12 reasons to avoid flu shot

dman72

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I'm not an anti-vaxer..the benefits of vaccines far out-weigh most of the dangers..but I still can't get my head around using Mercury in a substance being injected into a human body..in any amount. There has to be a safer way to preserve vaccines.
 

Raul_SJ

Legend
Over the past 20 years, I don't think I've ever had the flu. Maybe a few 24 hour colds. Never had a flu shot.

Yet, when I visited the Doctor's office, he immediately started pushing for the flu shot, without even inquiring about my history.

Do the medical guidelines say people like me need a vaccine?
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
Like clockwork, the moron parade begins every flu season. The list the OP presents is absurd. We won't deal with all of it, but for example the assertion that flu shots increase the risk of dementia was made years ago by a guy in South Carolina who lost his medical license; data published in the Canadian Medical Journal (2001) and elsewhere show that flu shots and other vaccinations are actually associated with a LOWER risk of dementia.
 

onehandbh

Legend
A bigger concern is the radiation you may get from microwaving your food.

The microwave length energy somehow converts to gamma rays and escapes through the microwave door.

Dat dayer is nachural nooz siens at wurk 4 u
 

v-verb

Hall of Fame
I'm not an anti-vaxer..the benefits of vaccines far out-weigh most of the dangers..but I still can't get my head around using Mercury in a substance being injected into a human body..in any amount. There has to be a safer way to preserve vaccines.
I thought thimerosol was removed from vaccines
 
Most of the anti vaccination stuff is BS and the risks are vastly overblown (albeit there always is a tiny risk) but I don't do a flu vaccination either. you can die from a flu but for most Young and healthy individuals it won't be that bad. if it was Holding Multi years I might do it but the strains are changing and you Need to do it every year and I'm to lazy for that.

not vaccinating against more serious diseases and especially contagious diseases if you are in a risk Group (say Hepatitis if you are a doctor) is downright irresponsible.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
Another example of the moron parade: the article the OP cites lists as one reason for not getting a flu shot evidence from the CDC that those who get the shot are just as likely to get treated for flu as those who do. The study cites just one year, 2014, when predictions of which strain to protect against were less successful and the shot was less clearly effective. That's not been the case in other years.
 

dman72

Hall of Fame
The "anti-vaxers are crackpots" knee jerkers still can't answer why thimer
I thought thimerosol was removed from vaccines
Nope. I still can't get my head around putting mercury into something and injecting it into your blood stream, especially children. Makes no sense. Still no answer to the question from the militant pro-vaxers who call anyone who questions a loony.

Again, I said that the benefits of vaccines far outweigh the risks...by why is Mercury intentionally added to anything?
 

HouTex

Rookie
Flu is serious business. Flu deaths each year (about 36,000) are just below breast cancer deaths (about 40,000). But it's mostly old people or very young people so it doesn't get the attention it deserves. Everyone should get a flu shot.

I don't think I've ever had the flu. One time I thought I had it--severe body aches, very high fever, etc. I went to the doctor and in 5 seconds he said it was just a bad cold. He said most people think they have the flu when it's usually just a cold. Nobody wants to say they have to miss work for a cold.
 

dman72

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Flu is serious business. Flu deaths each year (about 36,000) are just below breast cancer deaths (about 40,000). But it's mostly old people or very young people so it doesn't get the attention it deserves. Everyone should get a flu shot.

I don't think I've ever had the flu. One time I thought I had it--severe body aches, very high fever, etc. I went to the doctor and in 5 seconds he said it was just a bad cold. He said most people think they have the flu when it's usually just a cold. Nobody wants to say they have to miss work for a cold.
Yes flu is serious business. So is mercury, especially for young children and pregnant women.
 

Noveson

Hall of Fame
The "anti-vaxers are crackpots" knee jerkers still can't answer why thimer


Nope. I still can't get my head around putting mercury into something and injecting it into your blood stream, especially children. Makes no sense. Still no answer to the question from the militant pro-vaxers who call anyone who questions a loony.

