**** #1 Redondo Talks Thread ****

anirut

Legend
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To say the Redondo mid lacks power is a huge understatement! ...

You're right. As the hitter you don't feel it. Be at the receiving end and it's different. I've tasted my own poison and then only I knew it.

TW ... PLEASEEEEE ... bring back the mid ...
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
I didn't know that they dropped the mid. The TW page talks about the Black Ace in the Heritage section but the Black Ace isn't there either.
 

Mac33

Professional
Have a tournament coming up and I have no clue what frame to use.

My Yonex RD-7 was not performing today!

Great power but I was dumping so many balls with it into the net....like I usually do on my off days with it.

Tomorrow I'm going to try out my old Yonex 93 RDiS mid for the umpteenth time.

For absolute pure control - the Redondo MP strung with Cylone is probably as good as it gets.

The dwell time I get with this combo can only be matched by my Prince Tour 100 / Cylone combo.

I do get a bit more offensive power with the Redondo especially on put away shots - the Prince Tour hits a pretty loopy ball.

On my best day - I feel I play my best with the Yonex RD-7.....due to the sheer power it offers.

On my worst day - I feel I play my best with the Redondo MP.....due to the extra control.
 

Jadom

New User
Regretfully after 8 weeks off from tennis with the worst case of tennis elbow I've ever had, my two Rendondo Midplus racquets are up for grabs on a certain big auction site. I enjoyed playing with them for 3 months, but have decided they are too demanding for me and I'm going back to my trusty ProKennex 7G's that seem to best for my arm.
 

djNEiGht

Legend
Sorry to hear @Jadom

I have x2 4 5/8 and x1 4 1/2. I pref the 4 1/2 due to the more HL balance. The other two are more head heavy and they are more challenging to swing. I tried to make similar balance but it got too heavy
 

Sander001

Hall of Fame
Got a couple of 98's to continue experimentation with. Kevlar mains, Poly cross strung 18x10, skipping every other cross. The spin is absolutely insane and the launch angle is crazy too but I became accustomed to it after only a couple of minutes. Going back to a normal racquet is much, much more difficult. Control is fine when going flat from the 18 mains.
Comfort is a huge issue and a lot of weight has to be added to the bumper, 3+9 and the throat.

I'll add pics later. It's not pretty.
 

Jadom

New User
Somehow the stiffer ProKennex 7G feels better on my arm than the more flexible Redondo. Maybe those kinetic particles actually do work! In my first hit back after 8 weeks off, I hit for 10 minutes with a 7G and 5 minutes with Rendondo 98 and could feel the shock transferring to my still sensitive elbow much more with the Redondo. Both racquets were strung at the same tension (51 lbs) with soft strings.
 

Mac33

Professional
Tested the Redondo MP against the PK Q Tour 325 a few days ago. Both strung with Cyclone at 48.

These two frames are 100 percent identical when you overlay them! String pattern is the same too.

They come from the same mold. Bumper guards identical as well. Everything identical yet....they play different!


Different as in they have a completely different power level.

Redondo MP - I rate it low to mid low powered. Redondo 93 Mid - is extremely low powered.

98 Q Tour 325g - I rate it off the charts powerful - as in the most powerful players frame out there.

Believe it gets its power from the tremendous spring of the frame. Different type of carbon i believe. Hard to explain or describe the feel till you test it.

TW Rated this frame at something like 73 for power while giving the Babolat Pure Drive Tour an 86 rating.

I have this Babolat frame strung at the same 48 pound tension and its nowhere near as powerful as the Q Tour 325g.

Anyway,the Redondo MP is my second favourite frame of all time.

I'm very consistent with it - i feel very connected to where the ball is going - but again it lacks power!

When playing with the Redondo MP - I tend to grunt a lot playing my strokes - as I need to really swing at close to max RHS to get power. With the Q Tour 325g I do not grunt at all - and I am able to generate much more power!

In terms of softness of impact for a person with tennis elbow or some other arm / shoulder injury - I feel the Q Tour is by far the better choice.

Despite its 63 flex rating compared to the 56 of the Redondo MP - it plays a lot softer.

Lastly,I'm thinking of getting my Redondo MP restrung at a very low 35 pounds to add some pop to it.
 

