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Yep, I don't expect 17 of the top 20 player withdrawing from a Slam again to give Nadal a total frisbee.^^^ emotionally devastated Rafa hater. It's okay man. Everything's gonna be okay.
Yep, I don't expect 17 of the top 20 player withdrawing from a Slam again to give Nadal a total frisbee.^^^ emotionally devastated Rafa hater. It's okay man. Everything's gonna be okay.
h2h is so irrelevant who cares. The momentum thing, that's probably a better argument.
No lifers living through success and failures of others. Sad.
I understand what you're saying but I don't have the energy to argue about draws because for me it's pointless. If Nadal wins #16, he cements himself as the second greatest in the Open Era behind Federer. That's how the history books will interpret it, commentators, analysts, etc.
Congrats to the non trolling Rafa fans. @MichaelNadal @ruerooo @Mustard @vanioMan @Gary Duane @eliars and whoever else is out there.
16th is almost a sure thing now
So happy I watched this! DelPos FH wasnt so scary after all. So maybe Feds plan was right, just that he couldnt execute it that well.hell yeah buddy! I hope we pull it off sunday but I feel great tonight!!!
I didn't make the post. Just stating facts. They were better from 2008-2017. Of course they should be because fed is 5-6 years older than nadal/djoker. on the flipside he got to play a lot of people not named nadal/djoko in his prime. And I firmly believe those three are the 3 best to ever play.True or not, you can't cherry pick periods that suit your argument. Fed turned pro in 1999, evaluating his career from 2008 is utterly biased. That's shaving off nearly a decade of his tennis career.
So you think he tanked? I thought fed would pulled a Robredo. It was weird seeing that match especially that 3rd set tiebreaker. It was fishy.
I just wish he had played fed tonight. I'm certain this Nadal would have settled the score from AO17.
Yes, I dont celebrate a tiny hint before the match is over.Nope, not falling for that after AO14 mate. Anything is possible until Nadal has sealed the deal and won the final
you're right. My point is: Rafa was in no place to win this slam a week and a half ago. If not for the slowed down court and not facing a top-20 player all tournament, I very much doubt he would be in the tournament right now.
But it is what it is
I don't think you can succesfuly compare eras but yeah, whatever the draw when you win a slam, you win a slam. You still gotta put yourself out there and stay healthy. Nadal has been playing some great HC tennis this year and this time it looks like it will be rewarded with a slam title, one one can take that away from him.
Comparing journeyman like Kiefer with the champion of Delpo's caliber. Congrats sir! You are the winner of the Wilander of the year award.Kiefer definitely played better than any of Nadal's opponents so far in 05 Wimby/USO. The 06 AO match was pretty similar to the Delpo match today.
Just real unfortunate. The decorum between Fedal fans was a lot better when they weren't on top of the sport anymore. Now, instead of enjoying the last time it will ever happen, instead of celebrating it together they're focused on pointless arguments like GOAT / easy draws / court speed / blah blah blah. I like the intelligent debate/discourse but usually it's just someone attacking someone because they don't like the same tennis player they do.![]()
We NEED 1 more win! Rafa played a tactically great match!So happy I watched this! DelPos FH wasnt so scary after all. So maybe Feds plan was right, just that he couldnt execute it that well.
He's lost something like 7 HC finals in a row since Dubai 2014! Surely the drought has to break this time.
i feel like it will always be there tbh, they have a lot of history, a lot of painful losses between (more so on fed's side imo) and it definitely dissipated when novak was dominating, but idt it ever truly left. i'll admit not fond of nadal in general will never be and fedal, rafa fans, etc brings out the petty in me, can't help it perhaps more so than novak fans and i know fed/novak fanbase as had their fare share of fighting. it would probably help to step away from the forum and re group and remember the great year the respective favorite player had. i think i'll probably be doing that post USO.
Well he's the overwhelming favourite but that's why they play the matches. As you say the drought has to end sometime (I thought it was gonna be Miami this year but that tourney seems jinxed for Nadal).
I just hope people don't crap on Anderson regardless, the guy played some inspiring tennis and deserved his breakthrough. Won't be easy facing a 15 slam winner in the final, that's for sure.
Well he's the overwhelming favourite but that's why they play the matches. As you say the drought has to end sometime (I thought it was gonna be Miami this year but that tourney seems jinxed for Nadal).
I just hope people don't crap on Anderson regardless, the guy played some inspiring tennis and deserved his breakthrough. Won't be easy facing a 15 slam winner in the final, that's for sure.
I love the rivalry and banter between fans. As long as it doesn't attack the person/poster personally, I'm really not going to be upset. Like I said, I'm even fine with attacking the players, to a degree. The trolls I'm talking about are the ones trying to be bullies, not the ones trolling in a comical sense, which is fine and a posting style I enjoy.
i understand it goes up and down in general, iirc it was bad after AO 2009 considering what happened during the presentation ceremony, probably why i personally am always on edge with certain fanbase. with that being said, unfortunately, it will only get worse on sunday.
looks like novak is needed in more ways than one.
If not for the sped up courts (or balls) at the AO, Rafa probably would've beat Fed in the final (and Fed probably wouldn't have even got there). That kind of debate/point is basically meaningless. They have to play the courts they're on, and the opponents they face, and the best players on the day win. Honestly, the fact that both Murray and Djokovic have been awol this season is probably a bigger factor than anything else in the resurgent dominance of Roger and Rafa. Similarly, the disappearance of Rafa/Fed in 15/16 helped Djokovic dominate. I say, who cares? It doesn't diminish the accomplishments of any of them. They are all time greats.you're right. My point is: Rafa was in no place to win this slam a week and a half ago. If not for the slowed down court and not facing a top-20 player all tournament, I very much doubt he would be in the tournament right now.
