1920 to 1973 Men's Winners of "Open" GS Tournaments

BobbyOne

G.O.A.T.
Australian Open French Open Wimbledon US Open (sorry I could not make better scales)

1920 Tilden Tilden Tilden Tilden G.S.
1921 Tilden Tilden Tilden Tilden G.S.
1922 Tilden Johnston Tilden Tilden
1923 Tilden Tilden Johnston Tilden
1924 Tilden Tilden Tilden Tilden G.S.
1925 Tilden Lacoste Tilden Tilden
1926 Johnston Cochet Borotra Lacoste
1927 Tilden Lacoste Cochet Lacoste
1928 Lacoste Cochet Lacoste Cochet
1929 Cochet Lacoste Cochet Tilden
1930 Cochet Cochet Tilden Doeg
1931 Vines Cochet Tilden Tilden
1932 Tilden Cochet Vines Vines
1933 Crawford Crawford Crawford Perry
1934 Perry Nüsslein Perry Vines
1935 Crawford Perry Vines Vines
1936 Vines Nüsslein Vines Perry
1937 Budge Nüsslein Perry Vines
1938 Budge Nüsslein Budge Vines
1939 Budge Nüsslein Budge Budge

1940 Vines von Cramm Budge Budge
1941 Perry Perry Budge Budge
1942 Budge Budge Budge Budge G.S.
1943 Budge Riggs Budge Budge
1944 Riggs Riggs Budge Budge
1945 Budge Riggs Budge Riggs

1946 Kramer Riggs Budge Riggs
1947 Kramer Riggs Kramer Riggs
1948 Riggs Riggs Kramer Kramer
1949 Kramer Kramer Kramer Kramer G.S.

Second part to follow.

I chose the probable winners. Surprises and sensations not considered.

1940 to 1945 if there were no WW.
 
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krosero

Legend
So nice to see this Bobby, I was going to encourage you to post it.

So much to think about here.

At first sight I'm surprised to see Budge with a GS. Most of us, including myself, assume he would not have won his '38 Slam in a full field. But if you leave out the war, it certainly becomes possible. Vines would have been past his best, if he was even still playing, in '42. Perry injured his arm in early '42 and was past his best anyway. Budge would still have had to deal with Riggs who was by then in his prime.

Riggs was tougher than anyone Budge actually faced in '38. Riggs would have been tough to beat at the French, though on grass Budge certainly still had a large edge if we go by their US Pro final.

And I assume you're still picturing these events on the same surfaces they used historically: 3 on grass, 1 on clay.

It's hard for me even to think of years like 1942 without World War II. So much would have been different.
 

BobbyOne

G.O.A.T.
So nice to see this Bobby, I was going to encourage you to post it.

So much to think about here.

At first sight I'm surprised to see Budge with a GS. Most of us, including myself, assume he would not have won his '38 Slam in a full field. But if you leave out the war, it certainly becomes possible. Vines would have been past his best, if he was even still playing, in '42. Perry injured his arm in early '42 and was past his best anyway. Budge would still have had to deal with Riggs who was by then in his prime.

Riggs was tougher than anyone Budge actually faced in '38. Riggs would have been tough to beat at the French, though on grass Budge certainly still had a large edge if we go by their US Pro final.

And I assume you're still picturing these events on the same surfaces they used historically: 3 on grass, 1 on clay.

It's hard for me even to think of years like 1942 without World War II. So much would have been different.

krosero, Thanks for your appreciation of my compilation.

Yes, so much would have been different without that terrible war , and much more important issues than just tennis matters.

Yes, I considered the then actual surfaces.

Of course many events are replacable as f.i. Wimbledon and US Open were both on grass. Nobody knows if in 1938 Budge would have won Wimbledon and Vines Forest Hills or vice versa (in case we assume that Budge and Vines would have split these two tournaments which is of course not sure...).
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
krosero, Thanks for your appreciation of my compilation.

Yes, so much would have been different without that terrible war , and much more important issues than just tennis matters.

Yes, I considered the then actual surfaces.

Of course many events are replacable as f.i. Wimbledon and US Open were both on grass. Nobody knows if in 1938 Budge would have won Wimbledon and Vines Forest Hills or vice versa (in case we assume that Budge and Vines would have split these two tournaments which is of course not sure...).
I agree, when you consider what never did happen, nothing is sure.
 

krosero

Legend
krosero, Thanks for your appreciation of my compilation.

Yes, so much would have been different without that terrible war , and much more important issues than just tennis matters.

Yes, I considered the then actual surfaces.

Of course many events are replacable as f.i. Wimbledon and US Open were both on grass. Nobody knows if in 1938 Budge would have won Wimbledon and Vines Forest Hills or vice versa (in case we assume that Budge and Vines would have split these two tournaments which is of course not sure...).
Budge and Vines contesting Wimbledon and Forest Hills in 38 would have been epic, no other word for it. Borg and Mac 42 years early.
 