Again, I said that the benefits of vaccines far outweigh the risks...by why is Mercury intentionally added to anything?
Yes flu is serious business. So is mercury, especially for young children and pregnant women.
:rolleyes: All you are doing is demonstrating why everyone thinks anti-vaxers are crackpots. Instead of 30 seconds of googling, you decide to spout a bunch of ******** acting like you know what you are talking about. Guess what! There's a very simple answer.

1. METHYL mercury is what people think of in regards to nervous system damage. Thiomerosal is an ethyl mercury compound, they are different. Thiomerosal has never been shown to be harmful at all.
2. If you did any research at all you'd realize almost no US flu vaccine doses even have Thiomerosal. It's only included in bottles with many doses as a preservative, not the individual doses. It ensures no bacteria grows. So if you still are worried about Thiomerosal, guess what! You wouldn't have taken a dose that had it anyway.
3. You know what's also especially harmful for young children and pregnant women!? The flu!!! Make sure they don't get vaccinated though, can't take that dose that doesn't even have the harmless compound Thiomersal!
 
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HouTex

Rookie
Yes flu is serious business. So is mercury, especially for young children and pregnant women.
Exactly. That's why I defer to the CDC for stuff like this. It recommends the flu shot. While I'm usually suspicious of what the government tells me, in this case I don't see a meaningful conflict of interest in the CDC's recommendation that healthy persons 6 and over be vaccinated.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Get the Flu shot. it is your obligation to do so. if you get sick, you will pass it on to others. Others that are weak like Old people or your loved ones that are sick and venerable. for these people getting the flu can kill them. so get the flu shot and you won't have to worry
 

clutch21

Rookie
Here is a prime example of why the anti-vaccine movement continues to live. This article was clearly written by an individual with no medical training. She asserts that vaccines have evidence accumulating against their efficacy, then goes on to interject her own misguided and false beliefs. Then ironically, her top 3 references are URLs to the same website, rather than actual studies. It really is quite sad and irresponsible, since many citizens can't tell this article apart from a legitimate scientific article backed with valid data. As a rule of thumb, if the website is not reputable, take everything said on it with a grain of salt.

From the perspective of a 4th year medical student, this topic is both frustrating and perplexing. I have not come across any treatment or preventative modality that has greater efficacy than vaccinations and colonoscopies. The medical literature and community is unanimously in favor of vaccinating, yet inexplicably, there are still individuals who are against it. How are we supposed to progress as a society when we can't even come together and agree on something so fundamentally beneficial in preventative health?
 

dman72

Hall of Fame
:rolleyes: All you are doing is demonstrating why everyone thinks anti-vaxers are crackpots. Instead of 30 seconds of googling, you decide to spout a bunch of ******** acting like you know what you are talking about. Guess what! There's a very simple answer.

1. METHYL mercury is what people think of in regards to nervous system damage. Thiomerosal is an ethyl mercury compound, they are different. Thiomerosal has never been shown to be harmful at all.
2. If you did any research at all you'd realize almost no US flu vaccine doses even have Thiomerosal. It's only included in bottles with many doses as a preservative, not the individual doses. It ensures no bacteria grows. So if you still are worried about Thiomerosal, guess what! You wouldn't have taken a dose that had it anyway.
3. You know what's also especially harmful for young children and pregnant women!? The flu!!! Make sure they don't get vaccinated though, can't take that dose that doesn't even have the harmless compound Thiomersal!
Actually, I just had free flu shots at my workplace, and the questionaire asked if the respondent was allergic to Thimerasol. So, I didn't take the free shot. So yes, it is still used in multi does vaccines.

BTW, my kids get all of their required vaccines, but not flu shots. I was a yes man on vaccines as well until one of my kids had a scary reaction after the DTAP vaccine where he passed out for about 6 hours in the middle of the day and wasn't himself for about 3 days. So yeah, I started questioning. There are risks to them.
 

