[1] Nadal vs. [24] del Potro

Who will win?

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sbengte said:
I will believe it when I see it. Things look pretty bleak at this point.
I do hope Djoko and Stan come back swinging and would have recovered well from their respective issues. Or else AO will be no better with 80% of the top 10 injured or out, the other 20% being Dimitrov and Zverev.
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Now the real question is - who will stop Nadal winning multiple slams next year? Unless Djokovic comes back strong, Fed' record is gone.
 
Rafa24 said:
LOL Murray has acted like he can barely walk after points since he was 20 years old.
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:D

A few years ago I met this cool traveler nurse when I used to work the floor on the inpatient side, and we connected over tennis. Anyway, she hated Andy Murray for that reason, I remember she got this Andy Murray Champion book as a gift one year, and she gave it to me because she couldn't stand him, lol!
 
Big_Dangerous said:
:D

A few years ago I met this cool traveler nurse when I used to work the floor on the inpatient side, and we connected over tennis. Anyway, she hated Andy Murray for that reason, I remember she got this Andy Murray Champion book as a gift one year, and she gave it to me because she couldn't stand him, lol!
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LOL thats awesome. Thats always annoyed me how he does that.:D Between that and screaming at his box like it's their fault every time he misses a shot gets old.
 
****,go that i was going to sleep as i predicted the fall of potro.we all saw its over for him.too bad..nadal upped his game and if he will be healty next year he will surpass federer
 
zagor said:
Novak is the only one I've ever seen break the Fedal duopoly singlehandedly.
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Not really, since Novak has a 2HBH. :D

Sir Andrew Barron Murray OBE is undoubtedly one step behind Djokovic, but having 3 GS, 8 GSRU, 2 OG, 1 DC, 1 WTF and 14 MS in the era of Federer, Nadal and Djokovic is no small potatoes. At least in my book, I'm ok with the "Big 4" denomination, he has enough H2H wins and accolades to be remembered with them.

But yeah, we need those guys who keep the slams competitive and can produce epic matches, both in quality and significance. The last three ones (counting the present USO) have elicited too many discussions about weak eras, weak draws, etc.
 
Let's face it.
This was a hell of a boring match. Off course nice to see the 'exebition' of Nadal, but match was well below expectatios.
Did Delpo suffer the PBWT (Post Big Win Trauma)?
I don't buy the thing that he was tired. At certain points of the match he looked liked as if he was in any other place, that is not Arthur Ashe court.
 
I mean Delpo executed well his plan, he knew he would have been attacked on his BH, and that is what happened during the first set. He decided to go on BH rally rather than inside out FH, avoiding this way to open court on his right side.
Delpo simply had no reaction to the plan B of Rafa. When Rafa decide to change direction of rallies.
Delpo was playing well, simply he got out of the match due to a simple tactical change from Rafa. I think this is not acceptable, and Delpo should have looked for solutions.
 
Big_Dangerous said:
:D

A few years ago I met this cool traveler nurse when I used to work the floor on the inpatient side, and we connected over tennis. Anyway, she hated Andy Murray for that reason, I remember she got this Andy Murray Champion book as a gift one year, and she gave it to me because she couldn't stand him, lol!
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It's funny, every time I say I'm a tennis fan, people always assume that I support Murray simply because I'm British. The same used to happen when Henman was playing.
 
SeeSEEE that Delpo admits that he lost because he didn't have that normal great backhand like he did before wrist injury.

Q. Have you seen him -- has he ever dominated in a match like this with you before? What was your condition emotionally after this ten days?
JUAN MARTIN DEL POTRO: No, I think it was the first time to be dominate for him, but it's the first time we play without a good backhand on my side, you know. But anyways, he played so smart the second set, the third, and the fourth.

To be honest, I'm angry to lose a chance like this, but maybe tomorrow, after tomorrow, I will be calm and see how big the tournament was for me.
 
sbengte said:
Federer wasn't at 100% at AO, IW and Miami. But sure, he was confident, unlike in this tournament.
If only he had the confidence here, he could have done it. His injury messed with his prep and he lost the tournament in his head because of his doubts before a single ball was struck.
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Whatever the issue was or issues were, he looked like a completely different player after Wimbledon.
He obviously had residual physical issues, a lack of preparation and no confidence that he could win.
 
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D.Nalby12 said:
Now the real question is - who will stop Nadal winning multiple slams next year? Unless Djokovic comes back strong, Fed' record is gone.
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Let's not jump the gun here. How will Nadal win multiple slams next year? He hasn't even won the UsOpen this year yet.