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70sHollywood

Guest
Australian Open French Open Wimbledon US Open (sorry I could not make better scales)

1920 Tilden Tilden Tilden Tilden G.S.
1921 Tilden Tilden Tilden Tilden G.S.
1922 Tilden Johnston Tilden Tilden
1923 Tilden Tilden Johnston Tilden
1924 Tilden Tilden Tilden Tilden G.S.
1925 Tilden Lacoste Tilden Tilden
1926 Johnston Cochet Borotra Lacoste
1927 Tilden Lacoste Cochet Lacoste
1928 Lacoste Cochet Lacoste Cochet
1929 Cochet Lacoste Cochet Tilden
1930 Cochet Cochet Tilden Doeg
1931 Vines Cochet Tilden Tilden
1932 Tilden Cochet Vines Vines
1933 Crawford Crawford Crawford Perry
1934 Perry Nüsslein Perry Vines
1935 Crawford Perry Vines Vines
1936 Vines Nüsslein Vines Perry
1937 Budge Nüsslein Perry Vines
1938 Budge Nüsslein Budge Vines
1939 Budge Nüsslein Budge Budge

1940 Vines von Cramm Budge Budge
1941 Perry Perry Budge Budge
1942 Budge Budge Budge Budge G.S.
1943 Budge Riggs Budge Budge
1944 Riggs Riggs Budge Budge
1945 Budge Riggs Budge Riggs

1946 Kramer Riggs Budge Riggs
1947 Kramer Riggs Kramer Riggs
1948 Riggs Riggs Kramer Kramer
1949 Kramer Kramer Kramer Kramer G.S.

Second part to follow.

I chose the probable winners. Surprises and sensations not considered.

1940 to 1945 if there were no WW.

Did you consider giving Nusslein anything for 1933?
What about Kozeluh? Or Richards?

I would be tempted to give Vines RG 35.
 

pc1

G.O.A.T.
Budge and Vines contesting Wimbledon and Forest Hills in 38 would have been epic, no other word for it. Borg and Mac 42 years early.
It would have been great in 1937 also. I wonder for pure power how many matches in majors would come close to this.
 

BobbyOne

G.O.A.T.
Did you consider giving Nusslein anything for 1933?
What about Kozeluh? Or Richards?

I would be tempted to give Vines RG 35.

70sHollywood. I don't understand Nüsslein anything for 1933.

Richards and K.Kozeluh were too weak.

Vines would be an option. Nüsslein was injured at Southport and had a tough five-setter SF at French Pro. He won at Strasbourg where Vines lost to Ramillon whom Nüsslein beat in final.
 
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timnz

Legend
Australian Open French Open Wimbledon US Open (sorry I could not make better scales)

1920 Tilden Tilden Tilden Tilden G.S.
1921 Tilden Tilden Tilden Tilden G.S.
1922 Tilden Johnston Tilden Tilden
1923 Tilden Tilden Johnston Tilden
1924 Tilden Tilden Tilden Tilden G.S.
1925 Tilden Lacoste Tilden Tilden
1926 Johnston Cochet Borotra Lacoste
1927 Tilden Lacoste Cochet Lacoste
1928 Lacoste Cochet Lacoste Cochet
1929 Cochet Lacoste Cochet Tilden
1930 Cochet Cochet Tilden Doeg
1931 Vines Cochet Tilden Tilden
1932 Tilden Cochet Vines Vines
1933 Crawford Crawford Crawford Perry
1934 Perry Nüsslein Perry Vines
1935 Crawford Perry Vines Vines
1936 Vines Nüsslein Vines Perry
1937 Budge Nüsslein Perry Vines
1938 Budge Nüsslein Budge Vines
1939 Budge Nüsslein Budge Budge

1940 Vines von Cramm Budge Budge
1941 Perry Perry Budge Budge
1942 Budge Budge Budge Budge G.S.
1943 Budge Riggs Budge Budge
1944 Riggs Riggs Budge Budge
1945 Budge Riggs Budge Riggs

1946 Kramer Riggs Budge Riggs
1947 Kramer Riggs Kramer Riggs
1948 Riggs Riggs Kramer Kramer
1949 Kramer Kramer Kramer Kramer G.S.

Second part to follow.

I chose the probable winners. Surprises and sensations not considered.

1940 to 1945 if there were no WW.
I have doubts about 1922 and 1923. In 1922 Johnson dominated Tilden 3 matches to 1. And in 1923 Johnson won 2 of the 3 ILTF World Championships. Seemed a bit that people ranking Tilden number 1 in 1922 or 1923 was a bit because of how well he did in 1921. Note: I am only saying that tenantively but I don't think that Tilden was dominating in the majors those years.
 

