1966 Wimbledon final

Dan Lobb

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Santana in 1965 at Forest Hills, proving that he could play some on grass, and who is that ballet dancer winning the women's final against BJK?

 

Dan Lobb

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1966 was a legendary year in sports generally.

1966 NFL championship game, the most exciting ever,

(click on "Watch on Youtube")


1966 Grey Cup, the most talent ever in a CFL championship game,

 
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Dan Lobb

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Interview with 1966 World Cup hero Geoff Hurst, good view of the disputed goal.

Click on "Watch on Youtube"

 
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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
1966 was a legendary year in sports generally.

1966 Grey Cup, the most talent ever in a CFL championship game,

https:www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YsR1rDdy8E
There was a memorable documentary made of that 1966 Grey Cup, including some scenes of the losing semi-finalists and coach Bud Grant in his final season in the CFL before taking over the coaching of the Minnesota Vikings.

The half-time show featured the debut of the government-commissioned centennial song, played ad infinity during that year....it still rings in the ears.

 
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Dan Lobb

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There was a memorable documentary made of that 1966 Grey Cup, including some scenes of the losing semi-finalists and coach Bud Grant in his final season in the CFL before taking over the coaching of the Minnesota Vikings.

The half-time show featured the debut of the government-commissioned centennial song, played ad infinity during that year....it still rings in the ears.

https:www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2SqClytr-g
In 2016, the fiftieth anniversary reunion of that 1966 Grey Cup team reassembled to say goodbye to the old Taylor Field stadium in Regina. Good to see George Reed and other veterans of that championship squad.

https://regina.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=912864
 
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Dan Lobb

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Santana was great on clay, but actually had a losing lifetime H2H against Emerson on clay.

Here is the 1965 Italian final, which Mulligan won over Santana. Mulligan held a match point against Laver at RG in 1962, and here Mulligan shows the value of persistent moon-balling on clay. Maria Bueno wins the women's final over Nancy Richey.

 

Dan Lobb

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Santana was actually good on grass, gave Laver a close call at Wimbledon in 1962 (Santana was coached by Hoad at that time), beat Emerson in Davis Cup in Australia in 1965, and beat Newcombe in Davis Cup in Australia in 1967.

But Emerson leveled the count in that 1967 Davis Cup draw with this win,

 

WCT

Semi-Pro
1966 was a legendary year in sports generally.

1966 NFL championship game, the most exciting ever,

(click on "Watch on Youtube")


1966 Grey Cup, the most talent ever in a CFL championship game,


Not to nitpick, Dan, but it's the 1967 NFL title game that was really famous. The Ice Bowl. 1966 was also very good. Not talked about anything like 1967. More because of the weather than the game. It did have that great last drive, though.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Not to nitpick, Dan, but it's the 1967 NFL title game that was really famous. The Ice Bowl. 1966 was also very good. Not talked about anything like 1967. More because of the weather than the game. It did have that great last drive, though.
Agreed, the Ice Bowl (which I watched live on TV in colour when it was played) was more famous than the 1966 NFL Championship game, however, the 1966 game featured a wide open passing and offensive style, more touchdowns, and last second thrills comparable to the 1967 game. In 1967, both offenses stalled throughout most of the game, probably due to the horrible weather.

For pure entertainment, I prefer that 1966 Grey Cup game above, with many players in it capable of NFL play, but chose the CFL because of higher salaries.
The stars of that 1966 game had many NFL offers.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
1966 saw the final NBA championship for Red Auerbach with the Boston Celtics, led by Bill Russell, in another 7 game series against the Lakers, led by Jerry West and Elgin Baylor.

Our local guys won the NBA championship this year in a great post-season drive, so this resonates....I wonder how these 1966 players would fare against Kawai Leonard and the Raptors?

 

WCT

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Agreed, the Ice Bowl (which I watched live on TV in colour when it was played) was more famous than the 1966 NFL Championship game, however, the 1966 game featured a wide open passing and offensive style, more touchdowns, and last second thrills comparable to the 1967 game. In 1967, both offenses stalled throughout most of the game, probably due to the horrible weather.

For pure entertainment, I prefer that 1966 Grey Cup game above, with many players in it capable of NFL play, but chose the CFL because of higher salaries.
The stars of that 1966 game had many NFL offers.
Yep, the 66 games was a lot higher scoring. No doubt, 67 is so remembered because of the weather. And the Packers memorable last drive. However, it the historic game. The game they make documentaries about. At least one fan died at the game. Or from the weather at the game. That's how insanely cold it was.