Noveson

Hall of Fame
Actually, I just had free flu shots at my workplace, and the questionaire asked if the respondent was allergic to Thimerasol. So, I didn't take the free shot. So yes, it is still used in multi does vaccines.

BTW, my kids get all of their required vaccines, but not flu shots. I was a yes man on vaccines as well until one of my kids had a scary reaction after the DTAP vaccine where he passed out for about 6 hours in the middle of the day and wasn't himself for about 3 days. So yeah, I started questioning. There are risks to them.
Are you just going to ignore that it isn't dangerous at all, and isn't the mercury people typically think of? You just posted 3 posts of garbage where you were just plain wrong on the facts.
 

dman72

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Are you just going to ignore that it isn't dangerous at all, and isn't the mercury people typically think of? You just posted 3 posts of garbage where you were just plain wrong on the facts.

Where is the "it isn't dangerous" part proven, or are you just as militant in your beliefs that you aren't any different than the conspiracy theory anti-vaxxer? Yes, "garbage" that's what I posted.

What's garbage is your attitude, son.
 

dman72

Hall of Fame
Even the WHO hedges it's bets on Thomersal...read between the lines, they don't want people to stop vaccinating because of the obvious threat to health from communicable diseases..but they aren't saying that it is necessarily safe.

"On the basis of the foregoing, the GACVS concluded that the most recent pharmacokinetic and developmental studies do not support concerns over the safety of thiomersal (ethyl mercury) in vaccines. The Committee concluded, and advises accordingly, that there is no reason on grounds of safety to change current immunization practices with thiomersal-containing vaccines, as the risks are unproven. However, data for well-nourished neonates born at term cannot necessarily be extrapolated to preterm or malnourished infants. Studies on the latter group would be difficult to conduct, but the GACVS encourages further research.

The GACVS will continue to review the evidence, including any epidemiological data, that might emerge from on-going studies"
 

Noveson

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Where is the "it isn't dangerous" part proven, or are you just as militant in your beliefs that you aren't any different than the conspiracy theory anti-vaxxer? Yes, "garbage" that's what I posted.

What's garbage is your attitude, son.
Even the WHO hedges it's bets on Thomersal...read between the lines, they don't want people to stop vaccinating because of the obvious threat to health from communicable diseases..but they aren't saying that it is necessarily safe.

"On the basis of the foregoing, the GACVS concluded that the most recent pharmacokinetic and developmental studies do not support concerns over the safety of thiomersal (ethyl mercury) in vaccines. The Committee concluded, and advises accordingly, that there is no reason on grounds of safety to change current immunization practices with thiomersal-containing vaccines, as the risks are unproven. However, data for well-nourished neonates born at term cannot necessarily be extrapolated to preterm or malnourished infants. Studies on the latter group would be difficult to conduct, but the GACVS encourages further research.

The GACVS will continue to review the evidence, including any epidemiological data, that might emerge from on-going studies"
It's obvious you're going to believe whatever you want reglardless of the facts. The CDC didn't hedge anything.

HERE:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/pdf/cdcstudiesonvaccinesandautism.pdf

Study after study, all saying no neurological or other negative effects. But people like you will keep goign around going "there's mercury in flu shots!!!"
 

dman72

Hall of Fame
It's obvious you're going to believe whatever you want reglardless of the facts. The CDC didn't hedge anything.

HERE:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/pdf/cdcstudiesonvaccinesandautism.pdf

Study after study, all saying no neurological or other negative effects. But people like you will keep goign around going "there's mercury in flu shots!!!"
The study specifically addresses autism, and there IS mercury in flu shots. So, what I believe is that I don't think Thimerosol is completely safe, and the World Health Organization hesitates to say it is as well. I also understand the hesitancy of any medical organization to say that it is unsafe, because they fear the ramifications of people finding out it is unsafe are far more dangerous, which I actually agree with also. This called rational thought, not knee jerk foaming at the mouth rabid agenda driven spouting off.