BobbyOne

G.O.A.T.
I have doubts about 1922 and 1923. In 1922 Johnson dominated Tilden 3 matches to 1. And in 1923 Johnson won 2 of the 3 ILTF World Championships. Seemed a bit that people ranking Tilden number 1 in 1922 or 1923 was a bit because of how well he did in 1921. Note: I am only saying that tenantively but I don't think that Tilden was dominating in the majors those years.

timnz, I understand your doubts. But Tilden used to lose to Johnston and Richards several times but usually he beats them in big matches. Tilden did not enter the 1923 ILTF championships but was great at the US Championships and in Davis Cup.

Please write Johnston. Wallace Johnson was another player.
 

timnz

Legend
timnz, I understand your doubts. But Tilden used to lose to Johnston and Richards several times but usually he beats them in big matches. Tilden did not enter the 1923 ILTF championships but was great at the US Championships and in Davis Cup.

Please write Johnston. Wallace Johnson was another player.
Oops sorry for the typo.
 
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70sHollywood

Guest
70sHollywood. I don't understand Nüsslein anything for 1933.

Richards and K.Kozeluh were too weak.

Vines would be an option. Nüsslein was injured at Southport and had a tough five-setter SF at French Pro. He won at Strasbourg where Vines lost to Ramillon whom Nüsslein beat in final.

I was just wondering, because wasn't Nusslein the Pro #1 in '33 and he won the World Pro (on clay). I would probably pick him for RG over Crawford.

The other 2 just to be clear I was talking about them overall, not 1933. I know you are a big fan of both Kozeluh and Nusslein.
 
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BobbyOne

G.O.A.T.
I was just wondering, because wasn't Nusslein the Pro #1 in '33 and he won the World Pro (on clay). I would probably pick him for RG over Crawford.

The other 2 just to be clear I was talking about them overall, not 1933. I know you are a big fan of both Kozeluh and Nusslein.

70sHollywood, Yes I'm a big fan of Nüsslein (was in contact with his widow for years) and a fan of K. Kozeluh but I'm aware of their limits.

Kozeluh was never a top 3 player in any year.

Nüsslein in 1933 won the world pro championship against veterans Tilden, Kozeluh and Najuch. Crawford won the French Championships clearly against strong competition including Cochet. I rank Nüsslein No.3 for 1933 behind Crawford and Perry. 1933 was not Nüsslein's peak year. He improved a bit later.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Australian Open French Open Wimbledon US Open (sorry I could not make better scales)

1920 Tilden Tilden Tilden Tilden G.S.
1921 Tilden Tilden Tilden Tilden G.S.
1922 Tilden Johnston Tilden Tilden
1923 Tilden Tilden Johnston Tilden
1924 Tilden Tilden Tilden Tilden G.S.
1925 Tilden Lacoste Tilden Tilden
1926 Johnston Cochet Borotra Lacoste
1927 Tilden Lacoste Cochet Lacoste
1928 Lacoste Cochet Lacoste Cochet
1929 Cochet Lacoste Cochet Tilden
1930 Cochet Cochet Tilden Doeg
1931 Vines Cochet Tilden Tilden
1932 Tilden Cochet Vines Vines
1933 Crawford Crawford Crawford Perry
1934 Perry Nüsslein Perry Vines
1935 Crawford Perry Vines Vines
1936 Vines Nüsslein Vines Perry
1937 Budge Nüsslein Perry Vines
1938 Budge Nüsslein Budge Vines
1939 Budge Nüsslein Budge Budge

1940 Vines von Cramm Budge Budge
1941 Perry Perry Budge Budge
1942 Budge Budge Budge Budge G.S.
1943 Budge Riggs Budge Budge
1944 Riggs Riggs Budge Budge
1945 Budge Riggs Budge Riggs

1946 Kramer Riggs Budge Riggs
1947 Kramer Riggs Kramer Riggs
1948 Riggs Riggs Kramer Kramer
1949 Kramer Kramer Kramer Kramer G.S.

Second part to follow.

I chose the probable winners. Surprises and sensations not considered.

1940 to 1945 if there were no WW.
Haha you did it!

No love for Frank Parker, Adrian Quist, John Bromwich, or Marcel Bernard? What would Parker have been like in an open era with proper training, etc.? Bromwich and Quist won Australia before and after the war, what might they have done? What might have Bernard done? Would Budge and Riggs have dominated if the Europeans had developed during this period?
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
"Kramer was undefeated in Davis Cup and won the U.S. Championships, in his book "The Game" page 50 he wrote "...I don't think I was mature enough to beat him (Budge) in '46." Kramer then thinks that Riggs and Budge were probably better than him in 1946." wiki
 

BobbyOne

G.O.A.T.
Haha you did it!

