100 Greatest of All Time - who goes up, who goes down on the list?

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What do you guys think? When the TV series was hosted in March 2012 there were 10 active players on the list:

1. Federer
6. Nadal
14. Serena
22. Venus
40. Djokovic
45. Clijsters (retired)
63. Hewitt
71. Sharapova
92. Kuznetsova
94. Roddick (retired)

3 years have passed and a lot has changed since the list came out back then. How would it look like now? Is there anyone who'd join it, f.e. Wawrinka or Murray?
 
Venus is too high; I don't like mixing men with women. Obviously Novak is underrated; I see him currently easily in Top 10. With no disrespect to anyone playing before I was born; My Greats, in order, Fed, Sampras, Nadal, Borg, Novak, Lendl, Connors, Agassi, Johnny Mac, Wilander. (What happened to American Tennis? I have 4 in my Top 10)
 
Agreed that mixing men and women was dumb in the first place but it is what it is.

I wonder where Serena should stand now. IMO her winning another 10 Slams in this pathetic era means absolutely nothing but with 21 Slams (and surely more) she should probably be at no 4 now.

Nadal overtakes Sampras (but since Serena is 4th) Nadal keeps his 6th place and it looks like he won't go higher unless he grabs another 2 Slams which looks unlikely at the moment.

Djokovic stands at no 11 behind Evert. and will probably crack the top 10 with another 3-5 Slams to his name.
 
tennis_pro said:
I wonder where Serena should stand now. IMO her winning another 10 Slams in this pathetic era means absolutely nothing but with 21 Slams (and surely more) she should probably be at no 4 now.

Nadal overtakes Sampras (but since Serena is 4th) Nadal keeps his 6th place.

Djokovic stands at no 11 behind Evert.
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You think Djokovic should be considered the 11th greatest ever player amongst all women and men?! I'm a big fan of the guy but that's just stupid. :eek:
 
tennis_pro said:
What do you guys think? When the TV series was hosted in March 2012 there were 10 active players on the list:

1. Federer
6. Nadal
14. Serena
22. Venus
40. Djokovic
45. Clijsters (retired)
63. Hewitt
71. Sharapova
92. Kuznetsova
94. Roddick (retired)

3 years have passed and a lot has changed since the list came out back then. How would it look like now? Is there anyone who'd join it, f.e. Wawrinka or Murray?
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We should separate the two genders.

-Federer remains at #1 but have distanced himself further from Sampras, Borg, etc.
-Nadal either moves ahead of Sampras or remains at #4. I think most fans have him ahead of Sampras, but barely.
-Of all the active players, Nole made the biggest jump. From #24 to the top 10, Nole can be place between 5-10.
-Murray should make the list now, and unfortunately Chang, he has to be remove. I would put Murray somewhere at #37, above or below Hewitt.
-Serena move ahead of King, and arguably ahead of Chris, Martina and Court. But this debate will never end since many knowledgeable historians have not forgotten the staggering dominance by the other 3 players during their heyday.
-Sharapova also moves up quite a bit. After adding 2 more slams, one can argue for her moving from #29 up to #14, right behind Hingis.
-Other players you've listed haven't done much since 2012, so not much to comment on them.

GREATEST FEMALE TENNIS PLAYERS(Published in 2012)

1 Steffi Graf*
2 Martina Navratilova*
3 Margaret Court*
4 Chris Evert*
5 Billy Jean King*
6 Serena Williams*
7 Monica Seles*
8 Venus Williams*
9 Suzanne Lenglen*
10 Justine Henin*
11 Maureen Connolly*
12 Helen Wills Moody*
13 Matina Hingis*
14 Evonne Goolagong*
15 Maria Bueno*
16 Althea Gibson*
17 Lindsay Davenport*
18 Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario*
19 Kim Clijsters*
20 Doris Hart*
21 Tracy Austin*
22 Jennifer Capriati*
23 Alice Marble*
24 Margaret Osborne duPont*
25 Virginia Wade*
26 Hana Mandlikova*
27 Helen Hull Jacobs*
28 Louise Brough Clapp*
29 Maria Sharapova*
30 Pauline Betz Addie*
31 Molla Mallory*
32 Ashly Cooper*
33 Gabriela Sabatini*
34 Mary Piece*
35 Amelie Mauresmo*
36 Dorothea Lambert Chambers*
37 Shirley Fry-Irvin*
38 Svetlana Kuznetsova*
39 Ann Haydon-Jones*




