kevaninho
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Everything Nadal has ever achieved , has been because of pure luck.
#1 is going to be EXTREMELY wide open...
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Everything Nadal has ever achieved , has been because of pure luck.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Stephanos loses a golden chance to get 400 points closer to Rafael.
Raf has all but locked up the YE #1.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
It better be
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Vamos Rafa Nadal
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Accept that there are other tournaments after the USO!
James P
G.O.A.T.
This OP is SPECIFICALLY about who will be #1 directly after the US Open.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Rafa and Petros will share 6 Year End number 1, 2 Australian Open titles and the only thing missing is for Nadal to equal his 5 US Open trophies and that would be 'Ombelievable'!
Alcaraz or Pas winning the USO is basically the only way he would have a chance not to get it. As long as Rafa doesn’t lose in the 3rd round or something he’d have to skip the entire fall season to lose it basically.
Fiero425
Legend
But the thing is Rafa pretty much becomes a spectator after the USO; if he actually gets there! It's as if he thinks his season is done and complete after winning the FO; hence only 2 Wimbledons (last being 2010)! Wow; how does the GOAT go so long between Wmbledons and AO Chps.? W/O the FO, Nadal would be an also ran like McEnroe, Lendl, & Connors! Federer and Djokovic had a much more balanced record which is why I respect them being the true GOAT's, not Fedal!
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
You are aware that even if he does finish the year at #1 he still won't have the record in that department, right?
Last I checked USO is after FO and last I checked Nadal has more USOs than the so-called "HC GOAT" LOL. At this point with DCGS the distribution agenda of ********* is a complete and utter joke. Djoko leads Nadal at 2 slams and Nadal leads Djoko at 2 slams.But the thing is Rafa pretty much becomes a spectator after the USO; if he actually gets there! It's as if he thinks his season is done and complete after winning the FO; hence only 2 Wimbledons (last being 2010)! Wow; how does the GOAT go so long between Wmbledons and AO Chps.? W/O the FO, Nadal would be an also ran like McEnroe, Lendl, & Connors! Federer and Djokovic had a much more balanced record which is why I respect them being the true GOAT's, not Fedal!
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Vamos Rafa Nadal
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Oh o.k.!
I just looked at the adjusted ATP rankings after today's final and it shows Medvedev at #1, Nadal at #2, Alcaraz at #3, Tsitsipas at #4 (thank you Borna Coric!), Djokovic at #5, Zverev at #6, Ruud at #7, Norrie at #8, Auger-Aliassime at #9, and Hurkacz at #10. (Rublev out of the top 10 for the first time in ages....)
Fiero425
Legend
Poor thing! I'd rather have domination at events I lead! Djokovic has 7 Wimbledons to Nadal's 2! AO Djokovic's 9 > Nadal's 2! Nadal's claim to clay fame is his unimaginable lead he has in Paris with 14 FO's compared to Djokovic's 2! USO is negligable 4 to 3! Wow, such a disparity! (huge eyeroll)
Fiero425
Legend
The thing is Medvedev will lose 2000 points soon and will drop below Nadal making him the #1 seed if Sascha doesn't play without lifting a racket!
LOL now we talk about negligible??? You said Nadal does nothing after FO and I proved you wrong.Poor thing! I'd rather have domination at events I lead! Djokovic has 7 Wimbledons to Nadal's 2! AO Djokovic's 9 > Nadal's 2! Nadal's claim to clay fame is his unimaginable lead he has in Paris with 14 FO's compared to Djokovic's 2! USO is negligable 4 to 3! Wow, such a disparity! (huge eyeroll)
Fiero425
Legend
Well I probably shouldn't say NOTHING, but you tell me! Rafa has NO Paris Masters or a YEC! What does that say after so many yrs on the tour? Says almost "NOTHING!"
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
You are aware that even if he does finish the year at #1 he still won't have the record in that department, right?
U think I care? Lol
He just completely deserves it this year
Fiero425
Legend
Well IDK about deserves it! He got a free pass back in Feb. without Djokovic to step over to finally complete after all these years his Double Career GS! Wow, from 2009 AO to 2022 AO! That's a very long time! Novak did his in 5 years; from 2016 FO to his 2nd CGS at 2021 FO! DJokovic will eventally own all the records!