Why don't you go get some thiomersal and chug-a-lug it to prove how harmless it is?

Did I happen to mention my kids have had all their shots? I'm not sure you managed to read that part while you were frothing at the mouth with self righteous indignation.....kid.
 

Noveson

Hall of Fame
The study specifically addresses autism, and there IS mercury in flu shots. So, what I believe is that I don't think Thimerosol is completely safe, and the World Health Organization hesitates to say it is as well. I also understand the hesitancy of any medical organization to say that it is unsafe, because they fear the ramifications of people finding out it is unsafe are far more dangerous, which I actually agree with also. This called rational thought, not knee jerk foaming at the mouth rabid agenda driven spouting off.

Why don't you go get some thiomersal and chug-a-lug it to prove how harmless it is?

Did I happen to mention my kids have had all their shots? I'm not sure you managed to read that part while you were frothing at the mouth with self righteous indignation.....kid.
Your kid comments, too funny. You realize all of the uproar about mercury is the neurological effects, right? Those studies are specifically about the neurological effects, as it says. None of them showed any effects. You saying "the study" shows you didn't even read the link. It was multiple studies, all showing no effects of Thimerosol. Do you have a study showing there IS negative effects of thimerosol? I thought not.
 

Mac33

Hall of Fame
Here are some vaccine quotes.

http://oawhealth.com/2015/04/01/vaccination-quotes-from-experts/

Eustace Mullins wrote a book Death by Injection - great read.

He's never seen a patient develop cancer who's never been vaccinated.

Then we have video of the former head researcher of Merck Maurice Hilleman - he goes on to explain how when testing the yellow fever vaccine he found SV 40 cancer viruses in it - from caged monkeys - then joked millions of Russians will come down with cancer after taking the vaccine.

 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
Eustace Mullins wrote a book Death by Injection - great read.

He's never seen a patient develop cancer who's never been vaccinated.
quite a learned fellow, that Mullins, since the first vaccine was developed about 200 years ago and descriptions of cancers go back to at least 3000 B.C. (the word "cancer" or "carcinoma" was said to first be used by Hippocrates, over 2000 years ago.). But as you suggested, Mullins only goes by what he's seen himself.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
I got the flu shot with my 81 year old mother today. We then went for ice cream. There in front of me eating her ice cream, was the reason I get the shot every year. She lives in a senior complex ... I can't even contemplate the guilt I would feel if I was responsible for bringing the flu into her place. I actually understand questioning or postponing established medical advice. We are in that situation with recommendations for her to start bone density meds, but we currently aren't convinced that is a good idea. But there is a huge difference between that type of choice and opting out of taking the flu vaccine. We are all in it together with the flu vaccine. If mom's on a weekly bus trip to Walmart ... and she runs into someone with the flu that has opted out of taking the vaccine, personal choice has major consequences for others. What is the school system to do with kids that didn't get the flu shot. Do they get to expose the rest?

We really aren't good at doing those things we have to do together ... and unfortunately the flu vaccine is one of those things.

btw ... has anyone had the norovirus? I truly thought I was going to die a couple of years ago. This was all at home, without a hospital visit. If there was a vaccine for this, I will be first in line.
 

v-verb

Hall of Fame
Actually, I just had free flu shots at my workplace, and the questionaire asked if the respondent was allergic to Thimerasol. So, I didn't take the free shot. So yes, it is still used in multi does vaccines.

BTW, my kids get all of their required vaccines, but not flu shots. I was a yes man on vaccines as well until one of my kids had a scary reaction after the DTAP vaccine where he passed out for about 6 hours in the middle of the day and wasn't himself for about 3 days. So yeah, I started questioning. There are risks to them.
Scary stuff - glad your child is ok but I would be extremely upset as well.