GREATEST MALE TENNIS PLAYERS

1 Roger Federer
2 Rod Laver
3 Pete Sampras
4 Rafael Nadal
5 Bjorn Borg
6 Don Budge
7 Andre Agassi
8 John McEnroe
9 Jimmy Connors
10 Bill Tilden
11 Roy Emerson
12 Ivan Lendl
13 Ken Rosewall
14 Boris Becker
15 Fred Perry
16 Stefan Edberg
17 Arthur Ashe
18 John Newcombe
19 Lew Hoad
20 Mats Wilander
21 Jack Kramer
22 Pancho Gonzales
23 Rene Lacoste
24 Novak Djokovic
25 Guillermo Vilas
26 Jim Courier
27 Henri Cochet
28 Jean Borotha
29 Frank Sedgman
30 Ilie Nastase
31 Tony Trabert
32 Jack Crawford
33 Manuel Santana
34 Guga Kuerten
35 Stan Smith
36 Neale Fraser
37 Lleyton Hewitt
38 Ellsworth Vines
39 Pancho Segura
40 Bobby Riggs
41 Fred Stolle
42 Patrick Rafter
43 Gottfried Von Cramm
44 Jaroslave Drobny
45 Tony Roche
46 William Renshaw
47 Marat Safin
48 Vic Seixas
49 Yevgeny Kafelnikov
50 Jan Kodes
51 Norman Brookes
52 Yannick Noah
53 Tony Wilding
54 Bill Johnston
55 Nicola Pietrangeli
56 Andy Roddick
57 Thomas Muster
58 Manuel Orantes
59 Pat Cash
60 Henry Austin
61 Michael Chang
 
tennis_pro said:
What do you guys think? When the TV series was hosted in March 2012 there were 10 active players on the list:

1. Federer
6. Nadal
14. Serena
22. Venus
40. Djokovic
45. Clijsters (retired)
63. Hewitt
71. Sharapova
92. Kuznetsova
94. Roddick (retired)

3 years have passed and a lot has changed since the list came out back then. How would it look like now? Is there anyone who'd join it, f.e. Wawrinka or Murray?
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1.Serena (by far)
2.Federer
3.Nadal
4.Djokovic
5.Venus
6.Sharapova
7.Hewitt
8.Clijsters
9.Kuznetsova
10.Roddick
 
TMF said:
We should separate the two genders.

-Federer remains at #1 but have distanced himself further from Sampras, Borg, etc.
-Nadal either moves ahead of Sampras or remains at #4. I think most fans have him ahead of Sampras, but barely.
-Of all the active players, Nole made the biggest jump. From #24 to the top 10, Nole can be place between 5-10.
-Murray should make the list now, and unfortunately Chang, he has to be remove. I would put Murray somewhere at #37, above or below Hewitt.
-Serena move ahead of King, and arguably ahead of Chris, Martina and Court. But this debate will never end since many knowledgeable historians have not forgotten the staggering dominance by the other 3 players during their heyday.
-Sharapova also moves up quite a bit. After adding 2 more slams, one can argue for her moving from #29 up to #14, right behind Hingis.
-Other players you've listed haven't done much since 2012, so not much to comment on them.