You know that it took Novak 12 years to win his first RG lol. Thats a very long time. Nadal winning AO 14 years apart shows his longevity. Grasping at straws and coping ROFLMAOWell IDK about deserves it! He got a free pass back in Feb. without Djokovic to step over to finally complete after all these years his Double Career GS! Wow, from 2009 AO to 2022 AO! That's a very long time! Novak did his in 5 years; from 2016 FO to his 2nd CGS at 2021 FO!
Fiero425
Legend
Just not a Nadal fan; never was! I have to humble him to make myself feel better! Lucky I can go "below the belt" with weeks @ #1 and YE #1 record! He's so far behind Roger and Novak he'll never catch them! Only in his dreams because he couldn't stay on the court but for a few months a season!
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Nadal will surpass Roger this year in YE number 1 record hopefully but weeks @1 will be a holeJust not a Nadal fan; never was! I have to humble him to make myself feel better! Lucky I can go below the belt with weeks @ #1 and YE #1 record! He's so far behind Roger and Novak he'll never catch them! Only in his dreams because he couldn't stay on the court but for a few months a season!
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Coric is a lifesaver, he may even help Nadal at the US Open too, we'll see
Even the rustiest version of Nadal almost beat Coric in straight sets, so I don't mind Coric and Nadal meeting at the US Open, whereas many other players will not want to play Coric.
Even the rustiest version of Nadal almost beat Coric in straight sets, so I don't mind Coric and Nadal meeting at the US Open, whereas many other players will not want to play Coric.
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
I feel like Nadal is a lock to finish YE#1 as he is a better player than everyone else currently without Djokovic in his way. If Djokovic can’t play many Slams due to his vaccination status, it is possible that he may get close to 275-300 weeks at #1 as I can see him playing dominantly in Slams for another couple of years with huge point stashes in the clay season. Only injuries can stand in his way if Djokovic can’t.
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Also Nadal can gain a lot of weeks at #1 next year because he can gain huge points in the clay season, after only winning Roland Garros this year..... so if he can start next year healthy, he's got a great chance of racking up the points on clay
All if he stays healthy.
All if he stays healthy.
Also Nadal can gain a lot of weeks at #1 next year because he can gain huge points in the clay season, after only winning Roland Garros this year..... so if he can start next year healthy, he's got a great chance of racking up the points on clay
All if he stays healthy.
If he skips the tournaments post USO, it would be very difficult to be YE#1. His body holding it together post slams in a season is questionable.
Tsitsipas, Alcaraz, Medvedev will play all the season. There are 3500 more points for grabs in the *** end of the season. It's not gonna be so easy to be YE#1 with a lead of 1000 points post USO also if he doesn't play rest of the season.
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Nadal will get huge points at the Indoor ATP Finals, he's got an excellent record on hardcourt vs. all of these guys in the Top 8 except for Djokovic
And Nadal is well known for prioritizing the year-end-#1 when its within reach, so he'll do whatever it takes..... and in 2017 he even played the Indoor ATP Finals while limping through a Goffin marathon....
And the problem for Tsitsipas, Alcaraz and Medvedev, is that they'll hurt each other by sharing the points..... and they'll need 2 of those players to disappear so the one player can take all the points.
Post USO Nadal's nemesis is playing it all too. No amount of self boasting helps in that part of the season.Nadal will get huge points at the Indoor ATP Finals, he's got an excellent record on hardcourt vs. all of these guys in the Top 8 except for Djokovic
And Nadal is well known for prioritizing the year-end-#1 when its within reach, so he'll do whatever it takes..... and in 2017 he even played the Indoor ATP Finals while limping through a Goffin marathon....
And the problem for Tsitsipas, Alcaraz and Medvedev, is that they'll hurt each other by sharing the points..... and they'll need 2 of those players to disappear so the one player can take all the points.
Infact if Nadal doesn't win USO, he isn't becoming YE#1.
TearTheRoofOff
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Consider this post not liked.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
You should already know that Bull does not like closed places like indoor tournaments; therefore, he feels freer when goring his opponents, indiscriminately, outdoors.Well I probably shouldn't say NOTHING, but you tell me! Rafa has NO Paris Masters or a YEC! What does that say after so many yrs on the tour? Says almost "NOTHING!"