I really don't think Thimerosol (contains mercury) should be in vaccines. Period. I'm no expert however so I could be mistaken.

Just looked this up:

http://www.immunize.ca/en/publications-resources/contents.aspx

I really don't like this passage:

"Additives may be added to a vaccine to ensure it is kept pure and stable. Thimerosal, for example, is a preservative used in tiny amounts in multi-dose vials of influenza vaccines.

Note: Thimerosal is not used in pediatric vaccines routinely used in Canada, with the exception of the influenza vaccine."


All that said, I routinely had severe flu's that lasted up to a week and came close to passing on once or twice (lost over 10 lbs each time). Since I've taken the flu shots, I've had no issues.

I really don't like the thimerosol aspect of some of the shots however.
 

dman72

Hall of Fame
Scary stuff - glad your child is ok but I would be extremely upset as well.

I really don't think Thimerosol (contains mercury) should be in vaccines. Period. I'm no expert however so I could be mistaken.

Just looked this up:

http://www.immunize.ca/en/publications-resources/contents.aspx

I really don't like this passage:

"Additives may be added to a vaccine to ensure it is kept pure and stable. Thimerosal, for example, is a preservative used in tiny amounts in multi-dose vials of influenza vaccines.

Note: Thimerosal is not used in pediatric vaccines routinely used in Canada, with the exception of the influenza vaccine."


All that said, I routinely had severe flu's that lasted up to a week and came close to passing on once or twice (lost over 10 lbs each time). Since I've taken the flu shots, I've had no issues.

I really don't like the thimerosol aspect of some of the shots however.
Right, so you can look for a single dose.

Bottom line is the pharma companies should be looking for an alternative to an additive containing mercury...for all vaccines including the flu.

The stuff about some guy putting cancer viruses in vaccines posted above is what gives anti-vaxers their tin foil hat reputation.
 

v-verb

Hall of Fame
Right, so you can look for a single dose.

Bottom line is the pharma companies should be looking for an alternative to an additive containing mercury...for all vaccines including the flu.

The stuff about some guy putting cancer viruses in vaccines posted above is what gives anti-vaxers their tin foil hat reputation.
Well put and agreed
 
Anti-vaccination is dangerous anti-scientific thought. Please, whatever you do, don't listen to articles like this on the internet. Please read established scientific literature and your general practitioner (unless of course, they are a nut themselves).

Being against the vaccinations is like saying the moon landing never happened, with the added bonus of killing thousands of people every year.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
In 2014 55,000 died from the flu yet in the same year 225,000 died from medical mistakes.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/05/03/476636183/death-certificates-undercount-toll-of-medical-errors

I certainly dont trust most doctors and think they are in bed with big pharma. The big pharma rep gets to go right in while i have to wait. Something is really wrong with our healthcare for profit system and what better way to make money than to drug us every year with things that cause long term damage in the guise of short term savior....

Its possible to get the flu shot and not only get the flu, but pass it on to others. I often see people sneeze or cough without covering their mouths but there is no big shame program to deal with that. I would like to see some study of the vaccine vs. just not shaking hands during flu season

And which companies make the vaccine and who decides which vaccine makers are selected to supply the vaccines. Does the cdc board have any ties to those companies?? Etc

Moon landing was faked
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
In 2014 55,000 died from the flu yet in the same year 225,000 died from medical mistakes.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/05/03/476636183/death-certificates-undercount-toll-of-medical-errors

I certainly dont trust most doctors and think they are in bed with big pharma. The big pharma rep gets to go right in while i have to wait. Something is really wrong with our healthcare for profit system and what better way to make money than to drug us every year with things that cause long term damage in the guise of short term savior....