GREATEST FEMALE TENNIS PLAYERS(Published in 2012)

1 Steffi Graf*
2 Martina Navratilova*
3 Margaret Court*
4 Chris Evert*
5 Billy Jean King*
6 Serena Williams*
7 Monica Seles*
8 Venus Williams*
9 Suzanne Lenglen*
10 Justine Henin*
11 Maureen Connolly*
12 Helen Wills Moody*
13 Matina Hingis*
14 Evonne Goolagong*
15 Maria Bueno*
16 Althea Gibson*
17 Lindsay Davenport*
18 Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario*
19 Kim Clijsters*
20 Doris Hart*
21 Tracy Austin*
22 Jennifer Capriati*
23 Alice Marble*
24 Margaret Osborne duPont*
25 Virginia Wade*
26 Hana Mandlikova*
27 Helen Hull Jacobs*
28 Louise Brough Clapp*
29 Maria Sharapova*
30 Pauline Betz Addie*
31 Molla Mallory*
32 Ashly Cooper*
33 Gabriela Sabatini*
34 Mary Piece*
35 Amelie Mauresmo*
36 Dorothea Lambert Chambers*
37 Shirley Fry-Irvin*
38 Svetlana Kuznetsova*
39 Ann Haydon-Jones*




GREATEST MALE TENNIS PLAYERS

1 Roger Federer
2 Rod Laver
3 Pete Sampras
4 Rafael Nadal
5 Bjorn Borg
6 Don Budge
7 Andre Agassi
8 John McEnroe
9 Jimmy Connors
10 Bill Tilden
11 Roy Emerson
12 Ivan Lendl
13 Ken Rosewall
14 Boris Becker
15 Fred Perry
16 Stefan Edberg
17 Arthur Ashe
18 John Newcombe
19 Lew Hoad
20 Mats Wilander
21 Jack Kramer
22 Pancho Gonzales
23 Rene Lacoste
24 Novak Djokovic
25 Guillermo Vilas
26 Jim Courier
27 Henri Cochet
28 Jean Borotha
29 Frank Sedgman
30 Ilie Nastase
31 Tony Trabert
32 Jack Crawford
33 Manuel Santana
34 Guga Kuerten
35 Stan Smith
36 Neale Fraser
37 Lleyton Hewitt
38 Ellsworth Vines
39 Pancho Segura
40 Bobby Riggs
41 Fred Stolle
42 Patrick Rafter
43 Gottfried Von Cramm
44 Jaroslave Drobny
45 Tony Roche
46 William Renshaw
47 Marat Safin
48 Vic Seixas
49 Yevgeny Kafelnikov
50 Jan Kodes
51 Norman Brookes
52 Yannick Noah
53 Tony Wilding
54 Bill Johnston
55 Nicola Pietrangeli
56 Andy Roddick
57 Thomas Muster
58 Manuel Orantes
59 Pat Cash
60 Henry Austin
61 Michael Chang
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Any list that has so many players ahead of Pancho Gonzales is not one that should be taken seriously.
 
I am guessing Serena would be ranked by them as the #1 female or #2 female behind Graf now. If she wins the U.S Open almost certainly #1 female.

I am guessing Nadal would be ranked as either the #3 male behind Federer and Laver, or even the #2 male behind Federer by them today.

I am guessing Djokovic would be ranked only behind Federer, Laver, Nadal, Sampras, and maybe Borg by them today (perhaps even over Borg).

Whether these rankings are right or not would be irrelevant. All these players would gain from the same recency bias that placed Federer at his undeserving #1 spot ahead of people like Laver and Graf.
 
tennis_pro said:
Agreed that mixing men and women was dumb in the first place but it is what it is.

I wonder where Serena should stand now. IMO her winning another 10 Slams in this pathetic era means absolutely nothing but with 21 Slams (and surely more) she should probably be at no 4 now.

Nadal overtakes Sampras (but since Serena is 4th) Nadal keeps his 6th place and it looks like he won't go higher unless he grabs another 2 Slams which looks unlikely at the moment.