Strange to see the phrase stayed in the CFL because of higher salaries. Shows how much things have changed. I started watching football in 1970 and can remember Johnny Rodgers and Joe Theismann choosing to start their careers in the CFL. Didn't happen too often, but it did happen.

As for how 1966 NBA players would fare against today's stars? Overall, I suspect not too well. Players like Jerry West? Oh, I think he'd do just fine, and then some. Never saw that video before. About 10 years ago, maybe more, NBATV did a show on this game. Had video from this same Celtic telecast, Sam Jones and Satch Sanders in studio, and ruined by having Jones and Sanders take up half the screen while the other half was the telecast. They were there to comment on the action. That was fine, but we didn't need to see them to hear their comments. The entire screen should have been the dame telecast.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Yep, the 66 games was a lot higher scoring. No doubt, 67 is so remembered because of the weather. And the Packers memorable last drive. However, it the historic game. The game they make documentaries about. At least one fan died at the game. Or from the weather at the game. That's how insanely cold it was.

Strange to see the phrase stayed in the CFL because of higher salaries. Shows how much things have changed. I started watching football in 1970 and can remember Johnny Rodgers and Joe Theismann choosing to start their careers in the CFL. Didn't happen too often, but it did happen.

As for how 1966 NBA players would fare against today's stars? Overall, I suspect not too well. Players like Jerry West? Oh, I think he'd do just fine, and then some. Never saw that video before. About 10 years ago, maybe more, NBATV did a show on this game. Had video from this same Celtic telecast, Sam Jones and Satch Sanders in studio, and ruined by having Jones and Sanders take up half the screen while the other half was the telecast. They were there to comment on the action. That was fine, but we didn't need to see them to hear their comments. The entire screen should have been the dame telecast.
I thoroughly enjoyed this year's NBA championship final, I live just on the edge of Toronto, so there was a lot of excitement here....however, looking at these two old teams, they look pretty good, most of those players I think could play today with the Raptors.
Of course, with the one guy gone, Kawai Leonard, makes a huge difference.

That 1966 Grey Cup game featured the two greatest CFL teams ever in terms of talent. Many of those players could have signed NFL contracts. The Ottawa fullback, Bo Scott, left for Cleveland in 1969, and spent five years as the starting fullback there, teaming with Leroy Kelly. Scott was named Cleveland Browns MVP for 1970. George Reed the Saskatchewan fullback, was wanted by Denver to team with Floyd Little, but he was offered more to stay in Saskatchewan.
Saskatchewan receiver Hugh Campbell, who scored the winning TD, would eventually become head coach of the Houston Oilers.
Ottawa halfback Vic Washington, who joined in 1968 and helped them win the 1968 Grey Cup, went to San Francisco and gained over 2,000 yards all-purpose in 1971, and was named an all-star.

After the NFL game grew in popularity, the CFL had trouble attracting the best U.S. college talent. The only good CFL team to play an international exhibition game was the Hamilton Tigercats, who beat the Buffalo Bills 38-21 in a 1961 contest....both team owners refused to play any more games like that, so no rematch.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
1966 saw the final NBA championship for Red Auerbach with the Boston Celtics, led by Bill Russell, in another 7 game series against the Lakers, led by Jerry West and Elgin Baylor.

Our local guys won the NBA championship this year in a great post-season drive, so this resonates....I wonder how these 1966 players would fare against Kawai Leonard and the Raptors?

https:www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo6ASW45tRg

Compare,

https:www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI7ZSgwPcHk
 
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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
I thoroughly enjoyed this year's NBA championship final, I live just on the edge of Toronto, so there was a lot of excitement here....however, looking at these two old teams, they look pretty good, most of those players I think could play today with the Raptors.
Of course, with the one guy gone, Kawai Leonard, makes a huge difference.

That 1966 Grey Cup game featured the two greatest CFL teams ever in terms of talent. Many of those players could have signed NFL contracts. The Ottawa fullback, Bo Scott, left for Cleveland in 1969, and spent five years as the starting fullback there, teaming with Leroy Kelly. Scott was named Cleveland Browns MVP for 1970. George Reed the Saskatchewan fullback, was wanted by Denver to team with Floyd Little, but he was offered more to stay in Saskatchewan.
Saskatchewan receiver Hugh Campbell, who scored the winning TD, would eventually become head coach of the Houston Oilers.
Ottawa halfback Vic Washington, who joined in 1968 and helped them win the 1968 Grey Cup, went to San Francisco and gained over 2,000 yards all-purpose in 1971, and was named an all-star.