Simplicius

Semi-Pro
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Is there any possibility to find a (new or little used) ProKennex Heritage Type C 98 Redondo MP in Europe at this time?
Sorry if this is already answered - I'm just strating to read the thread and 82 pgs need some ...days!
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
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Is there any possibility to find a (new or little used) ProKennex Heritage Type C 98 Redondo MP in Europe at this time?
Sorry if this is already answered - I'm just strating to read the thread and 82 pgs need some ...days!

I see them in the Strings Forum from time to time.
 

speedysteve

Legend
I am happily revisiting my Redondo MP at the moment. I've been on arm care duties for a year and a half now with Prince EXO3 tour 100's, 16x18 full bed of gut, most recently Klip Legend at 55/50lbs. The heavier the better for me so currently at 367g, 7-8pts head light :)
Whilst very easy on my arm and enough power to return anything as long as I time it ;) the 16 x 18 pattern is a bit lively and a challenge to be consistent with, esp with nat gut..
So I dusted off my Redondo MP and gave it a blast. I added some lead to 3 9 and 12 and get excellent pop on all shots inc serve, the extra control from 18x20 pattern is very evident and very welcome. Enjoyable hitting with the coach and playing games, although I lost overall..
I enjoyed playing with it so much I bought a Prince EXO3 tour 100 18x20 to compare. Will be strung the same so let see.
 

Simplicius

Semi-Pro
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Is there any possibility to find a (new or little used) ProKennex Heritage Type C 98 Redondo MP in Europe at this time?

Just got it! And almost brand new!
Only the original leather grip is missing.
Looking forward to test it on Saturday!
So, you can add me into your club!
I wish to be a good choice.
I've read too many good comments about it.
:cool:
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
What an amazing thread that started in 2006 and is now over 82 pages long. I bought one of these before (mp) but had a rattle inside that I couldn't fix but looking to try again for testing purposes and comparisons with other similar sticks. Would be interesting to see how the Redondo plays compared to the latest offerings from PK (Q Tour 325 plus), obviously it should be more flexible with its 57 RA.
 

Simplicius

Semi-Pro
Finally I played with Redondo C 98 yesterday.

What a wonderful racquet it is!!!!!!!
Best racquet I've ever hit with; and a have hit with many.

It's exactly what I’m looking for.
A better IG Prestige MP version.
The same super-stability (against big hitters) of my “ex” IGPMP, but with a lot better comfort and “feel”.

Maybe the only racquet I'd ever have and does not need any customization.
It plays so fine in the stock form.

So, another one happy owner!!!
I’m gonna keep it for ever.
Tnx PK!!!

PS: Btw, car polish wax in a spray reduces the rubber stickiness a lot…
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Finally I played with Redondo C 98 yesterday.

What a wonderful racquet it is!!!!!!!
Best racquet I've ever hit with; and a have hit with many.

It's exactly what I’m looking for.
A better IG Prestige MP version.
The same super-stability (against big hitters) of my “ex” IGPMP, but with a lot better comfort and “feel”.

So, another one happy owner!!!
I’m gonna keep it for ever.
Tnx PK!!!

PS: Btw, car polish wax in a spray reduces the rubber stickiness a lot…

I'd recommend stocking up.
 

Mac33

Professional
I got my 98 Redondo strung with max thickness MSV Focus Hex at 47 pounds - the identical tension and string to my PK Q Tour 325g.

Had them both strung with Cyclone before.

The Q Tour plays much better as in more control with the MSV string.

The Redondo doesn't seem to be any better. It does feel a lot softer on contact than the Cyclone.

Q Tour 325 offers so much more free power than the Redondo with a bigger sweet spot.

Still love my Redondo 98 - the feel is so much different to any other frame.
 

Bogdan_TT

Hall of Fame
I got my 98 Redondo strung with max thickness MSV Focus Hex at 47 pounds - the identical tension and string to my PK Q Tour 325g.

Had them both strung with Cyclone before.

The Q Tour plays much better as in more control with the MSV string.

The Redondo doesn't seem to be any better. It does feel a lot softer on contact than the Cyclone.

Q Tour 325 offers so much more free power than the Redondo with a bigger sweet spot.