Djokovic stands at no 11 behind Evert. and will probably crack the top 10 with another 3-5 Slams to his name.
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This is so dumb.
 
tennis_pro said:
I wonder where Serena should stand now. IMO her winning another 10 Slams in this pathetic era means absolutely nothing .
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You are obviously unaware what the typical competition levels in womens tennis is like if you think Serena's current competition is pathetic compared to what Graf or Navratilova frequently faced. Or Court at the Australian Open, which is a whole other level. Or Chris Evert on clay, where she won 10 of her 18 slams.
 
uscwang said:
By the time Novak calls it a career, very few, if any at all, male players will be ranked ahead of him by any measure.
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Federer >> Djokovic.

And it's always going to be that way.
 
mattosgrant said:
Probably not if Djokovic reaches 16-18 slams given what his other stats are shaping up to be like. That is a big if though, but if the up and comers continue to suck dont count out anything.
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I don't see Djokovic winning more than 14 GS titles.

These people saying he can play at the top for 6 more years aren't factoring into the equation that Novak relies on his legs more than anybody not named Rafa. Once they give out, he won't be a dominant force anymore.
 
tennis_pro said:
What do you guys think? When the TV series was hosted in March 2012 there were 10 active players on the list:

1. Federer
6. Nadal
14. Serena
22. Venus
40. Djokovic
45. Clijsters (retired)
63. Hewitt
71. Sharapova
92. Kuznetsova
94. Roddick (retired)

3 years have passed and a lot has changed since the list came out back then. How would it look like now? Is there anyone who'd join it, f.e. Wawrinka or Murray?
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Federer would be in the top 3 all time - you can argue where. I still think Nadal at number 6 is about right. (I'd have, in no particular order Laver, Federer, Gonzales, Tilden, Rosewall ahead of Nadal).
 
Sabratha said:
I don't see Djokovic winning more than 14 GS titles.

These people saying he can play at the top for 6 more years aren't factoring into the equation that Novak relies on his legs more than anybody not named Rafa. Once they give out, he won't be a dominant force anymore.
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I think Djokovic is a more offensive baseliner than given credit for.

Another factor in is he has improved his serve so much. It was very good except 2009 and 2010, but it is now turning into a large weapon, much more than even before. That will help him as he ages and loses speed.

The main though is it my lack of confidence in the others than my overconfidence in Djokovic, that is making me think anything is possible. I dont expect the Raonic-Nishiki-Dmitrov generation to win hardly any, if any, slams. So we look to the generation after that who likely wont be winning slams until 2018 at the earliest. Then it depends if they are that good or not, although I do think that group is more talented than the abysmal Raonic generation.
 
timnz said:
Federer would be in the top 3 all time - you can argue where. I still think Nadal at number 6 is about right. (I'd have, in no particular order Laver, Federer, Gonzales, Tilden, Rosewall ahead of Nadal).
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I would have Nadal behind Laver, Gonzales, Federer, and Sampras (probably in that order, but with a big gap between the first 3 and Sampras). I would definitely not put Rosewall above Nadal. Not sure on Tilden, hard to judge someone from that long ago. So probably 5th.
 
mattosgrant said:
I think Djokovic is a more offensive baseliner than given credit for.

Another factor in is he has improved his serve so much. It was very good except 2009 and 2010, but it is now turning into a large weapon, much more than even before. That will help him as he ages and loses speed.

The main though is it my lack of confidence in the others than my overconfidence in Djokovic, that is making me think anything is possible. I dont expect the Raonic-Nishiki-Dmitrov generation to win hardly any, if any, slams. So we look to the generation after that who likely wont be winning slams until 2018 at the earliest. Then it depends if they are that good or not, although I do think that group is more talented than the abysmal Raonic generation.
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I don't think Novak is offensive enough to remain dominant without his footspeed. Yes, he has a good serve, but that alone won't win him GS tournaments.


Nishikori has taken Novak out at the US Open. If he can do it, so can Raonic, Dimitrov, ect. He just isn't THAT good, and I've been arguing this sentiment for a long time. I agree with people who say Novak is an ATG and perhaps one of the best to ever play the game, but he is not THE best.. that distinction goes to Laver.
 
