Discussion in 'Racquets' started by anirut, Oct 19, 2006.
What grip size are you using mate?
I have Lux M2 Pro full bed. Not my usual set up.
Serving is not bad, mind you. It is just that i had put in more effort than usual.
This one feels just about right. Tough to describe, but you know, when you hit the ball, it feels pretty good.
I am going to be trying many more string set ups.
Have another match today. Lets see how it goes.
I have a redondo mid, and although I like it it still plays a little flimsy and/or a bit too flexy and a tad too low powered too me (I used a pro staff 6.0 and BLX PS 90 before, but these gave me a sore elbow lately). Mine is strung with technifibre x-one biphase 16. How can I make my stick a bit more crisp and give it a bit more pop? Different string? I do not want to use poly, because of my elbow...! Is head RIP an option? Any suggestions are very welcome I am not very good at tuning rackets, always played stock with my wilsons with a 16 gauche nylon or multi in it. (Hybrid in the last BLX PS 90, but I do not dare to use poly anymore now that the elbow has been cured!).
thansk for any help from you experts!
I don't think it is your mind, I certainly find I am hitting a heavier/spinnier ball if and am also painting the lines although you can still flatten out your shots if you choose too
you could A, change racket(diablo mid, Yonex rdsi 100 mid, exo graphite mid?), B, try a headguardtape(not joking, will increase sw just a bit and make it slightly more solid in the upper hoop) C, try 2 grams of lead inside throat, (the rackets throat, yes i am a part time stand up comedian..)This will make it feel more stiff/solid in that flex area, D, try lowering tension, i use only 44lbs on this frame, I would stay away from head RIP, try isospeed control classic instead...
a kind offer but happy with my 3 babies!
I have been using Black5edge and it plays really nicely, going to try the usual suspects soon to like alu rough and rpm blast just to get some perspective
I used to use the same rackets (PS 6.0 95s) and like you had to change due to shoulder and arm issues I chose this racket due to its flexibility but I have discovered that (for me anyway) that it works best with a full poly set up at about 54lbs which gives it that crisp feeling whilst still retaining the flexy feel that I like. I was worried about using full poly but I have absolutely no problem with poly in this racket. Of course I cannot say to you you will not have arm issues but perhaps worth a try as it will give you the crispness you desire
never felt the need to lead this racket so cannot comment
Why? I love Head RIP Control 17g but I am still curious about your preference of Isospeed control classic.
i guess it depends on the racket and personal preference, but i found it muted/harsh, the isospeed is more muted/crisp with a long dwell time, control and very comfortable, allthough not my favourite string.
I play with Redondo MP and I must admit it feels a bit too muted with Head RIP Control 17. What about Isospeed Professional Classic 17?
tried it briefly, and it was very different(very thin) did not seem so solid... i liked the old classic more.
The second outing was better than the first. Two tight tie-break sets. I played a much tougher opponent, this guy has pretty good set of wheels. I usually lose 2&2 to him. My serving helped me hold my own ground. I was serving pretty good, especially the flat ones. Perhaps the strings loosened up a bit after yesterday's play. So far no shoulder discomfort.
I am loving this stick.
I have another league match tom. I will have more to say after the game.
i use 17g x1 biphase in the mains with 17g RIP in the crosses. it is much crisper than full biphase but you still get some pop(added spin doesn't hurt either).
^ better yet, the best gut you can afford, with RIP 17 crosses. (Klip legend is were I ended up)
^^^ Unfortunately gut is waaay out of my price range.
a year on and i'm going to venture out and buy two 98's, and maybe another 93 to complete my set up...
i am happy to say my search is over... cost me a pretty penny... but am always happy to step on court...
above i had said i needed some time to judge the serve, well... everything is back... i would say that in the year that i have been playing with the racquet, i did feel as though i 'lost' my volleys for a while, but that was mere laziness on my own part technically, wanting the racquet to do a little bit for me at times...
i have settled with a ****ty synthetic gut strung at 57lbs... have found great feel at high power here, coupled with the ability to blend in off pace shots with ease...
i knew i was venturing in the correct direction with pro kennex, the racquet of my youth... i just wished i had gone with the early hunch that the redondo was the one to go for first and save myself some pennies...
but, material value doesnt matter where happiness is concerned...
the redondo prototype... is retiring...?
