Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by paul wu, Sep 10, 2018.
how many can djoker reach?
imagine if he didnt hire that guru.... :\
I think the guru fixed him and that is why he is back.
He would still be getting over "personal" issues even by now, otherwise
He was mentally drained after RG 2016, problem with motivation and personal/marital problems. After one year in the Pepe Imaz academy he was like new. Pepe fixed him big time. The man is magician.
Lol Pepe Imaz .
At this age everything changes so fast that it is difficult to predict. Hoenstly, I think Nadal could win Wimbledon and then the US Open, instead we have Djokovic lifting both.
Then, Djokovic can have a new dip in his tennis, and never won any other GS. Or just won at RG against Nadal, and then 3 more.... who knows
One thing I see, is that he seems to be enjoying himself, both on court, and in interviews. He seems happy doing what he doing.
Don't expect 4 in a row though. I think that was his downfall 2 years ago. People forget he had won 5/6 of the previous grand slam finals he played during 2015/2016. That was monumental. After RG, he came back like a soldier who saw the worst of it in Iraq. You don't come back the same from those tour of duties.
But, if he paces himself, enjoys himself, and remains healthy.....I see no reason why he couldn't add another 4 slams to his tally. I don't see any of the younger gen, or the lost gen, pushing through and doing anything of any significance. I see Fed bowing out in 2020, but on the decline. Rafa, if he remains injury free will be his major opponent. Murray too (although I am starting to think it's lights out for him).
He needed time away to rediscover his passion, and how much he enjoyed winning.
In all seriousness, he will be a major contender at all four slams next year at the very least - he is still very much in the slam race.
When it comes to RG I will put Nadal & probably even Thiem ahead until i see Djokovic on clay again, He’s 31 years old and will be 32 by next RG and he’s 6 majors behind Federer and we still don’t know if Federer could bring 1 more, I think Djokovic will have a lot of trouble catching Nadal(if he ever does) and Nadal will most likely add 1-2 more, I just can’t see how he can catch Federer , Winning only 3 slams from 2012-2014 was his main problem and losing two majors finals to Wawa in 2015-16 , He’s still the favorite at 3/4 majors maybe 2/4 and there are 2 HC majors , There’s a chance but very very small
I tend to agree with you. I think even peak Djoker will still struggle to beat Nadal in top form on clay. I can see a scenario where all three retire on or around 20 slams each.
Assuming no other ATG are joining the party next year
Hard to say at the moment. I will be very interested in the form he brings to start of next year. If he comes in all guns blazing at AO, he could jump up a few slams pretty quick.
I can see him winning all four-Aus is his tournament & it is nearly impossible for anybody to beat him there if he is fit & his head is right. Same thing with Wimbledon & with Murray done it is hard to see anybody beating him there. US he is probably second favourite behind Nadal if Rafa is fit. He is the only person who stands a shot at beating Rafa at RG-should have done it in 2013 but the death of this childhood coach was bothering him, beat an injured Nadal before losing to Stan in the final in 2015 before winning it in 2016. Really it all depends on how fit Rafa & Stan are with Fed & Murray done & if Thiem can push on to the next level, there sure as hell isn't anybody else out there knocking the door down to win slams.
Nadal was not injured at RG 2015. He was low on confidence.
I will disagree on the USO statement, at worst he is joint fav there. His incredible consistency in NYC cannot be denied. Only place I would put Nadal clearly ahead is RG.
He was recovering from Appendix removal at the end of 2014-he came back way too soon from that & didn't really recover his form until late 2016/early 2017. I would give Rafa the slight advantage at the US in a head to head match, but it is only slight.
Fair enough, I personally wouldn't. Not on these current courts, where wind is no longer a factor. The court is now playing the way the AO courts were pre-2017. And it seems many are still hung up on a match that happened over five years ago, that is a lifetime in tennis.
I was really looking forward to a Joker/Rafa final this year-even more so after their epic semi at Wimbledon-which really was the final. DP for me just doesn't have the conditioning/movement to give Joker the kind of fight Rafa does.
That can change again next year @Hitman . They can make them faster, if they choose too.
But they cannot get rid of the roof. I stated before that Djokovic will thrive in these windless conditions. Even he said he does prefer the wind is no longer impacting his play. What can hurt him is extreme humidity like we saw in the earlier matches.
I think he will pass nadal so at least 19, I think he may get to 20 so fed might have to win another couple to finish as GOAT!
I think 2019 is gonna be even better for Djokovic!