I agree that Laver is the GOAT. However most believe it is Federer due to the recency factor. Djokovic could even end up perceived wrongfully as the GOAT, not even deserving to be over Federer, again due to the recency factor. Federer's last dominance was in 2007, and the last time he was briefly the best really was late 2009. Djokovic is fresher in peoples minds, possibly being top dog into the 2nd half of the decade.

I cant see Raonic ever beating Djokovic in a slam. No way. Dmitrov maybe if he gets his sh1t together before its too late (which I badly want but wont hold my breath on). Nishikori maybe.
 
TMF said:
We should separate the two genders.

-Federer remains at #1 but have distanced himself further from Sampras, Borg, etc.
-Nadal either moves ahead of Sampras or remains at #4. I think most fans have him ahead of Sampras, but barely.
-Of all the active players, Nole made the biggest jump. From #24 to the top 10, Nole can be place between 5-10.
-Murray should make the list now, and unfortunately Chang, he has to be remove. I would put Murray somewhere at #37, above or below Hewitt.
-Serena move ahead of King, and arguably ahead of Chris, Martina and Court. But this debate will never end since many knowledgeable historians have not forgotten the staggering dominance by the other 3 players during their heyday.
-Sharapova also moves up quite a bit. After adding 2 more slams, one can argue for her moving from #29 up to #14, right behind Hingis.
-Other players you've listed haven't done much since 2012, so not much to comment on them.

GREATEST FEMALE TENNIS PLAYERS(Published in 2012)

1 Steffi Graf*
2 Martina Navratilova*
3 Margaret Court*
4 Chris Evert*
5 Billy Jean King*
6 Serena Williams*
7 Monica Seles*
8 Venus Williams*
9 Suzanne Lenglen*
10 Justine Henin*
11 Maureen Connolly*
12 Helen Wills Moody*
13 Matina Hingis*
14 Evonne Goolagong*
15 Maria Bueno*
16 Althea Gibson*
17 Lindsay Davenport*
18 Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario*
19 Kim Clijsters*
20 Doris Hart*
21 Tracy Austin*
22 Jennifer Capriati*
23 Alice Marble*
24 Margaret Osborne duPont*
25 Virginia Wade*
26 Hana Mandlikova*
27 Helen Hull Jacobs*
28 Louise Brough Clapp*
29 Maria Sharapova*
30 Pauline Betz Addie*
31 Molla Mallory*
32 Ashly Cooper*
33 Gabriela Sabatini*
34 Mary Piece*
35 Amelie Mauresmo*
36 Dorothea Lambert Chambers*
37 Shirley Fry-Irvin*
38 Svetlana Kuznetsova*
39 Ann Haydon-Jones*




GREATEST MALE TENNIS PLAYERS

1 Roger Federer
2 Rod Laver
3 Pete Sampras
4 Rafael Nadal
5 Bjorn Borg
6 Don Budge
7 Andre Agassi
8 John McEnroe
9 Jimmy Connors
10 Bill Tilden
11 Roy Emerson
12 Ivan Lendl
13 Ken Rosewall
14 Boris Becker
15 Fred Perry
16 Stefan Edberg
17 Arthur Ashe
18 John Newcombe
19 Lew Hoad
20 Mats Wilander
21 Jack Kramer
22 Pancho Gonzales
23 Rene Lacoste
24 Novak Djokovic
25 Guillermo Vilas
26 Jim Courier
27 Henri Cochet
28 Jean Borotha
29 Frank Sedgman
30 Ilie Nastase
31 Tony Trabert
32 Jack Crawford
33 Manuel Santana
34 Guga Kuerten
35 Stan Smith
36 Neale Fraser
37 Lleyton Hewitt
38 Ellsworth Vines
39 Pancho Segura
40 Bobby Riggs
41 Fred Stolle
42 Patrick Rafter
43 Gottfried Von Cramm
44 Jaroslave Drobny
45 Tony Roche
46 William Renshaw
47 Marat Safin
48 Vic Seixas
49 Yevgeny Kafelnikov
50 Jan Kodes
51 Norman Brookes
52 Yannick Noah
53 Tony Wilding
54 Bill Johnston
55 Nicola Pietrangeli
56 Andy Roddick
57 Thomas Muster
58 Manuel Orantes
59 Pat Cash
60 Henry Austin
61 Michael Chang
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That is a TERRIBLE list for the men's side. Just the fact that Pancho is #22 all time (When he has a legit claim to GOAT-hood) makes it laughable. Rosewall being at #13 is also laughable. Hes a GOAT candidate as well.