Still love my Redondo 98 - the feel is so much different to any other frame.
MSV F H ftw!
 

sbaniak

Rookie
Hey Redondoids. I got my hands on a Redondo MP and am somewhat perplexed. Mine weighs 354gr, which seems more or less on spec... but the balance is just about even. Is that "normal" for Prokennex to be that far off on the balance point? I peeked under the guard thinking maybe some hidden lead was up there - but no, though the 354gr weight would imply that there couldn't be enough added to change the balance that much anyway. Plow is great, but it feels really cumbersome and clubby like a heavy Blade.
 

sbaniak

Rookie
No, it's way tooooooo much to be a QC problem...
Maybe something is injected inside the hoop.
Foam, silicone, who knows...

I was thinking that too... Especially given Anirut's Super-Redondo cookbook on here.. But the static weight is not really high enough for that to make sense either. The weights pretty much on spec.
 

djNEiGht

Legend
bummer

That is the same with 2 of my MP. I added weight to get the balance to another one that I like but just too heavy for this weekend warrior now...
 

speedysteve

Legend
I posted in the PK appreciation thread by mistake.

Better here.

Reading about the Redondo exploits above and having slightly itchy feet over my Prince EXO3 tour 100's I got my 98 Redondo out again for an airing today.
It's now strung with a Klip Legend natural gut mains and a slick Prince Synth of some description in the crosses. It plays quite like gut/poly but that's for another thread..
Crossing from the 18 x 20 Prince EXO3 tour to the Redondo is a doddle. All my racquets are weighted and balanced to be very similar. They also need 'some' overgrips as I like a big grip. 4 7/8 or even 5 if you measure palm and finger or want a bit of a gap between fingers and thumb.
From the 16 x 18 EXO3 you have to adjust for a lot lower launch angle :)

I really enjoyed the Redondo today. I like the clomp it gives the ball off both wings.
The control gives me confidence in topspin backhands that I find I sometimes lack when things get tight with the 16 x 18 pattern. See thread on how not to choke away a match :)
I did have a bit too much lead on the hoop.
I now have 3g at 9 and 3 o'clock. Had 4 or 6g at 12 o'clock but I just don't need it and it was impeding my swing I felt.
I'm still reassuringly head light.

Def. Gonna have more time with the redoubtable Redondo.
 
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anirut

Legend
Hello guys!

Great to see this thread still going strong. I haven't visited TT in quite a long while.

Anyway, does anyone know where can I get a new Redondo Mid (93), regardless of grip size. (I can always change the pallet for the right size.)
 

PMChambers

Hall of Fame
Hello guys!

Great to see this thread still going strong. I haven't visited TT in quite a long while.

Anyway, does anyone know where can I get a new Redondo Mid (93), regardless of grip size. (I can always change the pallet for the right size.)

You'll need an army of knights for this quest for the Holy Grail.

I gave a Mint condition 4 1/2 to Connors reincarnation, he's loving it so no go there.

Seriously your going to struggle for new. Europe probably best bet as ProKennex supply issues where not as bad thrre, but thought they used the Black Ace instead. you should be able to snag a Mint 93, some people bought and could not handle.
 

yokied

Hall of Fame
Some guys here have moved from the 98 to the 93, and their input on volleys is probably more useful than mine, since I have never played with the Redondo 93 and am using my Copper Ace 90 as a (possibly inaccurate) substitute for the Redondo 93.

I'm routinely playing redondo mids and am looking at picking up a Copper Ace 90 for a trip down memory lane (it was my first serious racquet). Do you have any idea about the composition of the Copper Ace 90, flex etc? I know they're mostly 16x19 but that's about it.
 

Mac33

Professional
The thing I like the most like / hate about my Redondo 98 - it teaches / forces me to throw the kitchen sink at the ball.

If I don't swing close to absolute maximum racquet head speed the thing is pretty dead and I end up on the back foot.

One match I played with it a few years ago, I lost the first set with it 0-6 making very few UE.

In the second set I had nothing to lose and really,really swung out hard and ended losing a close one 5-7.

Has anyone tried the Redondo 98 with Luxillon Big Banger Alu Power? Reckon it would be a sick combo!
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
Maybe TW should do a generational comparison and review of the Redondo and all Q Tour's that came after. Currently I am testing the current Q Tour Plus 325 and like it very much, especially with the control feel and comfort department. It's one of my favourite racquets right now.
 