It is impossible to see barring serious injuries how he cannot go past 20 with so many years left & winning slams without even being at his peak level.
I agree it’s likely he could surpass fed! Fed knows he can’t retire yet!
it is hard to see Fed winning another one at his age-he got spanked by a journeyman in the US, got spanked at Wimbledon & doesn't look like beating Novak there, isn't going to win RG & likely will never enter it. His only hope is the Aussie-but with Joker coming back to near full peak it is hard to see Roger beating him there either.
Got spanked at Wimbledon? A match when he had a match point? Cool story!
Hold your horses with Djokovic - he may pass Nadal or he may not - he is not 25 anymore so take things calmly - tour is wide open right now and maybe a youngster can put a challenge next year
The youngsters other than Thiem don't have it yet. it is pretty much a Nadal/Joker monopoly with outside chances for Fed, Stan & Cilic to pick up the odd one here or here.
You can not be serious. 20 is 6 more slams, and 6 was 1/2 of Djokovic's slams 2 months ago. It's huge. With what happened these last years, you should know that things can change very very quickly in tennis.
I would give Djokovic 3 of 4 slams more, probably 2 next year and then 1 or 2 before he retires (in 4/5 years)
They can-but he has the advantage of Murray being done, Stan also struggling with injuries, Fed struggling & the new generation still not pushing through. He was on 12 back in June, now here we are three months later & he has 14 while only playing at 80-85% of his peak. I see him taking at least two next year, possibly all four.
17 and another 4 moral slams. Plus Cincy
He will not let chances like USO 2016 go again. He gave that slam away. No doubt, as he ages, he will have to battle more, but he will not hand them over like USO 2016, or Wimby 2013. He will take every chance he can get.
Novak was also struggling with injuries less than a year ago. And I bet you were not thinking about Djokovic winning possibly all four slams at this moment. That's whytI'm saying things change quickly and 6 more slams are exagerated.
The next gen will soon be grown up enough to win slams and Roger, Rafa, Andy and Stan are not over yet. My guess is Djokovic will end at 18 slams.
Murray is Finnish-that hip is never going to allow him to win slams. Really he is a victim of poor management from the Davis Cup fools who overused him, his own inability to put opponents away in three or four sets & not having the surgery after Wimbledon 2017 & taking a year off. Stan I can see potentially coming back to full strength-but probably not for a couple of years. Don't see anybody other than Thiem from the next gen being able to win a slam in the next few years. This is such a weak generation that the old guys who in the past were knocked off their perch by 30 odd are now still able to win in their mid-late 30's.
I don't think it is that simple. The older he gets, the lower his conversion rate could get too. Then again, who is to beat him in this field?
At the risk of being 100 percent wrong : what about Zverev? The fact that Lendl took the job makes me think we could see a Z breakthrough in the slams next year
All good points but anything can happen. No doubt Djoko is in the best position for the foreseeable future though
I feel as if he’ll finish with 16-17.
I don’t think he’s gonna catch Federer and Nadal will have his pet slam in RG. Djoker is not a guaranteed AO winner like before and Roger is not a guaranteed Wimbledon winner like before. Rafa is always going to be the favorite for RG and is always going to win.
Novak is definitely not finished raking in slams but it’s surely his last chapter in his illustrious career, along with Nadal. Roger’s book is ending 2020 Basel.
I won't guess what his final count might be, but it's worth noting that the AO is 4 months away and on a faster surface than Djokovic won all his other AO's on, except maybe 2008. Please note, I'm not saying he can't win it, I'm not even denying that he's probably the favourite now, but this is why it's hard to make up huge gaps in the slam count. It's the spacing of the slams. The way most people talk here it's like the AO starts tomorrow and Djoker's going in on this huge roll, but that might not be the case. And then there's another 4 months before RG, where Djokovic likely isn't even the favourite based on Nadal's history there. He scraped by Nadal at Wimbledon, too.
He'll win a few more, but none of them will be easy. Even when you don't lose a set, winning a slam is never easy.
After the Djoker victory in Wimbledon, I certain that in the number of GS titles surpass Sampras. The number on which it stops is hard to predict, but will in future celebrate profit the 15th GS title.
Guru didn't cause him to burn out. Killing himself to win every tourney in 2015-mid 2016 did that. Writing was on the wall watching him during the last third of that run. He was really really really showing signs of stress buildup. Quick to anger, ect. Same run caused the elbow injury. A dip was inevitable at the clip he was pushing. Gotta throttle back a bit.
Think he gets 16-18
If you want me to be conservative I would say about 23-24.
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