socallefty
G.O.A.T.
I guess you are not including the 1HBHs of most rec players.
1HBH vs 2HBH
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ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
Lol more so the 1 hander looks beautiful…
I practiced it for a while and it’s nice vs flatter hitters. Those top spin balls you’re slicing
If any coach that teaches a 2 handed slice, I suppose he also teach a 2 handed overhead smash too.
2 handed serve too. LOL
Passingshot78
Rookie
Smecz
Professional
Yeah,I agree, the lack of 1HBH players will not make it easier for 1HBH players to compete with 2HBH....
Next, I teach beginners now, and I see that most of them grip the racket in the middle of the handle.!!
And now if I am a right-handed player, and I grip with my left hand in the middle and add the other hand to the grip, I have a ready hit...
I often see how they hit 1HBH with their hand on the half grip, and it does not work, then they take two hands and hit.!!(2HBH)
You can hold from the forehand side in the middle of the grip and also hit if you are a beginner, it is worse if you hold like that 1HBH...
Ok, the last thing is that the non-dominant hand helps us close the hit (2HBH), and with 1HBH it is harder to close the hit.!!
Simply put, 2HBH is closer to the forehand, it is easier to close the stroke, which makes it easier for beginners to learn.!!
FedForGOAT
Professional
This.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
1hbh is winning. Maybe for normal people.
Except for pros it's settled. No one handed player has come close to be number 1 since Federer. And they won't for next 10 years at least.
While 2 handers win every slam masters and atp finals and become number 1.
Birrittene96
New User
Still, musetti is almost top 10 with a pretty bad forehand and a mediocre serve. If he had let's say Alcaraz or Sinner or even Tsitsipas forehand he could win a slam. With a good serve even more than one. Therefore it's still very possible to win with a one hander. It's not the liability that some of you are describing IMO.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
I agree a slam is possible for 1 hander. Thiem did win 1. But it's definite weakness.
You are just trying to find silver lining. I would say this is not total picture. 1hbh CAN still win some titles but majority it's totally shifted to 2 hander.
Birrittene96
New User
Do you think that it's a weakness for Musetti? Do you think that he'd win more with a two hander?
Btw I agree with your point in general, there will always be less one handers in the future and maybe the shot will disappear one day. Hopefully not.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
For Musetti I think it's ok. He is still going to be crushed on hc with that backhand like early thiem was and dimitrov was. Bully the backhand I always say vs one handers.
But on clay and likely grass due to his slice defense, I think it's exceptional.
Rosstour
Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah he definitely did slice his way to that Wimbledon SF. He hit a couple against Fritz that made the crowd audibly gasp
Tennis Devolution
Professional
Wrong, nobody needs to "teach" the two-handed backhand slice for it to be completely biomechanically effective.
Tennis Devolution
Professional
You got NOTHING for me as always expected.
Tennis Devolution
Professional
WRONG again, the one-handed backhand is always completely biomechnically inferior to the two-handed backhand in the maximum potential for any type of spin because the rotational power of both hands is always more powerful than one.WRONG
OHB is better for spin
Your little completely argumentless chart is completely argumentlessly misleading because the majority of two-handed backhands on the professional tour utilize locked wrists on the two-handed backhand and thus do not fully utilize the maximium potential for any type of spin of the two-handed backhand which is always completely biomechanically superior to that of the completely inferior one-handed backhand.
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SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
because you’re too clueless to warrant a response.
Tennis Devolution
Professional
NOPE, yawn.
Tennis Devolution
Professional
Wrong yet again, everything that you have said is completely argumentless, clueless, and delusional because we are already seeing before our own eyes the one-handed backhand getting completely beaten down, exposed, and extinguished from the ranks of the professional tour.
Very soon, there will be no need at all to ever discuss about the completely inferior one-handed backhand because no one will ever see the completely inferior one-handed backhand on the professional tour ever again because every single little completely inferior one-handed backhand will have been completely competitively obliterated off of the professional tour for the rest of eternity.