Its possible to get the flu shot and not only get the flu, but pass it on to others. I often see people sneeze or cough without covering their mouths but there is no big shame program to deal with that. I would like to see some study of the vaccine vs. just not shaking hands during flu season

And which companies make the vaccine and who decides which vaccine makers are selected to supply the vaccines. Does the cdc board have any ties to those companies?? Etc

Moon landing was faked
For profit healthcare ...what's not to like? :)

Like I keep repeating ... "I see dead systems ... they don't even know they are dead"

I don't like people getting rich off of my common good ... seems rude.
 

Mr.Lob

Legend
Get the Flu shot. it is your obligation to do so. if you get sick, you will pass it on to others. Others that are weak like Old people or your loved ones that are sick and venerable. for these people getting the flu can kill them. so get the flu shot and you won't have to worry
You've been brainwashed. The government uses flu shots to control the minds of its citizens. o_O
 

Mac33

Hall of Fame
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ollinger

G.O.A.T.
The financial motivation for doctors to vaccinate is huge.

Not about your health,its more about that extra nice holiday each year or an upgrade on my 'old' 4 year old SUV.


https://www.sott.net/article/329560-How-much-money-do-pediatricians-really-make-from-vaccines
1) that physicians get paid for their services in performing vaccinations is irrelevant to the issue of whether they should be given. Physicians are paid for removing your burst appendix; does that mean they're performing an unnecessary service?

2) how did you manage to read the article you reference and miss the most salient point. The article notes that Blue Cross reimburses doctors for vaccinating a certain percentage of their patients. WHY would Blue Cross want to spend money on that? Because they're so generous? Or because they've carefully reviewed the data and come to the conclusion the vaccinations will prevent other illnesses down the road that they'd rather not have to pay to treat?
 

Mac33

Hall of Fame
An extra potential income of 40K per year is strong motivation to get their patients vaccinated - whether the doc believes in them or not.

Yes, Blue Cross Blue Shield pays your doctor a $40,000 bonus for fully vaccinating 100 patients under the age of 2. If your doctor manages to fully vaccinate 200 patients, that bonus jumps to $80,000.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
An extra potential income of 40K per year is strong motivation to get their patients vaccinated - whether the doc believes in them or not.

Yes, Blue Cross Blue Shield pays your doctor a $40,000 bonus for fully vaccinating 100 patients under the age of 2. If your doctor manages to fully vaccinate 200 patients, that bonus jumps to $80,000
yes, we heard you the first time, but I'll ask again: why do you think Blue Cross, an organization that doesn't pay a nickel for anything unless they've thoroughly researched the issue and determined it will save them money later, is willing to pay doctors to vaccinate patients. Yes, because they have convincing evidence that it prevents future disease, and thus saves them money. So your doctor may be making some coin for his efforts and labors, not an unreasonable thing, but the evidence shows it's the best thing for the patient.
 

Soul

Semi-Pro
Most in my family get the flu shot every year. And every year they develop a nasty flu/cold at some point. There is always the idea mentioned that the flu could have been worse, or more flu/colds could have developed if they had not received the shot. It has been my observation in my family though that the flu shot hasn't been overly successful.

I've had good luck avoiding the development of flu/cold for around 10 years. What I've done to keep my immune system strong is eat healthy and obtain some sensible UV exposure year round. It has worked for me. I personally would only obtain a flu shot if it was required for work.

One doctor's sight that I check on from time to time is Dr. Suzanne Humphries. She became alarmed over the possibility that the flu shot was causing kidney problems for patients. At the hospital she worked at, flu shots are required for patients admitted. She mentioned that without a flu shot being given, billing could not be done.

Dr. Humphries ended up leaving the hospital over the inflexible policy due to her belief the shot was causing more harm than being reported. She writes some about her experience in this article:

Vaccination and Renal Patients: A critical examination of assumed safety and effectiveness. ~ Suzanne Humphries, MD

http://drsuzanne.net/2015/03/vaccination-and-renal-patients-a-critical-examination-of-assumed-safety-and-effectiveness-suzanne-humphries-md/

excerpt:

...I witnessed multiple patients who were stable for years with chronic kidney disease (CKD) deteriorate or relapse rapidly after the flu and/or pneumonia vaccines. Other doctors just assume that deterioration is what you expect in a person with chronic disease, so when they see it, they don’t connect it with a vaccine. Yet given how often it happens, if doctors asked questions about vaccines when renal patients suddenly and rapidly decline, and saw that it happens repeatedly, you would think that they would make the link. But they don’t. It is a mysteriously huge blind spot.