After the NFL game grew in popularity, the CFL had trouble attracting the best U.S. college talent. The only good CFL team to play an international exhibition game was the Hamilton Tigercats, who beat the Buffalo Bills 38-21 in a 1961 contest....both team owners refused to play any more games like that, so no rematch.
In the 1968 Grey Cup game, the Ottawa team fielded the best backfield duo in the game, with Bo Scott at fullback (starting fullback with the Cleveland Browns

1969-73), and halfback Vic Washington (San Francisco starter 1971-74), both of them star players in their later NFL careers.

Washington scores a spectacular TD at 0:50, and Scott also had a good game. Receiver Margene Adkins also scores a TD, and later played for the Dallas Cowboys in the NFL.

The Calgary quarterback, Pete Liske, moved to Denver Broncos the following year, and led them to a fine win over the Jets, defending champions.

 
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Dan Lobb

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The 1966 Stanley Cup final saw Gordie Howe lead Detroit to the final for the last time, against a Montreal squad led by Beliveau.
Henri Richard scored the overtime winner by placing his glove over the loose puck and tossing it into the net......should have been called off, but it counted.

https:www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOZ6LpzngzY
 
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Dan Lobb

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The 1966 Stanley Cup final saw Gordie Howe lead Detroit to the final for the last time, against a Montreal squad led by Beliveau.
Henri Richard scored the overtime winner by placing his glove over the loose puck and tossing it into the net......should have bveen called off, but it counted.

https:www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOZ6LpzngzY
Paul Henderson was on the ice during that 6th game overtime winner by Henri Richard, when Richard grabbed the puck with his glove and threw it into the net to win the Stanley Cup....Henderson claims everything was clearly visible to the referees, and he still cannot believe that the goal was allowed to stand.
 
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Dan Lobb

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Here is early in the 1966/67 season, Oct.1966, with Montreal against the New York Rangers, both teams full of famous players.

Claude Provost had a big game here. Provost would have won about 6 to 8 Selke Trophy titles (best defensive forward) if that award had been available in those days.

https:www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTrKUwV0QRI
 
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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
I thoroughly enjoyed this year's NBA championship final, I live just on the edge of Toronto, so there was a lot of excitement here....however, looking at these two old teams, they look pretty good, most of those players I think could play today with the Raptors.
Of course, with the one guy gone, Kawai Leonard, makes a huge difference.

That 1966 Grey Cup game featured the two greatest CFL teams ever in terms of talent. Many of those players could have signed NFL contracts. The Ottawa fullback, Bo Scott, left for Cleveland in 1969, and spent five years as the starting fullback there, teaming with Leroy Kelly. Scott was named Cleveland Browns MVP for 1970. George Reed the Saskatchewan fullback, was wanted by Denver to team with Floyd Little, but he was offered more to stay in Saskatchewan.
Saskatchewan receiver Hugh Campbell, who scored the winning TD, would eventually become head coach of the Houston Oilers.
Ottawa halfback Vic Washington, who joined in 1968 and helped them win the 1968 Grey Cup, went to San Francisco and gained over 2,000 yards all-purpose in 1971, and was named an all-star.

After the NFL game grew in popularity, the CFL had trouble attracting the best U.S. college talent. The only good CFL team to play an international exhibition game was the Hamilton Tigercats, who beat the Buffalo Bills 38-21 in a 1961 contest....both team owners refused to play any more games like that, so no rematch.
Just 2 days ago, another documentary on that 1966 Saskatchewan team, probably the deepest talent in CFL history, good on full-screen.

 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
1966 was a legendary year in sports generally.

1966 NFL championship game, the most exciting ever,

(click on "Watch on Youtube")

https:www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPCDCoSD-Sg

1966 Grey Cup, the most talent ever in a CFL championship game,

https:www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YsR1rDdy8E
It is fascinating to compare these two great teams, the 1966 Green Bay Packers and 1966 Saskatchewan Roughriders.
Both teams represented small cities, Green Bay was 60,000 population that year, Regina was 130,000 population.

It is often said that the larger Canadian field requires more leg-speed to cover the area, both offensively and defensively, and that usually translates into smaller players for the CFL game.

However, the differences in weight are not great.