But it is what it is
I don't think you can succesfuly compare eras but yeah, whatever the draw when you win a slam, you win a slam. You still gotta put yourself out there and stay healthy. Nadal has been playing some great HC tennis this year and this time it looks like it will be rewarded with a slam title, one one can take that away from him.
yeah he changed gameplan completely from first to second set, and didnt go only for BH.We NEED 1 more win! Rafa played a tactically great match!
If not for the sped up courts (or balls) at the AO, Rafa probably would've beat Fed in the final (and Fed probably wouldn't have even got there). That kind of debate/point is basically meaningless. They have to play the courts they're on, and the opponents they face, and the best players on the day win. Honestly, the fact that both Murray and Djokovic have been awol this season is probably a bigger factor than anything else in the resurgent dominance of Roger and Rafa. Similarly, the disappearance of Rafa/Fed in 15/16 helped Djokovic dominate. I say, who cares? It doesn't diminish the accomplishments of any of them. They are all time greats.
If not for the sped up courts (or balls) at the AO, Rafa probably would've beat Fed in the final (and Fed probably wouldn't have even got there). That kind of debate/point is basically meaningless. They have to play the courts they're on, and the opponents they face, and the best players on the day win. Honestly, the fact that both Murray and Djokovic have been awol this season is probably a bigger factor than anything else in the resurgent dominance of Roger and Rafa. Similarly, the disappearance of Rafa/Fed in 15/16 helped Djokovic dominate. I say, who cares? It doesn't diminish the accomplishments of any of them. They are all time greats.
Great post. I think you'd have to be pretty crazy to not concede Djokovic/Murray being out is a BIG reason why Nadal/Federer have mopped things up this year. But given their hard work and perseverance time and time again, it's nice to see them being rewarded for never giving up and always putting the work in, even when the results were sub-optimal or not slam win garnering results.
@abmk - the floor is yours. I believe you 2 have been through this beforeNo point since you're comparing Fed's 2006 draw with Nadal's this year.
Do it properly:
In 2010, Nadal faced #8 Verdasco and #12 Youhzny before #3 Djokovic. Avg 7.6 ranking.
Fed faced #5 Blake, #7 Davydenko and #9 Roddick. Avg 7. So 0.6 avg ranking difference in final 3 rounds which is insignificant.
if you don't want to use avg ranking (I don't like doing it that way but some people do), I'll make the argument that Novak at #3 was playing better and by that virtue, tougher than anyone Fed faced in 2006.
I won't celebrate unless he is chewing on the trophy. Anderson has a monster serve and looked very good today.Yes, I dont celebrate a tiny hint before the match is over.
Nothing against Murray (I quite like him, both his game and personality) but he seems to be consistently grouped with Novak here when the reality is that he was never as big of an obstacle for Fedal as Novak has been ever since 2011.
Fedal resurgence has mostly to due with the absence of Novak and his scary 2015-2016 (first half atleast) form in addition to obviously both of them putting the hard work, staying in shape, adapting their game etc.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Murray can't beat them in big matches but Novak is the only one I've ever seen break the Fedal duopoly singlehandedly.
That's the thing though, sure Novak had some scary years but so did Nadal and fed and the key is keeping it up over many years which Nadal and fed do
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I'll admit I got nervous in the 3rd when he missed two chances to go up 2 breaks and was 40-15 on both of them.yeah he changed gameplan completely from first to second set, and didnt go only for BH.
Rafas FH can be goodDelPo not that quick. Rafa kept his mind calm.
One more please Rafa!
Murray cost him a million dollars by messing up the draw.
Nothing against Murray (I quite like him, both his game and personality) but he seems to be consistently grouped with Novak here when the reality is that he was never as big of an obstacle for Fedal as Novak has been ever since 2011.
Fedal resurgence has mostly to due with the absence of Novak and his scary 2015-2016 (first half atleast) form in addition to obviously both of them putting the hard work, staying in shape, adapting their game etc.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Murray can't beat them in big matches but Novak is the only one I've ever seen break the Fedal duopoly singlehandedly.
I both figured and bet on Stan winning in 4. That was no ordinary upset, if upset even appliesthat's interesting, i figured given that a lot their matches have gone distance and some slam wins over him that in 2016 stan would be given a chance against novak.
that and next gen flopping where it counts. i like murray, but every time people say they are tired of the big 4 winning all the time, i'm like but one of those imo could use a few more slams. one would think if healthy murray could win maybe another hc slam.
I 100 percent agree, I just think Murray is an added wrinkle and a much more likely threat to "spoil" a draw and beat someone. Add Wawrinka in there and you got a slam that's a lot harder to win, on paper at the very least.
@abmk - the floor is yours. I believe you 2 have been through this before
Yeah, Murray definitely deserves an AO atleast, I mean 5 finals without a title is a bit cruel.
Who knows about the next gen, perhaps 2018 is the year LOL! Maybe they'll finally make Meles proud. Shapovalov most of all hopefully because he's by far the most entertaining to watch IMO.
I both figured and bet on Stan winning in 4. That was no ordinary upset, if upset even applies
I 100 percent agree, I just think Murray is an added wrinkle and a much more likely threat to "spoil" a draw and beat someone. Add Wawrinka in there and you got a slam that's a lot harder to win, on paper at the very least.
I've read enough of your posts over the years to know this doesn't end in one post. And the time is 5.16 am here, I'm gonna sleep.So, you have no counter argument now. My point is, if you're going to crap on Nadal's 2010 US Open draw, then you can crap on Fed's 2006 US Open draw.
BTW he won't save you, I've completely and utterly OWNED him over the years. Now he's tucked his tail between his legs and given up because he knows he won't be able to convince any sane human being that follows this sport with his biased, ridiculous, fantasy land arguments.