Plus he has not beaten Federer in a big slam match. The last 2 matches against Fed were pretty one sided. Who is to say he will beat Fed next year in a big slam match?

And then of course if Djokovic comes back swinging , he will be a big thorn for Nadal. Not to mention Kygrios, Zverev, Dimitrov etc etc.

Then again Nadal might get injured. Especially if he over plays at the end of this year for #1. How many years has Nadal had completely injury free?
How can we assume 2018 will be like 2017 for Rafa? He has Never had 2 consecutive years at the top.

The only thing that can be said is that Nadal has good chances at the French Open next year. If, and it's a big if, he remains healthy.

Fed's slam record is safe. Even if Nadal wins more , it's not like Fed won't win more as well. Fed has a great chance in several Wimbledons going forward.

Nadal is playing for 2nd place, Fed is already the GOAT, and I doubt Rafa loses sleep over it.
 
albertobra said:
Let's face it.
This was a hell of a boring match. Off course nice to see the 'exebition' of Nadal, but match was well below expectatios.
Did Delpo suffer the PBWT (Post Big Win Trauma)?
I don't buy the thing that he was tired. At certain points of the match he looked liked as if he was in any other place, that is not Arthur Ashe court.
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I'll buy the "tired". Even though he won the 1st set, he was breathing heavily at times. I thought he would never hold up the whole match
 
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Point fingers and lay blame all you want, but the younger guys like Zverev, Kyrgios, Dimitrov, Coric, Thiem all collapsed when given the chance to take the next step here in New York. It's not Nadal's problem to worry about them not taking the opportunity to win against a depleted field this year. Not even Fed took advantage of it.
 
stringertom said:
Oh, I do give credit to Andy and to Delpo in '09 and to Djokovic in both '10 and '11. My comments are in rebuttal to Nadal's snarky putdown of Rublev's claim of "nothing to lose," which was spot on. The kid was playing with house money all the way from his unexpected win in 2R vs Dimitrov. No need for Nadal to go off on him with his chiding "you're remembered for your wins" comment. Totally classless.
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Was Rafa comment incorrect?
 
Nadalgaenger said:
The serve is as good but the movement isn't the same. No one in this draw was good enough to really take him to the limit.

Querrey might have had a shot if he had been in the zone. Maybe Anderson can for a set or two but doubt he can really tame the Bull.
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You can't deny aging effects on his movements but I don't think it's affecting his game significantly.
He is still best defender on tour I think.
 
stringertom said:
Sometimes Nadal is his own worst PR enemy with his poor choice of words, no? Should be experienced enough by now, wouldn't you think???
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Yes and no. For the most part Nadal is one of the most transparent players on tour (personal view). Although he seems to be highly moral and tactful (for the most part), that is not to say that he will sugar coat things that he don't like. Perhaps the 'perceived' callous response could have been attributed from various factors, the type of question (check Rafas response "Roger is not my boyfriend" response), his current mood, of a specific emotion he may be dealing with.
 
Late with this so here goes:

I was obviously a bit sad to see Del Potro's run end but holy s--- what happened to Nadal after the first set?!!! It was like a Bruce Banner-Hulk transformation! I hadn't seen anything like that from Nadal in forever. Never in a hundred years would I have thought he would easily beat Delpo in winners. Yes Delpo was out of gas but regardless I hadn't seen Nadal move that way on HC's in four years.

Once he got acclimated and in a groove he was getting back most of JM's fury with interest. And he was putting more on his shots with precision. Did he have an earpiece with instructions from Toni? I wouldn't hesitate to say THAT Rafa would tear Fed apart (much like he did in '13). I will eat crow for what I've said about him this year, I was truly shocked at the difference in how he was playing. Guess he didn't want to show his cards too soon lol.

As a Delpo fan I hate it for him but he's got plenty to be proud of for the first time this year. His comeback against Thiem will forever be a great memory and his thorough outplaying (and getting in his head) of Fed was classic. But between his lack of energy and Rafa turning into a beast he didn't have a prayer last night. But it was super encouraging to finally see him rediscover his 2016 form of play. Now if he can just KEEP IT UP and not just go back to sleepwalking again! Vamos Delpo!