Smecz
Professional
Yeah,Federer tried to reduce the gap in many ways with his 1HBH (Slices, playing forehand, serve and volley)
Today 2HBH play backhand and do not often try to exclude it from the game...
I will repeat this: closing the 1HBH stroke is quite difficult and far from the body compared to forehand or 2HBH, hence such an advantage over 1HBH.!!
Tennis Devolution
Professional
The FACT is that the most effective way to play tennis is to use BOTH of your hands with the two-handed backhand so I say this to everyone, instead of completely argumentlessly crying and whining, get off the couch and learn how to use BOTH of your hands.
SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
You write like a high school student trying to hit a word count on an essay. I don’t have to refute you, because you’re not worth the effort. Your arguments are based off such a woefully poor understanding of technique I might as well play chess with a pigeon.
Tennis Devolution
Professional
Nope, YAWN.
Dane_is_Finnish_OJ
Hall of Fame
Peter Lundgren did.
Smecz
Professional
Yes and no, because we had we had players like Santoro and Bartoli (1 slam) who didn't achieve any results...!!
You can't have both hands tied on one side and the other, it won't work...
On the one hand, you need more looseness and relaxation etc. (forehand), now hybrids of two forehands are being created, and I wonder if it will be possible to introduce it to the ATP and maybe even to the WTA?!...
Last thing:
I bet federer won more volley backhand than volley forehand, because it is easier to use.!!
And similarly it will be with Smash from the forehand side, he won more than smash backhand because it is more difficult to use.!!
The easier the stroke to use, the greater the chance that it will be used effectively in practice.!!!
junior74
Bionic Poster
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Tennis Devolution
Professional
Wrong, completely weak uncoordinated unmanly men with completely weak uncoordinated useless unmanly non-dominant arms use the completely inferior one-handed backhand.
Smecz
Professional
Great,just look at ATP players now they are not well built men like David Nalbadian, Roger Federer or Stanislaw Wawrinka etc...
Now we have Daniil Medvedev, Sebastian Korda, or Jannik Sinner they are not well built men who would not operate 1HBH well...
We'll see on 2HBH backhand Medvedev who hides his hands close to the neck whether it is possible with 1HBH, but of course it is not possible and even if it is possible it is quite unsafe and unnecessary...
Only Borg played half 2 HBH with a strange ending of the stroke, but let's not expect such skills from people.!!
Let's agree that 2HBH displaces 1HBH, because it is easier to close the stroke with two hands, you can hide your hands close to the neck (like in golf), with 1HBH it is a big problem to do so...
I love 1HBH, I play it, but facts are facts.!!!
Dane_is_Finnish_OJ
Hall of Fame
Borg played a two-hander. He let go with his left hand (which was the dominant hand) well after impact. Why do people again and again talk about him having some kind of hybrid? He let go because of the trajectory and the weight of the racket.
Look:
NonP
Legend
There's actually not much of a difference in terms of reach when you're properly set up for the shot. Of course when stretched out most players prefer the 1HBH precisely because it gives them more reach.
Same thing with the slice. Yes, most 2-handers switch to a 1H slice because your top hand can't reach far out and away from the body for that upward swing when it's glued to the racquet. But that's not the case for those rare 2-handers whose swing is closer to a forehand slice. With a more neutral stance your body opens up more, so you can't really replicate the 1-hander's natural across-the-body follow-through. That's why the likes of Connors, Santoro or (more recent for the clueless) Florian Mayer used a 2H slice instead.
Speaking of slice, you missed one big benefit of the 1HBH: disguise. And more helpful for the (BH) volley, too.
Which brings us to....
The kid is out of his depth for sure, but frankly this "discussion" is rather silly cuz no serious player adopts either BH for those highlight-ready shots. Yes, all things being equal 1HBH > 2HBH in top-end speed thanks to its bigger swing, but that's assuming you're perfectly positioned with the ball smack at your waist level. Again, not very relevant in the grand scheme of things.
In short the "better" stroke is whichever is more comfortable for you. That goes for everyone, regardless of level.
Honza
Professional
This guy beat Novak with it
I know. I hit with him.