Rackets bought since last year Jan: 2 prince warrior mp , 1 babolat PSL, 2 BC30, 2 BC20, 2 Volkl PB mid, 2 Donnay Pro One, 2 Redondo mp. I am glad that I have finally decided to settle on Redondo mp for good! The Redondo does almost everything better or on par (at least for me) with all the rackets listed above, except Pro One's serve (Which is something special about Pro One). The balance, the control and the power suits my game just so well. Right now, it is finding the right string combi. I have tried full poly set-up (B5E at 48 lbs) and full multi set-up Prince Premier Attack (at 52 lbs) so far and both set-ups felt great with the multi set-up being more powerful and comfortable. Next set-up I will be trying will be full poly with Silverstring (at 50 lbs). Thanks to all the posters who have contributed to this thread that allowed me to decide on this wonderful racket! Cheers
I haven't been playing tennis much the past 2.5 years or so, but I'm looking to get into it. I have a few Redondo Mids and I think they play fantastic. The main reason I bought them was that they're supposed to be easy on the arm and I like the dense pattern, but I was always curious as to how the MPs played in comparison. I can stand a slightly bigger headsize since I tend to shank the ball on my forehand on occasion, especially after not having played much in recent days. Can anyone direct me toward a post number in this thread (if they know it off hand) with a solid comparison of the two? Or any thoughts on the matter?
Also, anything about the BA 93 or 98 vs the Redondo?
Hi all. I wanted to keep updating my early findings with the Redondo MPs. I got a 3rd one from TW. I wanted to be able to experiment with different strings at the same time and to always have at least one racket with fresh strings, grips at the ready for any game.
Unfortunately, this one also has the same problem with the grip pallet. I will write to TW and ProKennex about it. Anirut helped me with the last one, and I think I have enough info to have a go myself at fixing it. I have a mind to strip all 3 frames down and try to match weight and swing weight.
In terms of playing, I am somewhat over the honeymoon phase and coming to terms with my new tools. I played a tough game and did not hit well. 100% my fault, not the rackets. I lost 2 sets quickly, but then came back and won a third in a tie-breaker because I worked my swing out better. The rackets may lack in out-and-out power (although they hit a heavy ball), but they allow for some deft touch around the net and on approach shots. I believe I will be able to develop a more versatile game because of them. I started to experiment with my serve and found a wicked slice ball which I was glad to see again.
I experimented with using leather grip only and it did not work. Combination of slipperiness and size. With Head pro blue over grip, the grips feel perfect and I won't get away from this set-up (except maybe for the classic Tourna Grip). Re: strings, I first liked the Solinco Tour Bite Hybrid, but now I like the TruFeel Hybrid set-up better. I also have Alu Rough 16L and Wilson NXT 16. This one felt different for sure. The balls were much shorter and there was a ping, even with the same vibration dampener. I need more time with it to see if it has qualifies I like, but at the moment, I think not.
I still don't think I could find a better racket and just look forward to working on my game - which needs it. Hope this is somewhat helpful for Redondians, current and aspiring.
Here's my 'broken record': The Redondo's like a 9mm. The BA's like a .45.
I have only the mids (93).
Haha, I see, thanks. Now, is that purely from a performance perspective or also in terms of how they feel on the arm? From a specs point of view, it seems like the BA should be easy on the arm with its 58 RDC, balance, and decent enough heft.
OK, there's a BIG problem with PK's QC and how I 'countered' it.
Long ago I bought a used Redondo from a friend and it's about 10 grams heavier than my usual one with about the same balance. But the SW is greatly different. Iceinbangkok held both the sticks and could feel the big difference too.
So, I proceeded to mod it, to make it easier to play with.
And to cut the story short, I just returned from 2 hours of play and, I must say, it's the most uber comfy stick I've ever played, even with syn gut @ 55 lbs (Forten Sweet 17). No shoulder fatique, no vibration even when I almost framed the ball. No jarring even when hit right at the top of the frame. Just a big 'thud'. The racket's as stable as a rock.