Having said about Rafa this final is NOT a gimme. Anderson is indisputably playing the best all around tennis of his career and is a threat to anyone right now. The way he's playing is reminding me of Roddick at his best, and we know that even a younger Rafa had some issues against Andy at times. But if Rafa plays anything like he did last night I think he's got it covered. Should he do that I'm sure we'll have a whole off season of tense GOAT discussions that I don't look forward to but oh well.

Congrats to the non-obnoxious Rafa fans and to @EdMcMush and the whole South African contingent (including Ernie Els who I adore even though I don't watch golf anymore) on your guys making the final. I'll be found this evening rooting like hell for Dale Jr. to pull off a miracle at Richmond to make the Chase.

PS Speaking of Golf does anyone have ANY kind of explanation for Tiger appearing in Rafa's corner?!! Did he and Fed have a falling out or something?
 
citybert said:
So Rafa and Tiger get along now since they both cheat on their women and trade tips on burners and deleting their DMs?

Add Carlos Moya to that too
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What the hell are you talking about? Is there any proof Rafa cheated on Xisca? If not your comment is highly Inappropriate mate
 
VaporDude95 said:
Delpo is the only seeded player that Nadal has played on route to the final. He relies on weak draws to win anything off clay lmao
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Strange you say that, didn't he beat Novak twice at the US Open 'Final' and Peak Federer at 'Wimbledon' and the Australian Open? Nope, it was all a dream, NVM
 
D.Nalby12 said:
Delpo had nothing to bring on table once Nadal changed strategy, became more aggressive and went FH DTL instead of instead of engaging CC rallies. He got out-winnered, Nadal neutralised his forehand bombs with his defense, then ultimately his forehand became a hit or miss shot. Truly got dismantled in last 3 sets.
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Del Potro is a shadow of the man that won USO 2009. Not even half the player he was. He needs to retire otherwise he may lose all feeling in his wrist.
 
TennisFan3 said:
Let's not jump the gun here. How will Nadal win multiple slams next year? He hasn't even won the UsOpen this year yet.

Plus he has not beaten Federer in a big slam match. The last 2 matches against Fed were pretty one sided. Who is to say he will beat Fed next year in a big slam match?

And then of course if Djokovic comes back swinging , he will be a big thorn for Nadal. Not to mention Kygrios, Zverev, Dimitrov etc etc.

Then again Nadal might get injured. Especially if he over plays at the end of this year for #1. How many years has Nadal had completely injury free?
How can we assume 2018 will be like 2017 for Rafa? He has Never had 2 consecutive years at the top.

The only thing that can be said is that Nadal has good chances at the French Open next year. If, and it's a big if, he remains healthy.

Fed's slam record is safe. Even if Nadal wins more , it's not like Fed won't win more as well. Fed has a great chance in several Wimbledons going forward.

Nadal is playing for 2nd place, Fed is already the GOAT, and I doubt Rafa loses sleep over it.
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After Roland Garros 2016, I was wondering who the heck was ever going to stop Djokovic from surpassing Nadal's 14 and Federer's 17. Djokovic was winning EVERYTHING to the point that people were becoming bored and frustrated with tennis. Fed fans and Nadal fans were so disgruntled that they needed eachothers' support and were hoping for a light at the end of the tunnel.
And then suddenly one day, Djokovic began losing everything! It shows you how quickly things can change in this sport.
In Nadal's case, he's playing a lot of matches at age 31. His body isn't going to handle this stress for long. He sees a window of opportunity to bag titles while the going is good and while lots of players are recovering from injuries. But one thing you can't change is that he's still 31 and his body has been through the wars. And the younger generation are now coming up. Nadal got a taste of the young guys in Montreal and Cincinnati. Those guys, especially Shapovalov, Zverev, and Thiem are going to become major obstacles in the Slams as they mature and get stronger and fitter going forward into 2018. The future is looking strong.
 
Mike Sams said:
....And the younger generation are now coming up. Nadal got a taste of the young guys in Montreal and Cincinnati. Those guys, especially Shapovalov, Zverev, and Thiem are going to become major obstacles in the Slams as they mature and get stronger and fitter going forward into 2018. The future is looking strong.
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JohnnyMac Fan! said:
Fed 2008 wasnt peak? Novak 2010 and 2013, didn't he win the Australian Open already? What are you smoking? Give me some
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You think I'm smoking something when you're trying to assert such rubbish? HA!

Novak in 2010 was just regaining confidence after the Todd Martin debacle and Fed in 2008 was just crap. No peaks involved.
 
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