Just because there is one guy, it doesnt mean it is a good solution.
He is one of a kind.
Passingshot78
Rookie
Example of completely weak and uncoordinated.: (not sure about unmanly)
Ps Great trolling!
junior74
Bionic Poster
Apologize for joking. Glad to hear you’ve hit with Santoro. I don’t consider the slice to be a ‘weakness’, like some do. It’s the ultimate shot to neutralize a rally, and when executed perfectly; the best approach shot.
Smecz
Professional
All right,But it's harder to throw one hand behind the neck, easier with two!!(Like Daniil Medvedev)
Service Ace
Hall of Fame
It’s not an opinion that the 1HB is more powerful, it’s simple physics. Leverage and acceleration = power and you can get more of both with 1 hand than two. Salty and simple minded 2handers want you to believe otherwise because it’s an easier shot to play with but for the same reason people don’t use 2handed forehands and 2handed serves, playing safe has a ceiling.
Smecz
Professional
Perfect,with 2HBH there is lack of the inertia,wheareas with 1HBH if you swing well it flies like from catapult.!!
1HBH is less stable,harder to close,harder for moon balls,top spin balls,and difficult to learn...
if not for that it would still be competitive because it is more enjoyable and cooler to play...
Honza
Professional
I play the OHBH my whole life, but that must be the worst logic I have ever read here.
I actually wonder whether it's more similar to the one-handed vs. two-handed finish in baseball
Separately, in tennis I think 1hbh has higher peak on an ideal ball but worse on most realistic balls, especially high ones
Service Ace
Hall of Fame
This is the definition of a false equivalency. Baseball bats are only swung two handed because they are much much heavier than tennis racquets. Hockey sticks are only wielded two handed because, due to their length, the swing weight is much much heavier than tennis racquets.
Have you ever seen a Badminton player play a 2HBH... And guess what... In Badminton you almost constantly have to hit above the shoulder.
If it comes about racquet head speed, 1HBH is the way. Period.
Hockey bat is way too long and needs an high torque. Baseball bat is short but the mass is also way higher and thus also needs high torque. Both are soo heavy / high torque that a single human wrist is barely able to move these bats without being able to transfer power.
(Or a squash player... Or a... pickleball, paddle, ping pong...)
DariaGT
Professional
No not for Fed as he was a GOAT of improvisation and stroke mechanics and if he did
have a DHBH could easily go full Santoro on that side even Agassi or Davydenko.
Sure it is speculation its a what if.....but he could do it, no questioning his abilities.
DHBH players like Connors also utilized a lethal slice and side spin and he was robotic.
Every1 knows Fed had the most lethal offensive slice just not defensive slice that
would go to Nadal, Murray, Nalbandian and Hewitt as he was all about clinical offense.
I imagine Fed with a double BH would look like hybrid between Nalbandian, NIshikori and Dolgopolov
Throughout the careers of players Fed only perfected it in the Neo era to work against Nadal.
That was a short time and at the end of his career.
DariaGT
Professional
Borg form could not counter Nadal FH with those chicken wings
Connors BH any era is perfect
SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
Oh yeah as far as choosing which shot is better for a specific player, individual preference obviously plays a role. I didn’t take that to be the premise of the thread though, hence my line of thought in this thread.
onehandbh
G.O.A.T.
I would agree with you if tennis was played with a baseball bat and the balls were baseballs and distance was one of the goals.
A question for you. Is the 2handed forehand superior to the one-handed forehand in any way (for tennis)?
DariaGT
Professional
No not even close to Borg BH, same brand stick, hair and manner but a proper side-on uni-turn using right shoulder.
while Borg virtually had no uni-turn but a straight down right elbow to the ground.
Dane_is_Finnish_OJ
Hall of Fame
Medvedev sure ain't no Björn Borg.
Smecz
Professional
All right, take the racket in one hand and swing like for 1HBH, and try to hide the racket close to your neck with one hand.
Not very pleasant, right?!...
Dane_is_Finnish_OJ
Hall of Fame
I don’t understand what you’re trying to prove here. Let’s just stop.
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