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Now that would be a sweet, sweet sight come the end of the season:
YE # 1:
Nadal 6 - 5 Federer
Vamos Rafa
YE # 1:
Nadal 6 - 5 Federer
Vamos Rafa
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
And if Nadal arrives as No. 1 at the ATP 500 in Barcelona, he will become the oldest tennis player in that position in the Open Era, surpassing the record set by Federer in 2018.
The last time the Swiss was number 1 in the world, he was 36 years, 10 months and 15 days old.
The Spanish player would be slightly older than his old pal to achieve it.
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
the rankings have been asterisked since March 2020
Underdog
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You see, Djokovic’s resumé is not at all “much more balanced” surface wise, which it seems to be believed by some people.But the thing is Rafa pretty much becomes a spectator after the USO; if he actually gets there! It's as if he thinks his season is done and complete after winning the FO; hence only 2 Wimbledons (last being 2010)! Wow; how does the GOAT go so long between Wmbledons and AO Chps.? W/O the FO, Nadal would be an also ran like McEnroe, Lendl, & Connors! Federer and Djokovic had a much more balanced record which is why I respect them being the true GOAT's, not Fedal!
From fav to worst surface the Nad/Nole comparison is 14/12, 6/7, 2/2. Pretty tight if you ask me. Djokovic too would be doomed without his fav GS titles and I’m not even removing all HC. Fed is more balanced towards fast courts in 11 and 8, but only 1 clay title is not very balanced. People get carried away sometimes.
Not to mention HC plays twice as much as clay and grass.
Just because Nadal absolutely owns RG it doesn’t mean it should be discredited.
Underdog
Professional
Sure, if Nadal manages deep runs from now to the next clay season, keeps his level and fitness up for the clay and actually manages to avoid post RG injuries I can see him going strong at keeping the top ranking
Underdog
Professional
He’ll probably contend for 2500 of such points consistently until retirement
Not once has he reached finals of a Paris masters in his career. That's like losing 750 points out of potential 1000. And only twice he has reached finals of ATP finals that too about 9 years back was the last time he reached finals of ATP finals, that's about 1K points lost out of a potential 1.5K in finals.
1750 points out of 3500 potential points in season post USO - he hasn't ever won. So ya, while he can content for all of 3500, history says it otherwise. If he has a good lead post USO, he can still be #1 or else I don't think he can be YE#1. Mostly it would be Tsitsipas or Medvedev or Alcaraz depending on their results in USO.
TimHenmanATG
Hall of Fame
I actually want Stef to get to No. 1, just for the beauty of seeing TTW collectively losing their proverbial...
Pmasterfunk
Hall of Fame
I'm tempted to cheer for Ruud to get to #1 for the lulz
Underdog
Professional
Actually he has reached the Paris Masters final once.
Also, I never said he’s winning it all after USO. I said he’s a contender for it. He will likely play both Paris and ATPF if healthy and he’ll surely be a threat to anyone there.
James P
G.O.A.T.
I picked Nadal in that thread, still stand by it. Alcaraz missed out on chances to pile up points against Nadal. Same with Tsitsipas and Medvedev.
Entername
Professional
It's hard not to see Rafa finishing YEN1 even with some time missed. He's the favourite for the US Open and because he has no points to defend, he'll earn points just by entering events.
Medvedev has to basically go perfect the rest of the way to even have a chance and given his form this year I'm not so sure he has that in him.
Alcaraz had his chances but I think he missed it. He didn't play Rome, lost to Zverev at RG, and underperformed at the NA HC Masters, he'll also have to go nuts the rest of the year to have a chance.
Stefanos would also have to play perfect tennis the rest of the way to get it.
Djokovic is obviously out of the picture because he can't play most events due to not being vaccinated
Zverev is injured so won't be him
Ruud...it better not be him although the chances of this happening are very slim due to him not being that versatile
Medvedev has to basically go perfect the rest of the way to even have a chance and given his form this year I'm not so sure he has that in him.
Alcaraz had his chances but I think he missed it. He didn't play Rome, lost to Zverev at RG, and underperformed at the NA HC Masters, he'll also have to go nuts the rest of the year to have a chance.
Stefanos would also have to play perfect tennis the rest of the way to get it.
Djokovic is obviously out of the picture because he can't play most events due to not being vaccinated
Zverev is injured so won't be him
Ruud...it better not be him although the chances of this happening are very slim due to him not being that versatile