For these two teams, the offensive lines were practically the identical average weight.

1966 Green Bay offensive line....................................1966 Saskatchewn Roughriders offensive line


TE Marv Fleming 232 .........................................TE Jim Worden 230
LT Skoronski 249 ......................................... LT Reg Whitehouse 235
LG Thurston 247 .......................................... LG Jack Abendschen 245
C Curry 235 ..................................................C Ted Urness 225
RG Jerry Kramer 245 ..........................................RG Al Benecick 240
RT Forrest Gregg 249 ......................................... RT Clyde Brock 270

Average weight 243 ...........................................Average weight 242

On the defensive line, there was a more substantial difference, with Green Bay averaging 251 pounds, and Saskatchewan averaging 240 pounds.

The largest Saskatchewan defensive lineman was Ed McQuarters (#61) at 260 pounds, the same weight as the Cowboys' Bob Lilly and Jethro Pugh, or Green

Bay's Kostelnik. There was quite a bit of player movement between the two leagues.
 
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I was really rooting for Santana in that match. One of my favourite ever victories at Wimbledon, along with Goolagong and Mauresmo.

Interesting to hear the BBC commentary (Dan Maskell and Jack Kramer) in the background, and how much less they spoke than the two Spanish commentators!

40 games in 90 minutes, averaging 2mins 15 seconds a game. Continuous play.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
I was really rooting for Santana in that match. One of my favourite ever victories at Wimbledon, along with Goolagong and Mauresmo.

Interesting to hear the BBC commentary (Dan Maskell and Jack Kramer) in the background, and how much less they spoke than the two Spanish commentators!

40 games in 90 minutes, averaging 2mins 15 seconds a game. Continuous play.
Santana was Hoad's first major student, starting in 1960.

Santana famously stated, "If I am the father of Spanish tennis, then Lew Hoad is the grandfather."
 

DMP

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Santana was Hoad's first major student, starting in 1960.

Santana famously stated, "If I am the father of Spanish tennis, then Lew Hoad is the grandfather."
I like the fact that via Hoad Santana is a link between Nadal playing now, and the great pro days.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Here is early in the 1966/67 season, Oct.1966, with Montreal against the New York Rangers, both teams full of famous players.

Claude Provost had a big game here. Provost would have won about 6 to 8 Selke Trophy titles (best defensive forward) if that award had been available in those days.

https:www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTrKUwV0QRI
That 1966-67 season would be the 13th and last Stanley Cup win for Toronto Maple Leafs (they have been stuck on number 13 for over fifty years), and the celebration at Toronto City Hall would be the last public appearance together of this legendary group of players. Future Toronto world championship teams would be from sports other than ice hockey.


1993 would be the latest World Series win for the Toronto Blue Jays, the celebration taking place at the indoor stadium of the team, no City Hall celebration.


The 2019 Toronto Raptors NBA championship celebrations went back to Toronto City Hall, 2 million people showing up, and with the performer "Drake" giving a summing up of the event,

 
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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
This is what the public could see of that 1966 Wimbledon finals, in the movie theatres, and getting a ticket to the full show live was tough.

 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Not to nitpick, Dan, but it's the 1967 NFL title game that was really famous. The Ice Bowl. 1966 was also very good. Not talked about anything like 1967. More because of the weather than the game. It did have that great last drive, though.
Here is that Ice Bowl game, a virtual follow-up to the 1966 NFL Championship game.....low scoring due to the horrible weather, but exciting conclusion.
I watched it during the initial broadcast on colour television.

The Superbowl that year had the feel of an anti-climax, not a championship game.

Click on "Watch this video on Youtube".

 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
1966 was a climactic year in the arts as well as in sports.

The iconic Copland Third Symphony received its definitive recording from Bernstein and the New York Philharmonic. The opening fanfare of the finale has come to define a nation.


Also in New York City in 1966, the most graceful and beautiful Beethoven Emperor Concerto recording,


And in Berlin, the most refined recording of Die Walkure with Karajan and Vickers. Some fifty years later, my wife and I would sing for Vickers in a senior's home near here. Vickers and myself were both born in Prince Albert, Saskatchewan....small world. Our fathers worked together on a project in the Prince Albert school system.

 
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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
1966 saw the world F1 champion Jim Clark struggling to fine-tune his new vehicle, unsuccessfully, but in the U.S. Grand Prix he finally found the formula (excuse

the pun) to win a race. The most skilled driver ever.

 
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