Mac33

Professional
As I understand - the old Q Tour and the new Q Tour Plus are the same sticks with a different paint job.

My favourite frame at the moment is the Prince O3 Silver 118

Followed by my Q Tour 325

Followed by my Redondo 98

All are strung with the same 1.27mm MSV Focus Hex

I have come to the conclusion that were I to go back back to using MP frames - then I will add a lot of weight to the upper hoop to significantly improve power and the size of the sweet spot.

The Prince oversize unlike many OS frames feels solid. It's a lot more head heavy than the other OS I've tried.

It does not feel that light despite its weight.

Were I to fall below my expectations in the next tournament,then a 400g Q Tour here we come.
 
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mmille24

New User
I used to play with the 7G but I felt very disconnected from the ball. I had a hard time executing drops and lobs. From the baseline, it's great, but I had a really hard time flattening shots with it. Everything too loopy. I also had the Q-Tour for a while. too much power for me and I felt disconnected from the ball.

Anyone prefer the Redondo C to the Q-Tour 325 or 7G? I've never hit with it. My racquet of choice is currently the Youtek Head Speed Pro (Djok/Non-Graphene). Not sure where to go from here...
 

PMChambers

Hall of Fame
I used to play with the 7G but I felt very disconnected from the ball. I had a hard time executing drops and lobs. From the baseline, it's great, but I had a really hard time flattening shots with it. Everything too loopy. I also had the Q-Tour for a while. too much power for me and I felt disconnected from the ball.

Anyone prefer the Redondo C to the Q-Tour 325 or 7G? I've never hit with it. My racquet of choice is currently the Youtek Head Speed Pro (Djok/Non-Graphene). Not sure where to go from here...

Hi, I'm a little bit loathed to comment as feel it is very subjective. I played with the Redondo 98 for about 3 years, and have 2 R98 and had 1 R93 which I gave away. Currently hitting with a RF97A so kind of a different beast but I'm not overly racquet bound. And have a Q-Tour which I never gelled with.

Simply put I found the Q-Tour erratic across the face, Too powerful in the centre and fast drop off towards 3 & 9. I could not consistently generate enough topspin to control the centre and if hit low towards 3 or 9 got flat dead ball. I lent the racquet to a mate who's a very flat hitter and hit hit very consistent with decent power so probably just my erratic contract point as I hit a lot more topspin. Some people love the racquet, but I guess they play a very flat game, maybe Eastern grip and hit through the ball more than myself.

The Redondo 98 plays pretty much like it's specs. It has no magic powers, just a large head 1990's sort of construction stick. It is very low power due to thin box beam and high flex RA57 compared to modern stick. The racquet can generate good spin for a 18x20 because the low power allows high racquet head speed but nothing compared to a RF97 of more open string pattern. Serve wise you do lose out in the power game, but again because of the low power you can get a solid amount of brush or slice going so I found reverse kick, kick and slice some of the most consistent, I found it a great 2nd serving racquet as it was very consistent and I had good faith in it. Lose 1st serve power gain a on 2nd serve power with consistency. The racquet is control orientated even for it's large head size. Slice is consistent, topspin is low but consistent, power again is low. The racquet is fast considering it's weight 343g being 10pt HL , it's one of the better volley racquets in 95-100" head size. It's not a good as a more powerful racquet like RF97 on the high volleys but you get a lot more control on the lower volleys and can kill the pace on the ball much more easily. Hard to say if this is good or not, if you go to net a lot and expect volleys around knees and half volleys it's great but if you only go to net on the easy put away high volleys probably not so. Maybe I'd consider you can do more with the R98 at net than most sticks, play short, punch long, etc.

The main issue with the R98 is it requires a bit of lead at the head to get it going. Not a lot as it's a stable racquet and has OK plow but add some mass either at 12 OC for increase SW or 3 & 9 for additional torsional stability and SW and it's a much better racquet. Torsional stability is very good. Most people who dump the R98 do so because the low power. I did it because I just wanted a new toy, I kept my R98's and maybe make them my play racquet again, however, I'm still liking the RF97 except for harshness and can get more power and spin with the RF97, it's much more of a baseline bashing and serving racquet. Not sure if I like one over the other, they are different but both decent.