In the Winter of 2009, I treated multiple adult patients who required dialysis after receiving both seasonal and H1N1 vaccines and/or pneumonia vaccines. No other cause for their renal failure could be identified. Some patients stated that they became ill after their flu shot. Two of these patients died and one remained on dialysis.

On the other hand no patients were dialyzed, in my eleven years of service at this hospital, simply after a case of influenza. We can see patients develop renal failure during flu-like illnesses – but almost exclusively only if they are prescribed and take large doses of NSAID pain medicine(e.g., ibuprophen), Angiotensin-Converting Enzyme Inhibitors (blood pressure drugs), Angiotensin Receptor Blockers, and/or they were severely volume depleted (dehydrated).

When recently-vaccinated people present to the doctor with acute kidney failure, have not taken any other nephrotoxin, and have no other cause for the kidney failure, the vaccine must be seriously considered as having precipitated the problem. Yet physicians will go out of their way to deny the vaccine as culprit even after they fail to find any other underlying cause. They have no problem admitting that other drugs cause kidney disease, but seem to have a reflex to deny a vaccine as problematic. Could this be from the sound-bites they have heard over and over – about vaccines being safe?...
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Most in my family get the flu shot every year. And every year they develop a nasty flu/cold at some point. There is always the idea mentioned that the flu could have been worse, or more flu/colds could have developed if they had not received the shot. It has been my observation in my family though that the flu shot hasn't been overly successful.

I've had good luck avoiding the development of flu/cold for around 10 years. What I've done to keep my immune system strong is eat healthy and obtain some sensible UV exposure year round. It has worked for me. I personally would only obtain a flu shot if it was required for work.

One doctor's sight that I check on from time to time is Dr. Suzanne Humphries. She became alarmed over the possibility that the flu shot was causing kidney problems for patients. At the hospital she worked at, flu shots are required for patients admitted. She mentioned that without a flu shot being given, billing could not be done.

Dr. Humphries ended up leaving the hospital over the inflexible policy due to her belief the shot was causing more harm than being reported. She writes some about her experience in this article:

Vaccination and Renal Patients: A critical examination of assumed safety and effectiveness. ~ Suzanne Humphries, MD

http://drsuzanne.net/2015/03/vaccination-and-renal-patients-a-critical-examination-of-assumed-safety-and-effectiveness-suzanne-humphries-md/

excerpt:

...I witnessed multiple patients who were stable for years with chronic kidney disease (CKD) deteriorate or relapse rapidly after the flu and/or pneumonia vaccines. Other doctors just assume that deterioration is what you expect in a person with chronic disease, so when they see it, they don’t connect it with a vaccine. Yet given how often it happens, if doctors asked questions about vaccines when renal patients suddenly and rapidly decline, and saw that it happens repeatedly, you would think that they would make the link. But they don’t. It is a mysteriously huge blind spot.


In the Winter of 2009, I treated multiple adult patients who required dialysis after receiving both seasonal and H1N1 vaccines and/or pneumonia vaccines. No other cause for their renal failure could be identified. Some patients stated that they became ill after their flu shot. Two of these patients died and one remained on dialysis.

On the other hand no patients were dialyzed, in my eleven years of service at this hospital, simply after a case of influenza. We can see patients develop renal failure during flu-like illnesses – but almost exclusively only if they are prescribed and take large doses of NSAID pain medicine(e.g., ibuprophen), Angiotensin-Converting Enzyme Inhibitors (blood pressure drugs), Angiotensin Receptor Blockers, and/or they were severely volume depleted (dehydrated).

