure Federer will win French Open when Rafa is not there, the people that said Rafa will win Wimbeldon before Fed wins the French were SPOT ON.
 
janipyt05 said:
Federer could not keep it up, his not the first to break through and take a set but could not sustain it. Nadal is just better on clay as Federer is better on grass. I'm sure Federer will win French Open when Rafa is not there, the people that said Rafa will win Wimbeldon before Fed wins the French were SPOT ON.
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Fed was better than Nadal on grass. Times have changed now. I'm very confident Nadal will beat Fed again next year on grass if they make the finals.
 
Pointless thread, and a waste of time collecting all those numbers.
I wish it was otherwise, but he didn't beat him and probably never will and that's about it.
 
Nadal_Freak said:
Fed was better than Nadal on grass. Times have changed now. I'm very confident Nadal will beat Fed again next year on grass if they make the finals.
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Times are truly changing, i wouldn't like to prodict what will happen next year when it is still so far away. Nadal is a serious threat to Federer and a lot more players are confident they can beat Federer, the barage of players beating him are coming thick and fast and it must be hard to work out lack confidence when such is happening. It is however the name of the game maybe other players felt insulted when Federer said "i created this monster" and they begun to peg him down from his oh so high horse. :?
 
I disagree. 06 was his best shot. He destroyed Nadal in the first set but just somehow had a concentration lapse and then it was kinda over.
 
LOL at the OP, keep up your delusional theories. It´s been said many times that most of those break points wasted happened in the 1st set with multiple break points in a couple of games.
16 break points wasted don´t mean that you could break serve in 16 different games.
Nadal won 136 pts, Federer won 119 pts.
Nadal won 6-3 4-6 6-3 6-4. What does it tell you? That Nadal was the better player.
Nadal in Wimbledon 2007 and Djokovic in the USO final (set points in the first 2 sets) had great chances to win, you could start separate threads.
 
KerryJ said:
Despite myself always nodding my head and agreeing with your posts, I'm not. If those are the only statistics that matter, why do other statistics exist?
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We have them because they usually, not always, but usually indicate who played better, how the match went, etc, but you could have 500 breakpoints and if you didnt convert one then you still dont deserve to win, so in terms of out result the only statistic that matters is sets won
 
I haven't even bothered to look at the statistics but this really proves how misleading statistics are. Anyone who watched that match (which unfortunately I did!) will know just how badly Federer played, he played considerably worse in that match than he did in the 2006 final. Despite the break point opportunities in the 1st set Federer didn't seem to have much confidence. And because Nadal was working Federer's backhand so well, Federer was feeling forced to run around the backhand and hit forehands and made some shocking errors on the forehand side throughout the match. The only time Federer looked good was in the 2nd set when he was using the slice well and won the set, only inexplicably to go back to topspin backhands in the 3rd set and that was it. And for those who will start waxing lyrical about Nadal's high bounce, what Federer did well in the 2nd set was the American slice, high to low, bringing the ball from high and slicing it low, a great tactic which Federer hardly ever uses. It wasn't a good day for Federer

This is one match I never want to see again.

And should Nadal make the French Open final next year, I hope it's another opponent across the net.
 
Why don't you take your statistics to the International Arbitration Council and ask for the results to be reversed? Perhaps, you could analyse all the other matches that Federer won, and see if he should have won them, you never know, he might not have been #1 after all.
 
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