No love for Frank Parker, Adrian Quist, John Bromwich, or Marcel Bernard? What would Parker have been like in an open era with proper training, etc.? Bromwich and Quist won Australia before and after the war, what might they have done? What might have Bernard done? Would Budge and Riggs have dominated if the Europeans had developed during this period?

Meles, Thanks for your interest.

Parker, Bromwich etc. were excellent players but not on the same level with Budge and Riggs.

Parker was very strong in 1948/1949 when he won the French Championships. But after turning pro he lost to Frank Kovacs at the 1950 US Pro 0-6, 0-6, 1-6. The top pros just were better than the amateurs.

Bromwich and Quist won the Australian Championships with rather weak fields. But I admire Bromwich's kind of play.
 

timnz

Legend
Australian Open French Open Wimbledon US Open (sorry I could not make better scales)

1920 Tilden Tilden Tilden Tilden G.S.
1921 Tilden Tilden Tilden Tilden G.S.
1922 Tilden Johnston Tilden Tilden
1923 Tilden Tilden Johnston Tilden
1924 Tilden Tilden Tilden Tilden G.S.
1925 Tilden Lacoste Tilden Tilden
1926 Johnston Cochet Borotra Lacoste
1927 Tilden Lacoste Cochet Lacoste
1928 Lacoste Cochet Lacoste Cochet
1929 Cochet Lacoste Cochet Tilden
1930 Cochet Cochet Tilden Doeg
1931 Vines Cochet Tilden Tilden
1932 Tilden Cochet Vines Vines
1933 Crawford Crawford Crawford Perry
1934 Perry Nüsslein Perry Vines
1935 Crawford Perry Vines Vines
1936 Vines Nüsslein Vines Perry
1937 Budge Nüsslein Perry Vines
1938 Budge Nüsslein Budge Vines
1939 Budge Nüsslein Budge Budge

1940 Vines von Cramm Budge Budge
1941 Perry Perry Budge Budge
1942 Budge Budge Budge Budge G.S.
1943 Budge Riggs Budge Budge
1944 Riggs Riggs Budge Budge
1945 Budge Riggs Budge Riggs

1946 Kramer Riggs Budge Riggs
1947 Kramer Riggs Kramer Riggs
1948 Riggs Riggs Kramer Kramer
1949 Kramer Kramer Kramer Kramer G.S.

Second part to follow.

I chose the probable winners. Surprises and sensations not considered.

1940 to 1945 if there were no WW.
Interesting entries for Nusslein and Von Cramm at the 'French Open'. I agree with you - I think that Nusslein is very much under-rated.

Worth thinking about how Karel Koželuh would have done from the mid to late 20's. He was after all the Pro World Champion in that period. What impressed me was that he was competitive with Nusslein in the early 30's despite being 15 years older.
 

BobbyOne

G.O.A.T.
Interesting entries for Nusslein and Von Cramm at the 'French Open'. I agree with you - I think that Nusslein is very much under-rated.

Worth thinking about how Karel Koželuh would have done from the mid to late 20's. He was after all the Pro World Champion in that period. What impressed me was that he was competitive with Nusslein in the early 30's despite being 15 years older.

timnz, Thanks. Yes, Nüsslein is very much underrated. He arguably is the best claycourter of the 1930's. But he also gave Budge that great fight at Wembley in 1939 where he won as much games as peak Budge. Nüsslein also beat America's top amateur on grass in 1935.

Kozeluh was also great but probably slightly weaker even though he did so well against Nüsslein as late as 1932.

But he never reached the top level of Tilden, Cochet and Lacoste. Maybe he would have done better if he had fully concentrated to tennis. In reality he also played soccer and ice-hockey on a high level and switched often between the three sports. He came to prominence in tennis only at about 30 in 1925.
 

timnz

Legend
timnz, Thanks. Yes, Nüsslein is very much underrated. He arguably is the best claycourter of the 1930's. But he also gave Budge that great fight at Wembley in 1939 where he won as much games as peak Budge. Nüsslein also beat America's top amateur on grass in 1935.

Kozeluh was also great but probably slightly weaker even though he did so well against Nüsslein as late as 1932.

But he never reached the top level of Tilden, Cochet and Lacoste. Maybe he would have done better if he had fully concentrated to tennis. In reality he also played soccer and ice-hockey on a high level and switched often between the three sports. He came to prominence in tennis only at about 30 in 1925.
My thinking was...if he could beat Nusslein on clay being so much older - then in an earlier period of the mid to late 1920's he likely was quite a handful on clay. I believe he would have been quite a challenge to Cochet.
 
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