How was that achieved? The answer is simple: weight. Very heavy weight.
As I mentioned that the SW was way wierd out of spec, although the balance was fine, the stick felt very head-heavy and very difficult to play with. And as I usually say: "Mod your racket to feel, not numbers.", I just used 'feel' as the key to taming this freak-SW Redondo.
The final result yielded ... 398.8 grams, 17 pts HL. It's a darn TANK! I've nicknamed it the M1 Abrams.
Inspite of the weight, it was very easy to play with and my hitting partner said the shots were very heavy, too. Spins were kickin' up like crazy. I'll have to fine tune it a bit and that may raise the weight upto 400-ish grams and may be a point more HL. Will have to change the strings too. The Forten's a bit too soft (and low tension) for a stick this heavy that I lost the feel at contact and the flat shots were sailing a bit long.
Will report more next week after the fine tuning.
Sorry missed out on this!
I use 4-1/4. Do you have any that you would like to offload?
No worries bud! I have one I'm looking to get rid of, but its 4 1/2!
I am comparing the PK Redondo MP and BA98.
From my last hitting sessions experiences I learned that I prefer the feel and touch of the BA98. However the Redondo plays more solid with a more muted/dampened feel.
So I want to make the BA98 feel more solid like the Redondo. I already added 12g of lead all around the head (from 4 to 8).
Lately I replaced the grip pallets of both frames and I discovered silicone gel into the handle of the Redondo.
What if I inject 20 grams of silicone gel into my BA98?
Would that resemble the solid feel of the Redondo?
First, I'm wondering why suddenly silicone is found in the Redondo? At least Ice's and yours, and both are MP's. My two mids ain't got any.
As for silicone in the BA .... ummmm ... I'm not sure if that'll make it feel like the Redondo. From my experience of using long rubber strips inserted inside both my BA mid and Redondo mid, the feel was still different.
Thanks for your reply. I was also surprised to see the silicone into my Redondo MP when I was replacing the original PK pallets with Volkl S ones in order to create a Wilson shaped grip.
I described this process into this thread where you can find pictures of the silicone as well.
But back to the topic... About the difference in feel of the BA vs Redondo I experienced a much more muted/dampened feel with the Redondo that might be caused by the silicone.
Before I really inject silicone I put about 12g of poster buddies (similar stuff like Blu-Tack) into one of my BA98. This morning I played with this frame and I noticed a slightly more solid feel. Only the original PK grip is too small to my taste that I 'll replace with Volkl S pallets this week. After that I can compare better with the Redondo.
Hi Guys - I wanted to update again as I have had a chance to play a few more times with the Redondo MPs.
First, as Anirut mentioned, we did find silicon in the handle when he helped me to repair the grip pallet. As the other frames I have are similar weight, it's reasonable to suppose they all have silicon in there. My frames seem to be 12.6 - 12.8 oz each, strung and with over grip and dampener. I have not been able to find my game yet, as it has been a long while. I have lost a couple of games and really felt out of my depth. It made me question the choice of frame. I considered trying the Black Ace, or the 7g - and even going down to a 90sq" frame like a Wilson Six One. Fortunately, I stuck with the MPs and tried several different strings and tensions. I now think I have found the one - Solinco Tour Bite/Vanquish hybrid at 53/55 lbs tension. This gives me the sound and feel I was looking for - pocketing with a crisp sound, but still soft on the arm. I was planning to do more testing and comparison, but I have now decided that it would help get my game in order if I zero in now on one string combination and work on my strokes. I can't imagine finding anything much better than this current set up. The strings combine with the super solid feel of the redondo, and the balance is classic. This string seems to give a larger sweet spot to the racket by the way. Some others like Alu Rough and Kirschbaum Evolution 17 made more of a pingy sound and felt different on off-center hits. Some might like that feedback though.
Hope this helps some and I will get on with trying to get my game back in shoe. Oh, by the way, I haven't noticed the voice from the new pallet, so it seems not to be as much of a problem as the previous one.
Been playing with my Redondo mid very often lately and even got a friend interested enough to buy one of his own. This stick launches the ball like a rocket and yet manages to feel like butter. Tempted to get another one just because it makes me so happy.