If I was you I'd look for a 2nd hand R98 and trial it. It's not likely to suit you in a standard configuration so get some lead. I don't know if on purpose or not but it's kind of a control platform racquet that needs some lead to increase the SW from it's 324. I currently hit with RF97 which is SW 335 and keep a 5g PSE with SW 345 in the bag of night comp where I have to hit flatter and shorten the swing. Not only do they have higher SW but they have more rigid frame and D frame shape. Once the R98 gets it's SW up similarly to these it's a much more control orientated racquet and much softer on the arm but will never get the power or spin of RF97. The 5g PSE is brutal if you can get the racquet head speed up, which is hard at 365g.

Regarding weight the RF97 is 357g the 5g PSE 365g the R98 is 342g, but you will likely get the R98 but to around 350g range to get the power needed.

PS: Some rave about the R93, but it is a true serve and volley control and touch frame. The only thing it does better than the R98 is volley and flat 1st serves. They are rare now, people who love them keep them so the buy, try and sell markets gone.
 

Simplicius

Semi-Pro
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My PK Redondo C98 is FS in Europe Only section now, if anyone are inderested...
The racquet is actually in a brand new condition.
Just the leather grip have been replaced with a new synthetic, for weight reduction.
I decided to give it because I move from 18x20 pattern...
;)
 

letstakeourshirtsoff

Professional
hi guys!
I got interested in the PK Redondo MP recently. Before I pull the trigger on one of these frames I'd like to ask a couple questions though. Please forgive my ignorance on the subject, I tried to gather as much information as possible, but due to contradicting information on certain matters I'd like to ask you guys as you seem to be the #1 Redondo experts on the net:

1) What's the actual headsize of the PK Redondo MP? The frame says it's 98 sq. inch, but I have read it's actually a bit smaller than that.
2) How do grip sizes compare to Wilson? Thing is, I'm at the absolute upper limit with a 4 3/8 on my Wilsons.
3) What's inside the handle? foam? silicone? empty?
4) Do I lose the ability to play like fedr if I switch from Wilson? (js joking:D)

thanks in advance guys!

happy hitting
 

djNEiGht

Legend
1) IIRC it is a very similar head size to my Prestige MP racquets which both might actually be smaller than an actual 98. It's not by much though and if you are playing with these line of racquets then you should do quiet well with it.
2) I don't recall but over all I think it is a more round shape than square/rectangle. I used to play with a 4 5/8 and it was larger than my Volkl/Boris Becker in the same size
3) empty
4) I didn't loose the ability ;)

1) What's the actual headsize of the PK Redondo MP? The frame says it's 98 sq. inch, but I have read it's actually a bit smaller than that.
2) How do grip sizes compare to Wilson? Thing is, I'm at the absolute upper limit with a 4 3/8 on my Wilsons.
3) What's inside the handle? foam? silicone? empty?
4) Do I lose the ability to play like fedr if I switch from Wilson? (js joking:D)

thanks in advance guys!

happy hitting
 

Simplicius

Semi-Pro
1) What's the actual headsize of the PK Redondo MP? The frame says it's 98 sq. inch, but I have read it's actually a bit smaller than that.
2) How do grip sizes compare to Wilson? Thing is, I'm at the absolute upper limit with a 4 3/8 on my Wilsons.
3) What's inside the handle? foam? silicone? empty?
4) Do I lose the ability to play like fedr if I switch from Wilson? (js joking:D)

1) 95 sqi, similar to Prestige 98
Edit: Redondo has a similar head size to Prestige MP, as large or small as you think!

2) The shape is rectangle like Head TK82 pallets. These pallets feel one size bigger to me.
But you can change them easily with TK82S pallets (Wilson shape & size).

3) Dunno...

4) Possibly yes... (not joking here). It's a low power racquet, so a demanding one...

:cool:
 
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Mac33

Professional
My PK Redondo feels like it's a 98.

My Solinco Pro 10 98 is clearly smaller in size than the Redondo MP.

The PK Q Tour is identical in size and shape to the Redondo MP - it obviously comes off the same mold.
 
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