Now the real question is - who will stop Nadal winning multiple slams next year? Unless Djokovic comes back strong, Fed' record is gone.
[1] Nadal vs. [24] del Potro
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Now the real question is - who will stop Nadal winning multiple slams next year? Unless Djokovic comes back strong, Fed' record is gone.
Rafa24
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Tomic says he is going to work hard now.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
A few years ago I met this cool traveler nurse when I used to work the floor on the inpatient side, and we connected over tennis. Anyway, she hated Andy Murray for that reason, I remember she got this Andy Murray Champion book as a gift one year, and she gave it to me because she couldn't stand him, lol!
Rafa24
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LOL thats awesome. Thats always annoyed me how he does that.
A few years ago I met this cool traveler nurse when I used to work the floor on the inpatient side, and we connected over tennis. Anyway, she hated Andy Murray for that reason, I remember she got this Andy Murray Champion book as a gift one year, and she gave it to me because she couldn't stand him, lol!
Between that and screaming at his box like it's their fault every time he misses a shot gets old.
cucio
Legend
Not really, since Novak has a 2HBH.
Sir Andrew Barron Murray OBE is undoubtedly one step behind Djokovic, but having 3 GS, 8 GSRU, 2 OG, 1 DC, 1 WTF and 14 MS in the era of Federer, Nadal and Djokovic is no small potatoes. At least in my book, I'm ok with the "Big 4" denomination, he has enough H2H wins and accolades to be remembered with them.
But yeah, we need those guys who keep the slams competitive and can produce epic matches, both in quality and significance. The last three ones (counting the present USO) have elicited too many discussions about weak eras, weak draws, etc.
malbaker86
Hall of Fame
heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
In the immortal words of somebody: Del Outro
Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
Nadal was close to unbeatable form in the last 3 sets, impressive!
The problem he very rarely plays like this. I expect nervous match against Anderson.
albertobra
Hall of Fame
Let's face it.
This was a hell of a boring match. Off course nice to see the 'exebition' of Nadal, but match was well below expectatios.
Did Delpo suffer the PBWT (Post Big Win Trauma)?
I don't buy the thing that he was tired. At certain points of the match he looked liked as if he was in any other place, that is not Arthur Ashe court.
This was a hell of a boring match. Off course nice to see the 'exebition' of Nadal, but match was well below expectatios.
Did Delpo suffer the PBWT (Post Big Win Trauma)?
I don't buy the thing that he was tired. At certain points of the match he looked liked as if he was in any other place, that is not Arthur Ashe court.
albertobra
Hall of Fame
I mean Delpo executed well his plan, he knew he would have been attacked on his BH, and that is what happened during the first set. He decided to go on BH rally rather than inside out FH, avoiding this way to open court on his right side.
Delpo simply had no reaction to the plan B of Rafa. When Rafa decide to change direction of rallies.
Delpo was playing well, simply he got out of the match due to a simple tactical change from Rafa. I think this is not acceptable, and Delpo should have looked for solutions.
Delpo simply had no reaction to the plan B of Rafa. When Rafa decide to change direction of rallies.
Delpo was playing well, simply he got out of the match due to a simple tactical change from Rafa. I think this is not acceptable, and Delpo should have looked for solutions.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
It's funny, every time I say I'm a tennis fan, people always assume that I support Murray simply because I'm British. The same used to happen when Henman was playing.
A few years ago I met this cool traveler nurse when I used to work the floor on the inpatient side, and we connected over tennis. Anyway, she hated Andy Murray for that reason, I remember she got this Andy Murray Champion book as a gift one year, and she gave it to me because she couldn't stand him, lol!
Jon Snow
Semi-Pro
Same. I'm British too and people thought I support Murray. I'm like hell no.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Credit to Rafa! What a player! Think no16 coming up Sunday!
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
SeeSEEE that Delpo admits that he lost because he didn't have that normal great backhand like he did before wrist injury.
Q. Have you seen him -- has he ever dominated in a match like this with you before? What was your condition emotionally after this ten days?
JUAN MARTIN DEL POTRO: No, I think it was the first time to be dominate for him, but it's the first time we play without a good backhand on my side, you know. But anyways, he played so smart the second set, the third, and the fourth.
To be honest, I'm angry to lose a chance like this, but maybe tomorrow, after tomorrow, I will be calm and see how big the tournament was for me.
Q. Have you seen him -- has he ever dominated in a match like this with you before? What was your condition emotionally after this ten days?
JUAN MARTIN DEL POTRO: No, I think it was the first time to be dominate for him, but it's the first time we play without a good backhand on my side, you know. But anyways, he played so smart the second set, the third, and the fourth.
To be honest, I'm angry to lose a chance like this, but maybe tomorrow, after tomorrow, I will be calm and see how big the tournament was for me.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Whatever the issue was or issues were, he looked like a completely different player after Wimbledon.