I broke out mine just for kicks yesterday and loved it. Will start using it more regularly now. My elbow has been a little tender recently but not after using the Redondo yesterday.
any idea where i can buy some replacement grommet/bumper guards for the tops of my 93's...?
the abrasive hardcourts at work have quickly worn them down from my slice and volleys... don't want to wear them through the frame..
anyways, loving my 93's... but also wondering has any one had any experience of going from a 93 redondo to a 98... and loving it more...?
been playing with full poly set up since I have had the rackets (tried full gut but weirdly preferred full poly as it was crisper) but it is lacking a bit of feel and it is a bit 'tinny' so I tried: alu rough mains and wilson sensation crosses
verdict: a hybrid set up could be the one, it retained a bit of the crispness that the poly has and the syn gut just took the edge off and gave me some feel back, felt slightly muted but only played 2 sets with it, and was playing better and better as the game went on...
any other hybrid recommendations?
I only have experiences with the R98 but another TT poster Basil demoed extensively both the Mid and MP. He described the pros and cons very well and I completely agree as I have similar experiences with Head Prestige Mid vs MP.
He tried to switch to the Mid twice or three times but he always came to the conclusion that the MP is a more versatile frame.
Search into this thread by his name and you 'll find his story about the R93 vs R98.
I am curious about your experiences about the Redondo Mid vs Midplus as well.
A few years ago I demoed both the Head Microgel Prestige Mid and the Midplus that might be a very similar comparison as between the two Redondo versions.
I noticed the mid has a much more solid hit and that it has a more connected feel. A very addictive control and feel. That's why I tried to switch to the Mid and I hoped to adjust my game but unfortunately I didn't. Maybe I am just too much used to a MP headsize as I have been playing last 15 years with a 95-98" headsize.
That's why I tried to customize the Head Prestige MP to the specs of the Mid because I loved that solid and connected feel. I added lead about 8 grams at 3 and 9 and counterbalanced with a leather grip. Unfortunately I didn't like the feel so I was looking for another racquet.
Some day I discovered the Technifibre T-Fight 335 16x20 that had that solid feel that I missed with the Head Prestige MP. I played 4 years with it with good results. I especially loved the uberstable volleys and solid groundstrokes with the Tf335. It only felt a bit too stiff to my taste and my serve motion felt a bit too cumbersome.
Now that I found the Redondo MP! It has it all! Lots of feel, touch, control and that connected solid hit! But wait,.. There must still be something missing... oh yes I think I need a bit higher swingweight because I think it swings a bit too light but that can be fixed with some lead strips.
So I understand why most posters into this thread prefer the mid. Especially when they only play recreationally and they don't care about match results.
The racquet headsize should suit your game. For instance a hard hitter with flat strokes and a big serve who doesn't like to play long rallies should fit a mid very well. (See players like Safin, Ivanisevic, Sampras). On the contrary a typical clay court player 'll more benefit from a bigger headsize.(Look at many Spanish players like Nadal, Ferrer, Moya, Costa, Ferrero).
Most pro players use a MP because it has more options, forgiveness, power and spin than a midsize. At pro level they simply need that at such a high speed rallies!
BTW I read the following from the book Technical Tennis from Rodd Cross and Crawford Lindsey (see page 133) that most pro players use a 95" headsize frame because there is no need to tilt the racquet head as far as 35 degrees and because a smaller head is more maneuverable.
I've been using the Redondo Mid since march and have just recently(literally like yesterday) meshed to my game. i realized that this is the wrong racket to swing for the fences with as it often resulted in an out ball. However if i took the ball on the rise with a controlled swing i got the same amount of TS as i did with my Speed Pro with enhanced control:twisted:. My slice and backhand finally clicked with the Redondo. Now i'm not sure if this is the case with everyone but when i started taking those controlled swings the precision was amazing as was the touch capabilities. These recent developments have convinced me to my decision final: The Redondo is officially my main racket!