And Bill Tilden at #10? Really? Did those idiots even look at Tilden's resume?
 
Yes Pancho at #22 and Emerson at #11 proves the list is hogwash and means nothing anyway. These obviously arent real tennis experts, as no true tennis expert would have Pancho outside the top 5.
 
mattosgrant said:
I agree that Laver is the GOAT. However most believe it is Federer due to the recency factor. Djokovic could even end up perceived wrongfully as the GOAT, not even deserving to be over Federer, again due to the recency factor. Federer's last dominance was in 2007, and the last time he was briefly the best really was late 2009. Djokovic is fresher in peoples minds, possibly being top dog into the 2nd half of the decade.

I cant see Raonic ever beating Djokovic in a slam. No way. Dmitrov maybe if he gets his sh1t together before its too late (which I badly want but wont hold my breath on). Nishikori maybe.
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But knowing how good Federer was and looking back on and knowing that Laver was better sets in motion the idea that Djokovic doesn't carry the same aura and doesn't seem as good as these two.. In regard to Federer V Djokovic, I'm not talking about the H2H. I'm merely talking about accomplishments.

Some younger fans tend to think that Djokovic is better, most likely because this is the very first time they've witnessed a truly dominant player in the game -- and were likely introduced into the game during the late Fedal rivalry and the start of the Djokovic - Murray one.

But I've seen Sampras and Federer at their best , and they were simply a cut above Djokovic so far..
 
Sampras vs Djokovic is really a case of fast vs slow though. Sampras is clearly above in both achievements in playing level on faster courts (and probably always will be), and Djokovic clearly on all slower courts (both clay and slow hard courts without question, and even todays slowed indoor courts he would be better on, while Sampras better on the old carpet indoor conditions).
 
You also have medium paced Hardcourts as well in which I would give Pete the nod over Djoker. To be honest, if the conditions weren't what they were today (primarily slow surfaces), Nole would have all kinds of trouble..
 
90's Clay said:
You also have medium paced Hardcourts as well in which I would give Pete the nod over Djoker. To be honest, if the conditions weren't what they were today (primarily slow surfaces), Nole would have all kinds of trouble..
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Surely even you can't deny that Nole would at least be favoured over Pete on clay?
 
at the Australian Open too. No debate at all. Djokovic has 5 titles with very tough competition there. Sampras only had tough competition at that event when Agassi was in gear, which was hardly any of the 90s. Heck he didnt even play it until 1995, and made 2 semi finals there in the 90s (95 when he won, 96 when he lost in straight sets to Chang when Sampras was already long gone from the draw).
 
90's Clay said:
As far as active players go I Don't know how anyone is ahead of Serena in terms of career achievement. Federer and Nadal sure as hell aren't
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Agreed--they are not; Serena left them in the dust last year, and continued to build on that. Meanwhile, Federer is no #1 of any list without the Grand Slam; as it is clear, he did not have the ability to reach that master's level of tennis.
 
THUNDERVOLLEY said:
Meanwhile, Federer is no #1 of any list without the Grand Slam; as it is clear, he did not have the ability to reach that master's level of tennis.
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Well the people who compiled that list obviously don't agree with you. And with respect, they know far more about the game than you do.
 
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Rating Vines and Riggs so low and comparatively putting Perry so high betrays a level of bias unfortunately.

Murray I would put in the mid 50s maybe just below Stan Smith.