He obviously had residual physical issues, a lack of preparation and no confidence that he could win.
octobrina10
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I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
Oh yeah cant wait
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Let's not jump the gun here. How will Nadal win multiple slams next year? He hasn't even won the UsOpen this year yet.
Plus he has not beaten Federer in a big slam match. The last 2 matches against Fed were pretty one sided. Who is to say he will beat Fed next year in a big slam match?
And then of course if Djokovic comes back swinging , he will be a big thorn for Nadal. Not to mention Kygrios, Zverev, Dimitrov etc etc.
Then again Nadal might get injured. Especially if he over plays at the end of this year for #1. How many years has Nadal had completely injury free?
How can we assume 2018 will be like 2017 for Rafa? He has Never had 2 consecutive years at the top.
The only thing that can be said is that Nadal has good chances at the French Open next year. If, and it's a big if, he remains healthy.
Fed's slam record is safe. Even if Nadal wins more , it's not like Fed won't win more as well. Fed has a great chance in several Wimbledons going forward.
Nadal is playing for 2nd place, Fed is already the GOAT, and I doubt Rafa loses sleep over it.
Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
Nadal was good but Delpo's level dropped a lot after that first set. He had no pace on his serve/shots. Credit to Nadal for running him around and wearing him out.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I'll buy the "tired". Even though he won the 1st set, he was breathing heavily at times. I thought he would never hold up the whole match
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Rickenbacker4003
Hall of Fame
Point fingers and lay blame all you want, but the younger guys like Zverev, Kyrgios, Dimitrov, Coric, Thiem all collapsed when given the chance to take the next step here in New York. It's not Nadal's problem to worry about them not taking the opportunity to win against a depleted field this year. Not even Fed took advantage of it.
JohnnyMac Fan!
Legend
Was Rafa comment incorrect?
You can't deny aging effects on his movements but I don't think it's affecting his game significantly.
He is still best defender on tour I think.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Was argumentative when it would have been more correct and sympathetic to say, "Yes, I too had less pressure when I was 19 and in my first slam QF."
JohnnyMac Fan!
Legend
Perhaps, but also maybe you could be reading more to a poorly thought out response.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Sometimes Nadal is his own worst PR enemy with his poor choice of words, no? Should be experienced enough by now, wouldn't you think???
JohnnyMac Fan!
Legend
Yes and no. For the most part Nadal is one of the most transparent players on tour (personal view). Although he seems to be highly moral and tactful (for the most part), that is not to say that he will sugar coat things that he don't like. Perhaps the 'perceived' callous response could have been attributed from various factors, the type of question (check Rafas response "Roger is not my boyfriend" response), his current mood, of a specific emotion he may be dealing with.
YellowFedBetter
Hall of Fame
Late with this so here goes:
I was obviously a bit sad to see Del Potro's run end but holy s--- what happened to Nadal after the first set?!!! It was like a Bruce Banner-Hulk transformation! I hadn't seen anything like that from Nadal in forever. Never in a hundred years would I have thought he would easily beat Delpo in winners. Yes Delpo was out of gas but regardless I hadn't seen Nadal move that way on HC's in four years.
Once he got acclimated and in a groove he was getting back most of JM's fury with interest. And he was putting more on his shots with precision. Did he have an earpiece with instructions from Toni? I wouldn't hesitate to say THAT Rafa would tear Fed apart (much like he did in '13). I will eat crow for what I've said about him this year, I was truly shocked at the difference in how he was playing. Guess he didn't want to show his cards too soon lol.
As a Delpo fan I hate it for him but he's got plenty to be proud of for the first time this year. His comeback against Thiem will forever be a great memory and his thorough outplaying (and getting in his head) of Fed was classic. But between his lack of energy and Rafa turning into a beast he didn't have a prayer last night. But it was super encouraging to finally see him rediscover his 2016 form of play. Now if he can just KEEP IT UP and not just go back to sleepwalking again! Vamos Delpo!
Having said about Rafa this final is NOT a gimme. Anderson is indisputably playing the best all around tennis of his career and is a threat to anyone right now. The way he's playing is reminding me of Roddick at his best, and we know that even a younger Rafa had some issues against Andy at times. But if Rafa plays anything like he did last night I think he's got it covered. Should he do that I'm sure we'll have a whole off season of tense GOAT discussions that I don't look forward to but oh well.
Congrats to the non-obnoxious Rafa fans and to @EdMcMush and the whole South African contingent (including Ernie Els who I adore even though I don't watch golf anymore) on your guys making the final. I'll be found this evening rooting like hell for Dale Jr. to pull off a miracle at Richmond to make the Chase.
PS Speaking of Golf does anyone have ANY kind of explanation for Tiger appearing in Rafa's corner?!! Did he and Fed have a falling out or something?
I was obviously a bit sad to see Del Potro's run end but holy s--- what happened to Nadal after the first set?!!! It was like a Bruce Banner-Hulk transformation! I hadn't seen anything like that from Nadal in forever. Never in a hundred years would I have thought he would easily beat Delpo in winners. Yes Delpo was out of gas but regardless I hadn't seen Nadal move that way on HC's in four years.