When recently-vaccinated people present to the doctor with acute kidney failure, have not taken any other nephrotoxin, and have no other cause for the kidney failure, the vaccine must be seriously considered as having precipitated the problem. Yet physicians will go out of their way to deny the vaccine as culprit even after they fail to find any other underlying cause. They have no problem admitting that other drugs cause kidney disease, but seem to have a reflex to deny a vaccine as problematic. Could this be from the sound-bites they have heard over and over – about vaccines being safe?...
The one time i got the shot i also got the flu so i am 0-1 and dont see the point especially with all the risks.

Great point about energizing the immune system.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
The one time i got the shot i also got the flu so i am 0-1 and dont see the point especially with all the risks.

Great point about energizing the immune system.
Get your damn shot :) ... what if my momma visited the Bay Area? You have a much bigger risk Nov 8th then you will ever have from a flu shot. While you are at it ... get that Kevlar treated ... maybe hair relaxer.

fyi ... this year's shot made my shoulder sore. Don't let them give you the shot in the right shoulder ... your 1hbh might dip below 100 mph.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Get your damn shot :) ... what if my momma visited the Bay Area? You have a much bigger risk Nov 8th then you will ever have from a flu shot. While you are at it ... get that Kevlar treated ... maybe hair relaxer.

fyi ... this year's shot made my shoulder sore. Don't let them give you the shot in the right shoulder ... your 1hbh might dip below 100 mph.
Same odds of your mom visiting as mine!

Great point about the right shoulder and not getting the shot there.

I bet that was why Hillary was sick a while back. Got her shot!
 

comeback

Hall of Fame
In 2014 55,000 died from the flu yet in the same year 225,000 died from medical mistakes.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/05/03/476636183/death-certificates-undercount-toll-of-medical-errors

I certainly dont trust most doctors and think they are in bed with big pharma. The big pharma rep gets to go right in while i have to wait. Something is really wrong with our healthcare for profit system and what better way to make money than to drug us every year with things that cause long term damage in the guise of short term savior....

Its possible to get the flu shot and not only get the flu, but pass it on to others. I often see people sneeze or cough without covering their mouths but there is no big shame program to deal with that. I would like to see some study of the vaccine vs. just not shaking hands during flu season

And which companies make the vaccine and who decides which vaccine makers are selected to supply the vaccines. Does the cdc board have any ties to those companies?? Etc

Moon landing was faked
Same here Shroud, been to some very reputable doctors all board certified etc but none has ever really helped me or my family..Recently started going the homeopathic route with all natural remedies..Much better than prescription drugs which cause long term side effects ..Usually these side effects cause problems much later in life when nobody especially the docs that said you need to take them for the rest of your life don't care anymore..My wife was on acid reflux medicine for 11 years and kept gaining weight..All her doctors just said to keep taking it which really messed her up...She doesn't overeat and got pretty heavy..A homeopathic doc weaned her off with natural stuff and the weight is now coming off thank God
 

Raul_SJ

Legend
Get the Flu shot. it is your obligation to do so. if you get sick, you will pass it on to others. Others that are weak like Old people or your loved ones that are sick and venerable. for these people getting the flu can kill them. so get the flu shot and you won't have to worry
I'm not opposed to flu vaccination but one would have to know an individual's history before advocating flu vaccination for everyone. Let's suppose you have a 40 year old man who has never had the flu. In that scenario, Doctor Ollinger post above says it is not necessary.
 

mmk

Hall of Fame
I'm not opposed to flu vaccination but one would have to know an individual's history before advocating flu vaccination for everyone. Let's suppose you have a 40 year old man who has never had the flu. In that scenario, Doctor Ollinger post above says it is not necessary.
And a mid-40s guy I play had never had the flu shot or the flu, until two weeks ago. A sample of one, admittedly.
 
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