Wawrinka, I have a hard time trying to justify his place beyond 2 slams. Without them his career looks that of a perpetual top 20 player and the careers of players like Àlex Corretja and even Emilio Sánchez put him to shame. I mean at the moment Wawrinka's career matches up with someone like Gaudio in terms of consistency, if Gaudio won another slam would you put him in the same contention as Năstase or Kafelnikov?
 
Celebrated history is real; random lists that change directions like the wind is something else. It is no better than referencing cable channels, or Wikipedia.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Well the people who compiled that list obviously don't agree with you. And with respect, they know far more about the game than you do.
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In all honesty that Emerson is rated 11 mens spots above Gonzales, and Gonzales is rated 22nd highest man, makes me question exactly what kind of "experts" they chose to compile that list. Surely you agree no credible expert would rate Gonzales outside the top 5. Bud Collins, John McEnroe, John Barrett, Fred Stolle, Don Maskell (if he were alive), Martina Navratilova just to give some examples never would rate him anything lower than top 5, and many of those call him the best ever. Rating him below Emerson, a great player but the one time total sham slam record holder, is a flat out insult. Let alone by a considerable margin.

They also dont even list these "experts" which makes the source highly suspect.
 
That list is biased towards slams and only slams. It doesn't take into account the context a true historian should have on past era's. Emerson wouldn't rank higher than a guy like Jim Courier for me.
 
NatF said:
That list is biased towards slams and only slams. It doesn't take into account the context a true historian should have on past era's. Emerson wouldn't rank higher than a guy like Jim Courier for me.
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Graf, Navlatilova, Evert and Court all are above Fed in slam count, so why is Fed number 1? The only explanation is that the list is made by a total Fed fanboy.
 
AngryBirds said:
Graf, Navlatilova, Evert and Court all are above Fed in slam count, so why is Fed number 1? The only explanation is that the list is made by a total Fed fanboy.
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Or they just value men's achievements above women's...

Obviously on equal footing Graf, Navlatilova and Evert should be above - though not Court.
 
NatF said:
Or they just value men's achievements above women's...

Obviously on equal footing Graf, Navlatilova and Evert should be above - though not Court.
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Then Nadal and Sampras should be above them as well. Why is it that Fed with just 3 more slams than Sampras and Nadal gets to be number 1 in a list that include female players who are far above him in terms of total achievement?
 
AngryBirds said:
Then Nadal and Sampras should be above them as well. Why is it that Fed with just 3 more slams than Sampras and Nadal gets to be number 1 in a list that include female players who are far above him in terms of total achievement?
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Well Nadal was on 10-11 slams when this list came out. As for Sampras I think Federer took a lot of the shine off his achievements.

The list is garbage anyway you slice it. If that is your point you won't get any argument from me.
 
AngryBirds said:
Then Nadal and Sampras should be above them as well. Why is it that Fed with just 3 more slams than Sampras and Nadal gets to be number 1 in a list that include female players who are far above him in terms of total achievement?
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Because the mens and womens games are completely different and TBH should be 2 completely separate lists.

Any male on the top 100 GOAT list would completely destroy EVERY SINGLE TIME the best female (whoever you choose to pick).

Heck I'd venture to say any top 100 ATP ranked player at any point in time could beat the womens GOAT EVERY SINGLE TIME.
 
NatF said:
That list is biased towards slams and only slams. It doesn't take into account the context a true historian should have on past era's. Emerson wouldn't rank higher than a guy like Jim Courier for me.
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Definitely not. Courier was the best or second best player in the world for a good 3 years. Emerson was never better than about 4th best maybe.
 
mattosgrant said:
Definitely not. Courier was the best or second best player in the world for a good 3 years. Emerson was never better than about 4th best maybe.
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I feel the best way to rank players of that era is based on their years as the best player. Though I do consider the likes of Laver, Rosewall, Gonzalez and perhaps Tilden to have major tallies that are probably equivalent to the likes of Federer.

If not for the Grand Slam I would put Gonzalez above Laver.
 
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