I had been playing with a full bed of Techinifibre NRG 17 in my Redondo Mids for about 2 years, but I wanted to find a less expensive alternative. I was leary of trying polyester strings due to their stiffness and potential for discomfort. As far as I'm concerned, comfort is king, even if it means I have to spend a little more to get it. However, I read up on soft co-polys and decided to give one a try in a hybrid set-up with NRG 17. I decided on Polyfibre Black Venom 16L in the crosses at 55 and NRG 17 in the mains at 57. I expected the feel to be different, and it was crisper, but what surprised me was the extra pop I got on my shots and the fact that the sweetspot on the Redondo Mid seemed to be bigger. I tried the hybrid set-up for a few months on one of my Redondos, and I had no disomfort at all. I now have all 4 of my Redondo Mids strung with the hybrid set-up. At my next restringing, I think I'll go just a little higher in tension to reign in some of the extra power I've been getting, but for me, the NRG 17 - Black Venom 16L hybrid is a winner.
I'm pretty sure that the PK Black Ace 93 grommets will fit the Redondo Mid perfectly, but please check with TW Customer Service to make sure.
Voll-E...I like Polyfibre Black Venom and Viper along with Technifibre Black and Red Code in my 18x20 sticks. I popped strings in my IG Prestige Mid today, and finished off the day with my Redondo Mid strung with Pro Red Code 17g/Babolat N.VY 17g at 52/54. I guess it's the CAP grommets in the Prestige, because the Redondo felt super-flexy and softer than normal. Taking big cuts out of the ball felt great, but I might go to a 16g in the crosses. I felt like having a full 17g setup gave the Redondo too much pop at that tension. Plus, I go 17g/16g in my Prestiges. Man - I would love to CAP a Redondo.
Just need some confirmation from BA's owners!
How does your BA 98 weighs????
I've just bought one trusting that the lower weight would have helped me to better manage the stick!
Mine weighs 350gr strung (on the website the specs talks fo 315gr unstrung and twe says 332gr strung) and with overgrip and pacific antidumper I get 358gr...I'm definitely disapponted with it!!!!
Just to compare...mine Redondo mid with overgrip and antidumper weighs 354gr...
Did you buy a second hand one? Probably it has been customized by the previous owner. Check if they added silicone gel into the handle or some lead under the grommets for example.
All my BA98s weigh 315 grams unstrung in stock condition.
Yes it is a second hand one but the guy ensured me that no customization have been done on the racquet.
I took the shells off and as you can see no silicone gel into the handle.
and does anyone knows what is that think inside of the handle
That really seems silicone gel with some lead strips to me. My Redondo MP has the same implementation. So it has been customized definetely by a previous owner because the BA98 doesn't come with any silicone or lead in stock condition.
Gee, that's standard PK stuff, not customized by previous owner. I have seen this in many PK rackets, brand new, including my Redondo. This is to keep balance (and weight?) "close to spec".
Iceinbangkok has gotten two brand new BA93 and together we checked the stock, unstrung weight. They were 326 and 324, I think, and the unstrung balance was like 9-10 pts., something like that.
I removed one racket's pallet to change the grip size and we saw the same lead and silicone under the pallet. Moreover, there were some silicone in one of the racket's hollow end. And this is stock, brand new ...
that's means that those racquets are heavier than official specs as well......is so I'll sell the BA...I was looking for something less on weight side...
Thanks for your feedback. I didn't know PK implemented silicone into the BA version as my BA98s don't contain that stuff and they are according the official weight and balance specs (315 gr. and 9pts HL).
BTW I much prefer my Redondo MP over my BA98 because it feels so much more solid. Recently I bought another (second hand) Redondo MP that is about 6 grams heavier than my other Redondo.
is that with the grip tape removed?
My handle doesn't have that cutout...
I have an epic Redondo moment to report !
as everyone knows what happens when you hit the ball flat ON the sweetspot how it explodes off the frame . well i hit a return of serve HARD directly on the sweet spot , guy picked up the ball and said you popped the ball ! we were playing doubles and we stopped to check it out , sure enough the ball was popped ! everyone commented on the sound coming off my racquet , nothing like it !!
That's when you remove the pallet, not just the grip material.
The pallet is the part which gives a racket's grip size and shape. The pallet is on the the "raw racket frame" as shown in the pic.
So, from the the outter-most layer is the grip (leather or synthetic), then the pallet, and then the "raw racket" frame".
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