Once he got acclimated and in a groove he was getting back most of JM's fury with interest. And he was putting more on his shots with precision. Did he have an earpiece with instructions from Toni? I wouldn't hesitate to say THAT Rafa would tear Fed apart (much like he did in '13). I will eat crow for what I've said about him this year, I was truly shocked at the difference in how he was playing. Guess he didn't want to show his cards too soon lol.
As a Delpo fan I hate it for him but he's got plenty to be proud of for the first time this year. His comeback against Thiem will forever be a great memory and his thorough outplaying (and getting in his head) of Fed was classic. But between his lack of energy and Rafa turning into a beast he didn't have a prayer last night. But it was super encouraging to finally see him rediscover his 2016 form of play. Now if he can just KEEP IT UP and not just go back to sleepwalking again! Vamos Delpo!
Having said about Rafa this final is NOT a gimme. Anderson is indisputably playing the best all around tennis of his career and is a threat to anyone right now. The way he's playing is reminding me of Roddick at his best, and we know that even a younger Rafa had some issues against Andy at times. But if Rafa plays anything like he did last night I think he's got it covered. Should he do that I'm sure we'll have a whole off season of tense GOAT discussions that I don't look forward to but oh well.
Congrats to the non-obnoxious Rafa fans and to @EdMcMush and the whole South African contingent (including Ernie Els who I adore even though I don't watch golf anymore) on your guys making the final. I'll be found this evening rooting like hell for Dale Jr. to pull off a miracle at Richmond to make the Chase.
PS Speaking of Golf does anyone have ANY kind of explanation for Tiger appearing in Rafa's corner?!! Did he and Fed have a falling out or something?
JohnnyMac Fan!
Legend
I suppose you called it
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Glad we stayed up now Rafa fans? Sorry for JMDP fans, hope he can stay healthy guy is incredible when zoning, great guy.
Close the show Rafa!!!!!!!!!!!
2013 vibes
JohnnyMac Fan!
Legend
What the hell are you talking about? Is there any proof Rafa cheated on Xisca? If not your comment is highly Inappropriate mate
YellowFedBetter
Hall of Fame
Not to mention they aren't actually married IIRC.
JohnnyMac Fan!
Legend
Strange you say that, didn't he beat Novak twice at the US Open 'Final' and Peak Federer at 'Wimbledon' and the Australian Open? Nope, it was all a dream, NVM
JohnnyMac Fan!
Legend
Let's hope he can bring the goods and a good Ros tomorrow against Anderson. He can be tricky with that crazy serve2013 vibes
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Ive watched this semi 3-4 times already
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Fed himself, outside of the French.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Del Potro is a shadow of the man that won USO 2009. Not even half the player he was. He needs to retire otherwise he may lose all feeling in his wrist.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
After Roland Garros 2016, I was wondering who the heck was ever going to stop Djokovic from surpassing Nadal's 14 and Federer's 17. Djokovic was winning EVERYTHING to the point that people were becoming bored and frustrated with tennis. Fed fans and Nadal fans were so disgruntled that they needed eachothers' support and were hoping for a light at the end of the tunnel.
And then suddenly one day, Djokovic began losing everything! It shows you how quickly things can change in this sport.
In Nadal's case, he's playing a lot of matches at age 31. His body isn't going to handle this stress for long. He sees a window of opportunity to bag titles while the going is good and while lots of players are recovering from injuries. But one thing you can't change is that he's still 31 and his body has been through the wars. And the younger generation are now coming up. Nadal got a taste of the young guys in Montreal and Cincinnati. Those guys, especially Shapovalov, Zverev, and Thiem are going to become major obstacles in the Slams as they mature and get stronger and fitter going forward into 2018. The future is looking strong.
VaporDude95
Banned
2010 Novak wasn't "peak", 2008 Federer wasn't "peak", nor was 2009 Fed. Yes, you're dreaming
Meles
Bionic Poster
For Thiem just being in the conversation with Fed and Rafa on hard courts is a solid step. Two players looking like a lock for 3 and 4 seed at Auz as predicted by those with tennis sense.
Meles
Bionic Poster
JohnnyMac Fan!
Legend
Fed 2008 wasnt peak? Novak 2010 and 2013, didn't he win the Australian Open already? What are you smoking? Give me some2010 Novak wasn't "peak", 2008 Federer wasn't "peak", nor was 2009 Fed. Yes, you're dreaming
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Lol at Rublev there, specially after knowing that his fav bands are Metallica and ACDC, fav athlete Mike Tyson
Which of these younger do you think will win a slam first?
Im thinking one of these two:
Rublev has to develop more, much more, Shapo too.
VolleyHelena
Semi-Pro
At French, it would mean so much more
VaporDude95
Banned
You think I'm smoking something when you're trying to assert such rubbish? HA!
Novak in 2010 was just regaining confidence after the Todd Martin debacle and Fed in 2008 was just crap. No peaks involved.
